Out of the Commander 2016 precons, Breya is my favorite. I've had fun with it, I like how it plays out of the box, and I have a thing for artifact shenanigans. But when you start making changes to it, it's very easy to start including one EDH staple after another until it barely resembles the original product. Also, I listen to a lot of MTG podcasts. And a lot of people are saying how great these Commander 2016 products are and how they can be relatively competitive with only a few changes. Well, I decided to put a number on it.
The Challenge: If you could make exactly 10 changes to the Invent Superiority deck -- if money were not an issue -- which changes do you think would create the most competitive version of the deck? With infinite combos? Without?
Most of those I think are obvious inclusions. Thoughts on a few others:
Marionette Master - This is a card I've already played around with in the deck. From what I've played, it has a very high impact for a single inclusion in a deck that already has multiple built in +power buffs and sac outlets. It becomes a win condition on its own.
Rite of Replication - A powerful EDH card on its own, but also very funny to combo with Hellkite Tyrant as an alternate win condition. And I think that's what I like most about it. It builds upon a pre-existing theme in the deck instead of trying to replace it.
Salvaging Station & Spell Bombs - Probably taking up too many slots on the list, but the deck already includes Trinket Mage and a respectable list of targets.
Including duels/fetchs are probably out of the question. Almost strictly better cards in most cases, but have such a low impact. I'm not the biggest fan of the bounce lands. Or should land have a separate category? 10 nonland and 10 land?
OK, I'd pack in some infinite combos for sure. It's is unlikely that you are going to be killing players by attacking with creatures with no evasion, so taking out most of the tap sideways to attack cards.
Lets name all the infinite combos in the deck, so you know what you're aiming for:
Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry = as many 1/1 Thopters for each 1 coloress mana you spend. Sacrifice the Sword of the Meek to the Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek will return to play because of the 1/1 produced.
Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry + (Ashnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks) = infinite 1/1 Thopters and infinite coloress mana. You can go infinite by sacrificing the artifact creatures to get 2 colorless and this allows you to just produce infinite 1/1 and infinite colorless mana. With Breya, Etherium Shaper you can use her to kill everybody with the 3 damage ability.
Time Sieve + Thopter Assembly = infinite turns.
Time Sieve + (Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry) with 5 mana = infinite turns
Breya, Etherium Shaper + Nim Deathmantle + (Ashnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks) = infinite colorless mana and infinite 1/1 artifact creatures. Sacrifice your 1/1's for 4 mana, then sacrifice Breya for another 2 mana, and use Nim Deathmantle to return her to play. When she comes back into play she'll create another couple of 1/1, and you can just keep doing it. Use Breya to kill everybody with the 3 damage ability.
Myr Battlesphere + Nim Deathmantle + (Ashnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks) = infinite colorless mana and infinite 1/1 artifact creatures. This is the same as above.
Myr Battlesphere + Master Transmuter + Clock of Omens + Gilded Lotus = infinite mana
The Challenge: If you could make exactly 10 changes to the Invent Superiority deck -- if money were not an issue -- which changes do you think would create the most competitive version of the deck? With infinite combos? Without?
1 Breya, Etherium Shaper
Planeswalker (1)
1 Daretti, Scrap Savant
Creature (30)
1 Myr Retriever
1 Chief Engineer
1 Etherium Sculptor
1 Vedalken Engineer
1 Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer
1 Baleful Strix
1 Akiri, Line-Slinger
1 Armory Automaton
1 Shimmer Myr
1 Master of Etherium
1 Trinket Mage
1 Magus of the Will
1 Hanna, Ship's Navigator
1 Silas Renn, Seeker Adept
1 Sydri, Galvanic Genius
1 Etched Oracle
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sanctum Gargoyle
1 Faerie Artisans
1 Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder
1 Ethersworn Adjudicator
1 Sphinx Summoner
1 Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
1 Soul of New Phyrexia
1 Godo, Bandit Warlord
1 Hellkite Tyrant
1 Sharuum the Hegemon
1 Myr Battlesphere
1 Hellkite Igniter
1 Filigree Angel
1 Whipflare
1 Parting Thoughts
1 Trash for Treasure
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Migratory Route
1 Open the Vaults
1 Phyrexian Rebirth
1 Grave Upheaval
1 Coastal Breach
Instant (4)
1 Grip of Phyresis
1 Ancient Excavation
1 Read the Runes
1 Trial // Error
Artifact (19)
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Dispeller's Capsule
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Cranial Plating
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Ichor Wellspring
1 Mycosynth Wellspring
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Thopter Foundry
1 Commander's Sphere
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Bonehoard
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Trading Post
1 Blinkmoth Urn
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Curse of Vengeance
Land (35)
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Ash Barrens
1 Azorius Chancery
1 Boros Garrison
1 Buried Ruin
1 Command Tower
1 Crumbling Necropolis
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Mystic Monastery
1 Nomad Outpost
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Rupture Spire
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Transguild Promenade
5 Plains
5 Island
4 Swamp
4 Mountain
Remember there are 2 parts to this challenge: Which 10 cards would you put in and which cards would take out?
