What are some of the best banned or restricted green cards you've heard of? I'm thinking about constructing a very powerful mono-green deck and I haven't run across any search engines that can filter in only banned and restricted cards. (If you're curious about why, let's just say I have a few black/blue control decks to crush )
Fastbond + Gush can do stupid thing with Quirion Dryad. You can draw half of your deck and power out some cheap, powerful creatures that can all-but seal the game.
Regrowth is restricted for no real reason. The fact that it's a Green card basically means that it's impossible for it to be broken in Vintage. As strong as recurring Time Walk and Ancestral Recall is, it's not worth adding more Green cards to your decks for that sort of thing. I don't think anything would change were it to become unrestricted.
Regrowth is restricted for no real reason. The fact that it's a Green card basically means that it's impossible for it to be broken in Vintage. As strong as recurring Time Walk and Ancestral Recall is, it's not worth adding more Green cards to your decks for that sort of thing. I don't think anything would change were it to become unrestricted.
Heavy sigh.
I suppose thats true enough, but why not Noxious Revival, or the others like it?
Yes I understand that they don't put the card directly into your hand, but your still getting 2 turns for 3 mana.
I suppose thats true enough, but why not Noxious Revival, or the others like it?
Yes I understand that they don't put the card directly into your hand, but your still getting 2 turns for 3 mana.
Or hell recollect for that matter?
Noxious Revival is card disadvantage which makes it much harder to break. You may be taking an extra turn or drawing 3 cards, but you're giving up a draw step to do that. Recollect is just too much mana. Time Warp is fair because it costs 5 mana, and Time Walk is broken because it costs 2 mana. Even if Recollect is only 1 more than Regrowth, that extra mana means a world of difference. Well, not really, since I can't even think of a deck that still uses Regrowth, but you get the idea. I think Regrowth is basically there because Wizards doesn't care enough about Vintage to try and tweak it, and also because no one actually cares enough to raise their voice about having it removed. It would be like restricting Carnival of Souls. It doesn't actually matter since the card is unusable. It might have been too good in "The Deck" back in '07 or something, but yeah, the card is basically unusable at this point in time.
Regrowth is restricted because it doesn't have any... restrictions.
Its not limited to permanant, enchantment, creature etc etc like Nature's Spiral. It also goes directly to your hand, whereas cards like Reclaim put the card on top of your library.
It is thee best 2 mana reclaimer.
It was also restricted long ago, when the general power curve of cards was lower. Recollect is basically a re-do of Regrowth with a higher casting cost (not to be captain obvious)
"To the hand" makes a huge difference in say, an oath deck since your essentially milling your library. Furthermore, your opponent can't make you reshuffle with some odd ability to flush the card.
Regrowth is restricted because it doesn't have any... restrictions.
Its not limited to permanant, enchantment, creature etc etc. It also goes directly to your hand, whereas some of others without restriction put the card on top of your library.
It is thee best 2 mana reclaimer.
That doesn't make it broken. Look at Swords to Plowshares, the best removal spell ever printed by an insane margin. It exiles anything for 1 mana. Does that make it broken? Is the best card at doing "X" inherently unfair? I don't think so. Regrowth may be the best recursion spell, but that doesn't make it unfair.
Back when it became restricted, it was a different era of magic as well. It was one of thee only reclaimers, period. And yes, if you had 4 of them you could keep picking up your time walk and playing it again. Or your mind twist. Or your berserk. Or your chaos orb. w/e. Think of it as a snapcaster mage, without flash.
Nowadays, it doesn't matter as much, because every other card printed is some stupidly powerful card. Rather than take it off the restricted list, they remade it and it costs 3 mana instead of 2.
You could speculate that STP didn't become banned or restricted because it was whites only spot removal spell for a long, long time and doing so would ultimately be, unfair.
It doesn't actually matter since the card is unusable. It might have been too good in "The Deck" back in '07 or something, but yeah, the card is basically unusable at this point in time.
