I love the fact that Cut / Ribbons works with Pyromancer's Goggles on both halves, and I also thought it was cool that Primal Amulet works with a lot of the same spells. The following is my initial attempt to work out something cool involving those cards.
My thoughts are that Gamble can find Cut at any point, and that Mizzix's Mastery can do some pretty cool stuff with all the looting.
I don't want to use Burning Wish, but really anything else is on the table. I just want the deck to do its cool thing, and live until that happens.
Yeah there's a lot of directions that you could take this deck. For example, an easy way to win games with tutors + looters + Mizzix's Mastery is with a big spell to recur. I'm not talking about flashing back your entire graveyard, I'm talking about recurring a card like Army of the Damned or Enter the Infinite on turn 4. The other card that I really like in this style of deck is Mana Geyser because it lets you do broken things at a significantly faster clip. Sometimes you just jam one of those on turn 5, cast a Manamorphose and kill the table with Cut // Ribbons right then and there. Mana Geyser is also bonkers with Mizzix's Mastery since it means that you can easily cast the kicked mode on turn 5, Gamble for Cut // Ribbons and flash Mana Geyser back for the kill.
Another card to consider with all of that looting/Gambles is Heaven // Earth. The idea here is that you don't care about the first-half since your plan is to discard it regardless. As such it's never actually card disadvantage to bin it with Gamble/Looting/Voice or whatever. I realize that Earth is a "meh" card compared to Fiery Confluence but this is about synergies as opposed to individual strength. Keep it in mind if nothing else.
OOC have you ever fooled around with Trash for Treasure? All of those Artifact lands and looters have me interested. Turn 3 Goggles seems sweet. Trash is also "additional cost" meaning that it works well with doubling effects. That's probably too fancy though, unless you added Ruby Medallions or something. Although, I probably would cut 4x land for 4x Ruby Medallion in this deck. Medallions are so busted in monocolored builds that it's not even funny. Granted, it's possible that you'd rather have a card like Fellwar Stone instead to ramp out a turn 4 Amulet. Tough to say really.
Ribbons is a black spell, spending mana from Pyromancer's Goggles on it will not copy th spell. The card is red/black in any zone other than the Stack, but on the Stack it's either Cut or Ribbons, red or black, only the half you are casting.
Ribbons is a black spell, spending mana from Pyromancer's Goggles on it will not copy th spell. The card is red/black in any zone other than the Stack, but on the Stack it's either Cut or Ribbons, red or black, only the half you are casting.
It's a Red Sorcery when you cast it, but it's not a Red Sorcery on the stack. Still works, I think.
Medallions do seem sweet here, as does Trash for Treasure. The only problem with that card is that it makes me want to become a Daretti style deck instead...
What are those lands called that you can pay to bring back from the yard? Those seem good here.
I think more Mizzix / bigger mana is a good way to go - updated the op with ideas.
Ribbons is a black spell, spending mana from Pyromancer's Goggles on it will not copy th spell. The card is red/black in any zone other than the Stack, but on the Stack it's either Cut or Ribbons, red or black, only the half you are casting.
It's a Red Sorcery when you cast it, but it's not a Red Sorcery on the stack. Still works, I think.
Nope. When you put it on the stack as the first step of casting the spell, it becomes a spell with just the characteristics of the chosen side. It goes from being a red/black card in the graveyard to being a black spell on the stack. By the time you get to pay for the spell, it is long since black only and the delayed trigger from spending the red mana of the Goggles doesn't go off. You are spending the mana on a black spell, not on a red spell.
Rezzahan is correct. It even says it in the card rulings.
"4/18/2017: All split cards have two card faces on a single card, and you put a split card onto the stack with only the half you're casting. The characteristics of the half of the card you didn't cast are ignored while the spell is on the stack. For example, if an effect prevents you from casting green spells, you can cast Destined of Destined // Lead, but not Lead."
Rezzahan is correct. It even says it in the card rulings.
"4/18/2017: All split cards have two card faces on a single card, and you put a split card onto the stack with only the half you're casting. The characteristics of the half of the card you didn't cast are ignored while the spell is on the stack. For example, if an effect prevents you from casting green spells, you can cast Destined of Destined // Lead, but not Lead."
Oof, bummer. I've seen the rulings but I don't think that they're as clear as everyone is making them sound. I get that Ribbons is a Black Sorcery while it's on the stack but it's also a Red Sorcery while it's in your Graveyard. The way that I've always understood things is that you pay for all costs of the spell in order to put it on the stack. After all, you can't just put Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur on the stack and decide not to (or that you can't) pay for his cost. You also can't put Counterspell on the stack in response to a spell, see how your opponent reacts, and then decide not to pay for it or that you can't pay for it. This is why I've always assumed that it was still a Red Sorcery when it was cast, because the notion that you put the spell on the stack and then decide how to pay for it seems... odd. I get that I'm mistaken, I'm not refuting the rulings, I'm just saying that it seemed like it should work. I never did read that Lead example though and I probably should have. Damn shame.