Cards on my maybe list:
And combo pieces:
Most of those I think are obvious inclusions. Thoughts on a few others:
Including duels/fetchs are probably out of the question. Almost strictly better cards in most cases, but have such a low impact. I'm not the biggest fan of the bounce lands. Or should land have a separate category? 10 nonland and 10 land?
Thread | Draft
1 Breya, Etherium Shaper
Planeswalker (1)
1 Daretti, Scrap Savant
Creature (30)
1 Goblin Welder
1 Arcbound Ravager
1 Myr Retriever
1 Chief Engineer
1 Etherium Sculptor
1 Vedalken Engineer
1 Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer
1 Baleful Strix
1 Akiri, Line-Slinger
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Master of Etherium
1 Trinket Mage
1 Magus of the Will
1 Silas Renn, Seeker Adept
1 Sydri, Galvanic Genius
1 Etched Oracle
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Sanctum Gargoyle
1 Faerie Artisans
1 Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder
1 Ethersworn Adjudicator
1 Sphinx Summoner
1 Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
1 Marionette Master
1 Soul of New Phyrexia
1 Hellkite Tyrant
1 Sharuum the Hegemon
1 Myr Battlesphere
1 Filigree Angel
1 Hangarback Walker
1 Whipflare
1 Parting Thoughts
1 Trash for Treasure
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Beacon of Unrest
1 Migratory Route
1 Open the Vaults
1 Phyrexian Rebirth
1 Grave Upheaval
Instant (4)
1 Mana Drain
1 Ancient Excavation
1 Read the Runes
1 Trial // Error
Artifact (20)
1 Everflowing Chalice
1 Mana Crypt
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Dispeller's Capsule
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Cranial Plating
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Ichor Wellspring
1 Mycosynth Wellspring
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Thopter Foundry
1 Commander's Sphere
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Bonehoard
1 Nevinyrral's Disk
1 Memory Jar
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Ash Barrens
1 Azorius Chancery
1 Boros Garrison
1 Buried Ruin
1 Command Tower
1 Crumbling Necropolis
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Mystic Monastery
1 Nomad Outpost
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Rupture Spire
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Transguild Promenade
5 Plains
5 Island
4 Swamp
4 Mountain
Curse of Vengeance OUT --> Mana Drain IN
Hanna, Ship's Navagator OUT --> Goblin Welder IN
Godo, Bandit Warlord OUT --> Stoneforge Mystic IN
Blinkmoth Urn OUT --> Mana Crypt IN
Shimmer Myr OUT --> Arcbound Ravager IN
Armory Automaton OUT --> Hangarback Walker IN
Grip of Phyresis OUT --> Memory Jar IN
Coastal Breach OUT --> Wheel of Fortune IN
Trading Post OUT --> Akroma's Memorial IN
Hellkite Igniter OUT --> Marionette Master IN
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Thread | Draft
Out
Curse of Vengeance
Hellkite Igniter
Blinkmoth Urn
Everflowing Chalice
Whipflare
Grip of Phyresis
Parting Thoughts
Armory Automaton (tag broken, but still sucks)
Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder
Trial // Error
In
Mana Drain (If you're going to combo, I'd add in more count magic)
Marionette Master (do you have ways of buffing the master?)
Cyclonic Rift
Goblin Welder
Scrap Mastery
Wheel of Fortune
Mana Crypt
Oblivion Stone
Stoneforge Mystic
Wurmcoil Engine
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Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry = as many 1/1 Thopters for each 1 coloress mana you spend. Sacrifice the Sword of the Meek to the Thopter Foundry and Sword of the Meek will return to play because of the 1/1 produced.
Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry + (Ashnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks) = infinite 1/1 Thopters and infinite coloress mana. You can go infinite by sacrificing the artifact creatures to get 2 colorless and this allows you to just produce infinite 1/1 and infinite colorless mana. With Breya, Etherium Shaper you can use her to kill everybody with the 3 damage ability.
Time Sieve + Thopter Assembly = infinite turns.
Time Sieve + (Sword of the Meek + Thopter Foundry) with 5 mana = infinite turns
Breya, Etherium Shaper + Nim Deathmantle + (Ashnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks) = infinite colorless mana and infinite 1/1 artifact creatures. Sacrifice your 1/1's for 4 mana, then sacrifice Breya for another 2 mana, and use Nim Deathmantle to return her to play. When she comes back into play she'll create another couple of 1/1, and you can just keep doing it. Use Breya to kill everybody with the 3 damage ability.
Myr Battlesphere + Nim Deathmantle + (Ashnod's Altar or Krark-Clan Ironworks) = infinite colorless mana and infinite 1/1 artifact creatures. This is the same as above.
Myr Battlesphere + Master Transmuter + Clock of Omens + Gilded Lotus = infinite mana
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