I've always wanted to build a deck around Kangee, he just seems like the type of Commander that would throw people off and I an all flyer deck is always good to. I was looking to get some feedback on how it looks thus far and how it can be improved, I have the basic foundation I believe and it seems good but any suggestions or opinions on it are always welcome.
I like it. Seems like it could be a lot of fun. Have you thought adding any proliferation effects? Inexorable Table could get Kangee's counters up awfully quickly. Contagion Engine or Contagion Clasp could help as well.
I ended up making a few changes due to not being able to find some of the cards and some additions as combo pieces that work well with other cards. otherwise the deck is pretty much the same. I added in Archetype of Imagination since it combos perfectly with Dovescape providing perfect advantage allowing the tokens my opponents get to lose flying and get all the disadvantages of my cards that cripple ground creatures and their bird tokens will be grounded. I added in Contagion Claspas a cheaper proliferate method if I don't have the Contagion engine. Lightning Greaveswas added in for not being able to find a card but having that protection for my creatures never hurts either. Inexorable Tidewas also an include from being suggested to help kangee gain even more counters with proliferate :D. I also ended up changing up a few of the lands for cost and tried to taylor the mana base to best I could find.
I'm still looking for ways to improve the deck even with the changes I made, so I welcome all and any suggestions or opinions on how it can be improved.
Not everything is applicable but my thoughts are that you have a lot of meh birds still in your list and some better ones you are not using. sometimes it's okay to not use a bird if a card is better on it's own.
For support cards firstly... cut the wraths... you want to have the biggest board presence if you don't you are probably losing anyway. I only play cyclonic rift but there are things like wash out you can use to keep your board and remove theirs.
You deck is missing, Coastal piracy and Bident of thassa you have an army of small evasive creatures why not use them to draw cards? Also -glorious anthem + obelisk of Urd and definitely find a way to fit Cathars' crusade it's great with your proliferate you have going on here. Kangee decks typically run a lot of ramp something I don't.
basically I think your current build is too defensive you have to get on the front foot and try to snowball the game. You will need some spot removal but that's all.
SO cutting the wraths for some more spot removal would fare better, as well as swap out some of the creatures for more utility type and some of the spells?
I would look to add more two drops if you can it seems a bit thin in that spot, perhaps you slide in some ramp in that slot, there is a cycle of old falcons with protection from a colour that you might play if you are struggling, choose the colours you are playing against. arcane denial is better than swan song.. why would I want to give my opponent a blocker?
I think Murder of crows and windbrisk raptor are ok especially with more ramp.
what does mindcrank even do for your deck?
Your deck appears to lack recursion and reanimation, your birds will die make sure they are always coming back white has a lot of options for that. also rootborn defenses
What decks are you playing against? because some of this defensive stuff seems like it is against something specific, is there a lot of other aggro decks? I know that I play mostly against control decks so I don't need to defend myself as much and I worry more about being wrathed and recovering fast from them.
I had to make some changes for sure, since I just wanted to see how the deck would perform with the changes I made thus far. It performed alright but facing a mixture of both aggro, control, and combos decks in my play group at mt LGS is a mix on how to direct the build of Kangee and his flock. One major change I realized was the mana base needed to be changed as well as more 2 drops as suggested before since early game is the roughest part for my deck. Once mid to late game happens and the deck gets going it really takes off and it can defend itself really surprised me. I'm sure with a few more improvements it can be improved even more. I made a few changes which I will list, even with this new rendition I'm still hoping to get some feed back on the changes made :).
I found that the deck needed more mana ramp which I went and added in also which I was able to swap in to improve in how fast I can drop and play the cards I needed. I tried Mindcrank out since having all evasive creatures I would be able to hit no problem and have opponents mill no problem, but it proved to work but not fast as I would have liked it.
