Quick backstory: Been playing MTG since the transition between Legends and Dark. Haven't played consistently in about 15 years. I am getting together with some out-of-town friends that used to play up through Urza's block later on this month. We had played a couple times recently with cards we already had and with some randoms that we had bought to play with the last couple times we got together. I would like some assistance with this, but keep in mind that I am only using cards that I still have or cards that are not too expensive or difficult to acquire.
I have a couple of old decks that I had updated about 4 years ago and have been working through those
Vintage: SuiBlack | whOSE BWU
Legacy: BeatsUW
EDH: Gwendolyn Di Corsi
Casual: ElephantWG | ControlBurnUR | PoisonUG
In Development: All Hallow's EveRB
SuiBlack is playable as are all the Casual decks. The others need too much power that I sold off to pay for my wedding and my wife would kill me if I invested in.
So I also decided I would make something based on Underworld Dreams. I used to play it back in 94 and thought it would be fun to bring back. There will be 3 of us playing so I am guessing we will be playing some matches where it is 3 in a game at a time.
There are new versions of Underworld Dreams, like Spiteful Visions. You could have more than 4 Dreams effects in the deck.
Cards that only make the opponents draw (like Master of the Feast and Wheel and Deal) seem really risky. If you don't have Dreams out, both other players are drawing more cards than you and you are falling behind. Even if you have Dreams out, they might gladly take a few damage each to both bury you in card advantage and win the game. Why not at least play symmetrical draw (e.g. Temple Bell) or symmetrical wheel effects (e.g. more Dark Deals, Day's Undoing, Time Spiral) so that you get to draw too?
Hypnotic Specter is pretty bad these days, even in 1-on-1, but especially in multiplayer. It's just slow and fragile. Creatures have gotten better.
Brainstorm is amazing and worth playing in any deck with fetchlands.
Your points are noted on some of those changes. I like the idea of Spiteful Visions but I am struggling at what I could remove to make it work. I could replace the Liliana's Caress but I like the idea of getting to deal damage when they both draw and discard with the other cards in play.
I agree that additional Dark Deals would be beneficial. Not sure what 2 cards to remove. Possibly the Wheel and Deals but I can always target 0 opponents to draw a card if necessary. I've pulled them for now.
I've got the Time Spiral sitting in the sideboard, so I imagine it will get play.
I'm still running a little long in cards and need to cut 2 but also thinking that I should add at least one more Perplex.
Also trying to think about what I may end up facing. One opponent will likely be running a RG build with larger creatures like Shivan Dragon. He also will have some deck that runs both wolves and werewolves. My other opponent will probably run some aggro/control with either UR or BW. Or they could both surprise me and run something they never have in the past.
I have a couple of old decks that I had updated about 4 years ago and have been working through those
Vintage: SuiBlack | whOSE BWU
Legacy: BeatsUW
EDH: Gwendolyn Di Corsi
Casual: ElephantWG | ControlBurnUR | PoisonUG
In Development: All Hallow's EveRB
SuiBlack is playable as are all the Casual decks. The others need too much power that I sold off to pay for my wedding and my wife would kill me if I invested in.
So I also decided I would make something based on Underworld Dreams. I used to play it back in 94 and thought it would be fun to bring back. There will be 3 of us playing so I am guessing we will be playing some matches where it is 3 in a game at a time.
Here is my initial thought:
1x Strip Mine
1x Reliquary Tower
4x Polluted Delta
4x Drowned Catacomb
4x Watery Grave
3x Island
3x Swamp
Artifacts (3)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Sol Ring
1x Memory Jar
Creatures (9)
4x Hypnotic Specter
1x Seizan, Perverter of Truth
2x Master of the Feast
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Dark Ritual
2x Wheel and Deal
4x Miscalculation
1x Perplex
Sorcery (8)
4x Hymn to Tourach
1x Demonic Tutor
2x Dark Deal
1x Windfall
Enchantments (11)
4x Underworld Dreams
4x Liliana's Caress
1x Waste Not
2x Forced Fruition
4x Mana Leak
4x Duress
1x Time Spiral
2x Master of the Feast
2x Whispering Madness
1x Teferi's Puzzle Box
1x Font of Mythos
Possible other additions:
Thanks in advance for the help!
- Matt
Cards that only make the opponents draw (like Master of the Feast and Wheel and Deal) seem really risky. If you don't have Dreams out, both other players are drawing more cards than you and you are falling behind. Even if you have Dreams out, they might gladly take a few damage each to both bury you in card advantage and win the game. Why not at least play symmetrical draw (e.g. Temple Bell) or symmetrical wheel effects (e.g. more Dark Deals, Day's Undoing, Time Spiral) so that you get to draw too?
Hypnotic Specter is pretty bad these days, even in 1-on-1, but especially in multiplayer. It's just slow and fragile. Creatures have gotten better.
Brainstorm is amazing and worth playing in any deck with fetchlands.
I agree that additional Dark Deals would be beneficial. Not sure what 2 cards to remove. Possibly the Wheel and Deals but I can always target 0 opponents to draw a card if necessary. I've pulled them for now.
I've got the Time Spiral sitting in the sideboard, so I imagine it will get play.
I'm still running a little long in cards and need to cut 2 but also thinking that I should add at least one more Perplex.
Also trying to think about what I may end up facing. One opponent will likely be running a RG build with larger creatures like Shivan Dragon. He also will have some deck that runs both wolves and werewolves. My other opponent will probably run some aggro/control with either UR or BW. Or they could both surprise me and run something they never have in the past.
1x Strip Mine
1x Reliquary Tower
4x Polluted Delta
4x Drowned Catacomb
4x Watery Grave
3x Island
3x Swamp
Artifacts (3)
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Sol Ring
1x Memory Jar
Creatures (7)
4x Hypnotic Specter
1x Seizan, Perverter of Truth
2x Master of the Feast
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Vampiric Tutor
4x Dark Ritual
4x Miscalculation
1x Perplex
Sorcery (10)
4x Hymn to Tourach
1x Demonic Tutor
4x Dark Deal
1x Windfall
Enchantments (11)
4x Underworld Dreams
4x Liliana's Caress
1x Waste Not
2x Forced Fruition
4x Mana Leak
4x Duress
1x Time Spiral
2x Master of the Feast
2x Whispering Madness
1x Teferi's Puzzle Box
1x Font of Mythos
Possible other additions:
- Matt
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/casual-multiplayer-formats/783068-deck-underworld-dreams