This is what I was getting at in my first post.
But I guess the "no one cares to speck up" thing holds weight enough.
Survival of the Fittest + Squee, Goblin Nabob can get out of hand.
Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest is always fun.
Forbidden Orchard + Oath of Druids + Emrakul, the Aeons Torn works well.
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The rest are Ante cards, which aren't banned because of their power level, but simply because they have Ante and Gambling is bad.
Of the lot, I personally think Oath of Druids and Hermit Druid are the best.
Hermit Druid in dredge is off the chain.
Oath of Druids in control is brutally unfair.
Errrr, Regrowth is restricted, it's good, but I don't necessarily understand why it's restricted.....
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Hermit Druid outright wins the game if he activates in decks no basic lands. Revive a bunch of Narcomoebas then Dread Return a Necrotic Ooze with a Kikki-Jikki, Mirror Breaker and Devoted Druid in the graveyard. Tap the Ooze and use Kikki's ability to put a token into play, then use the Druid's ability to untap them. Infinite hasted beaters.
Regrowth is restricted for no real reason. The fact that it's a Green card basically means that it's impossible for it to be broken in Vintage. As strong as recurring Time Walk and Ancestral Recall is, it's not worth adding more Green cards to your decks for that sort of thing. I don't think anything would change were it to become unrestricted.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Heavy sigh.
I suppose thats true enough, but why not Noxious Revival, or the others like it?
Yes I understand that they don't put the card directly into your hand, but your still getting 2 turns for 3 mana.
Or hell recollect for that matter?
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Noxious Revival is card disadvantage which makes it much harder to break. You may be taking an extra turn or drawing 3 cards, but you're giving up a draw step to do that. Recollect is just too much mana. Time Warp is fair because it costs 5 mana, and Time Walk is broken because it costs 2 mana. Even if Recollect is only 1 more than Regrowth, that extra mana means a world of difference. Well, not really, since I can't even think of a deck that still uses Regrowth, but you get the idea. I think Regrowth is basically there because Wizards doesn't care enough about Vintage to try and tweak it, and also because no one actually cares enough to raise their voice about having it removed. It would be like restricting Carnival of Souls. It doesn't actually matter since the card is unusable. It might have been too good in "The Deck" back in '07 or something, but yeah, the card is basically unusable at this point in time.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Its not limited to permanant, enchantment, creature etc etc like Nature's Spiral. It also goes directly to your hand, whereas cards like Reclaim put the card on top of your library.
It is thee best 2 mana reclaimer.
It was also restricted long ago, when the general power curve of cards was lower. Recollect is basically a re-do of Regrowth with a higher casting cost (not to be captain obvious)
"To the hand" makes a huge difference in say, an oath deck since your essentially milling your library. Furthermore, your opponent can't make you reshuffle with some odd ability to flush the card.
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That doesn't make it broken. Look at Swords to Plowshares, the best removal spell ever printed by an insane margin. It exiles anything for 1 mana. Does that make it broken? Is the best card at doing "X" inherently unfair? I don't think so. Regrowth may be the best recursion spell, but that doesn't make it unfair.
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Green - Blue - Red - White - Gold
Back when it became restricted, it was a different era of magic as well. It was one of thee only reclaimers, period. And yes, if you had 4 of them you could keep picking up your time walk and playing it again. Or your mind twist. Or your berserk. Or your chaos orb. w/e. Think of it as a snapcaster mage, without flash.
Nowadays, it doesn't matter as much, because every other card printed is some stupidly powerful card. Rather than take it off the restricted list, they remade it and it costs 3 mana instead of 2.
You could speculate that STP didn't become banned or restricted because it was whites only spot removal spell for a long, long time and doing so would ultimately be, unfair.
Just trying to offer insight, nothing more.
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This is what I was getting at in my first post.
But I guess the "no one cares to speck up" thing holds weight enough.
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