1x Kangee, Aerie Keeper
Creatures:
1x Cloudfin Raptor
1x Judge's Familiar
1x Augury Owl
1x Sage Owl
1x Soulcatcher
1x Spire Owl
1x Storm Crow
1x Thrummingbird
1x Pride of the Clouds
1x Welkin Tern
1x Stormscape Familiar
1x Arctic Aven
1x Aven Mimeomancer
1x Aven Mindcensor
1x Aven Sunstriker
1x Cloudchaser Kestrel
1x Keeper of the Nine Gales
1x Talon Trooper
1x Warden of Evos Isle
1x Aven Fleetwing
1x Commander Eesha
1x Sawtooth Loon
1x Thieving Magpie
1x Emeria Angel
1x Tine Shrike
1x Celestial Gatekeeper
1x Murder of Crows
1x Shriek Raptor
1x Wingmate Roc
1x Aven Brigadier
1x Crookclaw Elder
1x Windbrisk Raptor
1x Favorable Winds
1x Gravitational Shift
1x Shared Triumph
1x Dovescape
1x Teferi's Moat
1x Rhystic Study
1x Glorious Anthem
1x Propaganda
1x Soulcatchers' Aerie
Artifacts:
1x Sol Ring
1x Door of Destinies
1x Urza's Incubator
1x Contagion Engine
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Coat of Arms
1x Azorius Signet
1x Azorius Keyrune
1x Mindcrank
Instants:
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Swords To Plowshares
1x Condemn
1x Return to Dust
1x Path to Exile
1x Wing Shards
1x Swan Song
Sorcery:
1x Distant Melody
1x Harsh Mercy
1x Austere Command
1x Supreme Verdict
1x Day of Judgment
1x Airborne Aid
1x Battle Screech
1x Seaside Haven
1x Command Tower
1x Glacial Fortress
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Azorius Chancery
1x Azorius Guildgate
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Nimbus Maze
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Sejiri Refuge
1x Halimar Depths
1x Myriad Landscape
1x Prairie Stream
1x Mystic Gate
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Ancient Ziggurat
1x Coastal Tower
9x Island
9x Plains
I'm still looking for ways to improve the deck even with the changes I made, so I welcome all and any suggestions or opinions on how it can be improved.
Creatures:
1x Judge's Familiar
1x Cloudfin Raptor
1x Augury Owl
1x Sage Owl
1x Storm Crow
1x Thrummingbird
1x Welkin Tern
1x Stormscape Familiar
1x Pride of the Clouds
1x Soulcatcher
1x Spire Owl
1x Aven Sunstriker
1x Arctic Aven
1x Warden of Evos Isle
1x Talon Trooper
1x Aven Mimeomancer
1x Cloudchaser Kestrel
1x Aven Mindcensor
1x Keeper of the Nine Gales
1x Aven Fleetwing
1x Tine Shrike
1x Emeria Angel
1x Commander Eesha
1x Sawtooth Loon
1x Thieving Magpie
1x Murder of Crows
1x Shriek Raptor
1x Celestial Gatekeeper
1x Wingmate Roc
1x Archetype of Imagination
1x Aven Brigadier
1x Crookclaw Elder
1x Windbrisk Raptor
1x Swan Song
1x Condemn
1x Path to Exile
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Favorable Winds
1x Shared Triumph
1x Soulcatchers' Aerie
1x Glorious Anthem
1x Harsh Mercy
1x Rhystic Study
1x Propaganda
1x Wing Shards
1x Day of Judgment
1x Distant Melody
1x Airborne Aid
1x Battle Screech
1x Supreme Verdict
1x Inexorable Tide
1x Gravitational Shift
1x Teferi's Moat
1x Austere Command
1x Dovescape
Artifacts:
1x Sol Ring
1x Mindcrank
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Contagion Clasp
1x Azorius Keyrune
1x Urza's Incubator
1x Door of Destinies
1x Coat of Arms
1x Contagion Engine
9x Island
9x Plains
1x Command Tower
1x Adarkar Wastes
1x Seaside haven
1x Cloudcrest Lake
1x Nimbus Maze
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Ancient Ziggurat
1x Halimar Depths
1x Sejiri Refuge
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Coastal Tower
1x Glacial Fortress
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Azorius Guildgate
1x Prairie Stream
1x Azorius Chancery
1x Evolving Wilds
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Not everything is applicable but my thoughts are that you have a lot of meh birds still in your list and some better ones you are not using. sometimes it's okay to not use a bird if a card is better on it's own.