Sucks that the combo doesn't work as intended. I have a red cloudpost deck that does some similar stuff. Maybe it can help salvage some of your initial idea?
Well, not all is lost, you can make the combo work still, though it requires an additional card: Painter's Servant, set to red. With the Servant on the field, all spells are red, and your instants and sorceries can be copied by the Goggles, so long as you can pay red mana for them. This also opens up all kinds of other instants and sorceries for the deck.
Well, not all is lost, you can make the combo work still, though it requires an additional card: Painter's Servant, set to red. With the Servant on the field, all spells are red, and your instants and sorceries can be copied by the Goggles, so long as you can pay red mana for them. This also opens up all kinds of other instants and sorceries for the deck.
Eh, at that point you may as well just Grindstone the table to death. Seems silly to add a third combo piece when there's so few ways to abuse it outside of naming Blue for Pyroblast et al. but at that point you're playing an entirely different deck altogether. Shame that it doesn't actually double the damned thing : /.
My thoughts are that Gamble can find Cut at any point, and that Mizzix's Mastery can do some pretty cool stuff with all the looting.
I don't want to use Burning Wish, but really anything else is on the table. I just want the deck to do its cool thing, and live until that happens.
4 Primal Amulet
4 Ruby Medallion
3 Pyromancer's Goggles
4 Gamble
4 Tormenting Voice
4 Faithless Looting
4 Cut / Ribbons
3 Mizzix's Mastery
3 Manamorphose
2 Fiery Confluence
2 Blasphemous Act
2 Heaven / Earth
2 Army of the Damned
2 Vault of Whispers
2 Inventor's Fair
4 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
5 Mountain
-4 Canyon Slough
+4 Ruby Medallion
-2 Blasphemous Act
+2 Heaven / Earth
+2 Army of the Damned
+1 Mizzix's Mastery
-2 Fiery Confluence
-1 Manamorphose
Having trouble finding a place for Mana Geyser. Having never played with it, I don't really know what it goes in for.
Another card to consider with all of that looting/Gambles is Heaven // Earth. The idea here is that you don't care about the first-half since your plan is to discard it regardless. As such it's never actually card disadvantage to bin it with Gamble/Looting/Voice or whatever. I realize that Earth is a "meh" card compared to Fiery Confluence but this is about synergies as opposed to individual strength. Keep it in mind if nothing else.
OOC have you ever fooled around with Trash for Treasure? All of those Artifact lands and looters have me interested. Turn 3 Goggles seems sweet. Trash is also "additional cost" meaning that it works well with doubling effects. That's probably too fancy though, unless you added Ruby Medallions or something. Although, I probably would cut 4x land for 4x Ruby Medallion in this deck. Medallions are so busted in monocolored builds that it's not even funny. Granted, it's possible that you'd rather have a card like Fellwar Stone instead to ramp out a turn 4 Amulet. Tough to say really.
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It's a Red Sorcery when you cast it, but it's not a Red Sorcery on the stack. Still works, I think.
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What are those lands called that you can pay to bring back from the yard? Those seem good here.
I think more Mizzix / bigger mana is a good way to go - updated the op with ideas.
Nope. When you put it on the stack as the first step of casting the spell, it becomes a spell with just the characteristics of the chosen side. It goes from being a red/black card in the graveyard to being a black spell on the stack. By the time you get to pay for the spell, it is long since black only and the delayed trigger from spending the red mana of the Goggles doesn't go off. You are spending the mana on a black spell, not on a red spell.
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"Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science."
(Girl Genius - Fairy Tale Theater Break - Cinderella, end of volume 8)
"4/18/2017: All split cards have two card faces on a single card, and you put a split card onto the stack with only the half you're casting. The characteristics of the half of the card you didn't cast are ignored while the spell is on the stack. For example, if an effect prevents you from casting green spells, you can cast Destined of Destined // Lead, but not Lead."
Oof, bummer. I've seen the rulings but I don't think that they're as clear as everyone is making them sound. I get that Ribbons is a Black Sorcery while it's on the stack but it's also a Red Sorcery while it's in your Graveyard. The way that I've always understood things is that you pay for all costs of the spell in order to put it on the stack. After all, you can't just put Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur on the stack and decide not to (or that you can't) pay for his cost. You also can't put Counterspell on the stack in response to a spell, see how your opponent reacts, and then decide not to pay for it or that you can't pay for it. This is why I've always assumed that it was still a Red Sorcery when it was cast, because the notion that you put the spell on the stack and then decide how to pay for it seems... odd. I get that I'm mistaken, I'm not refuting the rulings, I'm just saying that it seemed like it should work. I never did read that Lead example though and I probably should have. Damn shame.
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3 Pyromancer's Goggles
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I wish I bought more. I was a sucker and only bought 6.
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Eh, at that point you may as well just Grindstone the table to death. Seems silly to add a third combo piece when there's so few ways to abuse it outside of naming Blue for Pyroblast et al. but at that point you're playing an entirely different deck altogether. Shame that it doesn't actually double the damned thing : /.
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That actually helps quite a bit conceptually.
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Edit: Nevermind, sad day.