Soraya the falconer, is really good.
Major Teroh it's a 2/3 that sometimes wipes the board.
mist raven
Aven surveyor bounce is useful.
Runewing and aven fisher
there is also aven riftwatcher
For support cards firstly... cut the wraths... you want to have the biggest board presence if you don't you are probably losing anyway. I only play cyclonic rift but there are things like wash out you can use to keep your board and remove theirs.
You deck is missing, Coastal piracy and Bident of thassa you have an army of small evasive creatures why not use them to draw cards? Also -glorious anthem + obelisk of Urd and definitely find a way to fit Cathars' crusade it's great with your proliferate you have going on here. Kangee decks typically run a lot of ramp something I don't.
basically I think your current build is too defensive you have to get on the front foot and try to snowball the game. You will need some spot removal but that's all.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
I edited it in some of the cards suggested:
-Day of Judgment
-Supreme Verdict
-Contagion Clasp
-Storm Crow
-Aven Fleetwing
-Windbrisk Raptor
-Murder of Crows
-Welkin Tern
-Evolving Wilds
for:
+ Coastal piracy
+ Bident of thassa
+ Soraya the falconer
+ Major Teroh
+ Cathars' crusade
+ obelisk of Urd
+ mist raven
+ Azorius Signet
+aven fisher
With the changes made, and some tough choices and some being really easy calls, does it seem less of a defensive type of deck?
Creatures:
1x Judge's Familiar
1x Cloudfin Raptor
1x Augury Owl
1x Sage Owl
1x Thrummingbird
1x Stormscape Familiar
1x Pride of the Clouds
1x Soulcatcher
1x Spire Owl
1x Soraya the falconer
1x Aven Sunstriker
1x Arctic Aven
1x Warden of Evos Isle
1x Talon Trooper
1x Aven Mimeomancer
1x Cloudchaser Kestrel
1x Aven Mindcensor
1x Keeper of the Nine Gales
1x Major Teroh
1x mist raven
1x Tine Shrike
1x Emeria Angel
1x Commander Eesha
1x Sawtooth Loon
1x aven fisher
1x Thieving Magpie
1x Shriek Raptor
1x Celestial Gatekeeper
1x Wingmate Roc
1x Archetype of Imagination
1x Aven Brigadier
1x Crookclaw Elder
1x Swan Song
1x Condemn
1x Path to Exile
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Favorable Winds
1x Shared Triumph
1x Soulcatchers' Aerie
1x Glorious Anthem
1x Harsh Mercy
1x Rhystic Study
1x Propaganda
1x Wing Shards
1x Coastal piracy
1x Distant Melody
1x Airborne Aid
1x Battle Screech
1x Cathars' crusade
1x Inexorable Tide
1x Gravitational Shift
1x Teferi's Moat
1x Austere Command
1x Dovescape
Artifacts:
1x Sol Ring
1x Mindcrank
1x Azorius Signet
1x Bident of thassa
1x Azorius Keyrune
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Urza's Incubator
1x Door of Destinies
1x Coat of Arms
1x Contagion Engine
1x obelisk of Urd
9x Island
9x Plains
1x Command Tower
1x Adarkar Wastes
1x Seaside haven
1x Cloudcrest Lake
1x Nimbus Maze
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Ancient Ziggurat
1x Halimar Depths
1x Sejiri Refuge
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Coastal Tower
1x Glacial Fortress
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Azorius Guildgate
1x Prairie Stream
1x Azorius Chancery
Talon trooper
swan song
condemn
Mindcrank
Propaganda
wing shards
terefi's moat
meh cards
archetype of imagination
Glorious anthem
Rhystic study
You can find better options.
marshal's anthem>> glorious anthem
I would look to add more two drops if you can it seems a bit thin in that spot, perhaps you slide in some ramp in that slot, there is a cycle of old falcons with protection from a colour that you might play if you are struggling, choose the colours you are playing against.
arcane denial is better than swan song.. why would I want to give my opponent a blocker?
I think Murder of crows and windbrisk raptor are ok especially with more ramp.
what does mindcrank even do for your deck?
Your deck appears to lack recursion and reanimation, your birds will die make sure they are always coming back white has a lot of options for that. also rootborn defenses
What decks are you playing against? because some of this defensive stuff seems like it is against something specific, is there a lot of other aggro decks? I know that I play mostly against control decks so I don't need to defend myself as much and I worry more about being wrathed and recovering fast from them.
Pioneer:UR Pheonix
Modern:U Mono U Tron
EDH
GB Glissa, the traitor: Army of Cans
UW Dragonlord Ojutai: Dragonlord NOjutai
UWGDerevi, Empyrial Tactician "you cannot fight the storm"
R Zirilan of the claw. The solution to every problem is dragons
UB Etrata, the Silencer Cloning assassination
Peasant cube: Cards I own
I found that the deck needed more mana ramp which I went and added in also which I was able to swap in to improve in how fast I can drop and play the cards I needed. I tried Mindcrank out since having all evasive creatures I would be able to hit no problem and have opponents mill no problem, but it proved to work but not fast as I would have liked it.
Changes:
-2x plains
-3x Island
-1x swan song
-1x Mindcrank
-1x Wing Shards
-1x Glorious Anthem
-1x Condemn
-1x Talon Trooper
-1x aven fisher
-1x Cloudfin Raptor
-1x Propaganda
For:
+1x Meteor Crater
+1x Undiscovered Paradise
+1x Eiganjo Castle
+1x Vivid Meadow
+1x Vivid Creek
+1x Cyclonic Rift
+1x Seashell Cameo
+1x Sigil of the New Dawn
+1x Deprive
+1x Remember the Fallen
+1x Lieutenant Kirtar
+1x Coast Watcher
+1x Duskrider Falcon
+1x Reya Dawnbringer
Possible Inclusions
1x Windbrisk Raptor
1x Marshal's Anthem
1x Rule of Law
1x Rootborn Defenses
1x Azorius Cluestone
Creatures:
1x Judge's Familiar
1x Augury Owl
1x Sage Owl
1x Thrummingbird
1x Stormscape Familiar
1x Pride of the Clouds
1x Soulcatcher
1x Spire Owl
1x Coast Watcher
1x Soraya the falconer
1x Aven Sunstriker
1x Arctic Aven
1x Warden of Evos Isle
1x Lieutenant Kirtar
1x Aven Mimeomancer
1x Cloudchaser Kestrel
1x Aven Mindcensor
1x Keeper of the Nine Gales
1x Major Teroh
1x mist raven
1x Tine Shrike
1x Emeria Angel
1x Commander Eesha
1x Sawtooth Loon
1x Thieving Magpie
1x Shriek Raptor
1x Celestial Gatekeeper
1x Wingmate Roc
1x Archetype of Imagination
1x Aven Brigadier
1x Crookclaw Elder
1x Reya Dawnbringer
1x Path to Exile
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Deprive
1x Favorable Winds
1x Shared Triumph
1x Soulcatchers' Aerie
1x Remember the Fallen
1x Harsh Mercy
1x Rhystic Study
1x Sigil of the New Dawn
1x Coastal piracy
1x Distant Melody
1x Airborne Aid
1x Battle Screech
1x Cathars' crusade
1x Inexorable Tide
1x Gravitational Shift
1x Teferi's Moat
1x Austere Command
1x Dovescape
Artifacts:
1x Sol Ring
1x Azorius Signet
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Seashell Cameo
1x Azorius Keyrune
1x Urza's Incubator
1x Bident of thassa
1x Door of Destinies
1x Coat of Arms
1x Contagion Engine
1x obelisk of Urd
6x Island
7x Plains
1x Command Tower
1x Adarkar Wastes
1x Seaside haven
1x Cloudcrest Lake
1x Nimbus Maze
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Ancient Ziggurat
1x Halimar Depths
1x Sejiri Refuge
1x Seachrome Coast
1x Coastal Tower
1x Glacial Fortress
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Azorius Guildgate
1x Prairie Stream
1x Azorius Chancery
1x Meteor Crater
1x Undiscovered Paradise
1x Eiganjo Castle
1x Vivid Meadow
1x Vivid Creek