Hello everyone, I'm back asking for help with another deck. I recently have been pushing myself to play outside of my normal range (being a G/W/x player). So, I'm trying to branch out into Black a little and I've been working on a fun list using Athreos, God of Passage as the Commander for an extort/lifegain suite.
I'm still over a little on my card quantity, but I was hoping someone here had done this before and that I could get a little help. My meta-game is somewhere between casual and competitive. We like to have fun, but every now and then, we bring out the mean decks for serious play.
Question, Comments, Suggestions, and Critique are all Welcome!
I would personally cut Darkest Hour. It has a cool interaction with Teysa but not enough with your overall plan.
Tainted Sigil I would personally cut. It requires a good secondary effect and it is only lifegain. I dont like dependant effects like this that are one shot. I think you can get more value out of some other card. \
Unmake personally I would rather see something like Unexpectedly Absent in this slot considering how much creature specific spot removal you run. Unexpectedly Absent has the advantage of being able to target more things as well and you can cast it for less in a pinch.
Immortal Servitude honestly I think there are better rez effects to be had. Necromancy is one of my own personal favorites.
Read the Bones could be Necropotence. If you have never played Necropotence I suggest you give it a try. The card is crazy good for drawing and especially powerful when fueled with lifegain.
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I have officially moved to MTGNexus. I just wanted to let people know as my response time to salvation decks being bumped is very hit or miss.
I would personally cut Darkest Hour. It has a cool interaction with Teysa but not enough with your overall plan.
Tainted Sigil I would personally cut. It requires a good secondary effect and it is only lifegain. I dont like dependant effects like this that are one shot. I think you can get more value out of some other card. \
Unmake personally I would rather see something like Unexpectedly Absent in this slot considering how much creature specific spot removal you run. Unexpectedly Absent has the advantage of being able to target more things as well and you can cast it for less in a pinch.
Immortal Servitude honestly I think there are better rez effects to be had. Necromancy is one of my own personal favorites.
Read the Bones could be Necropotence. If you have never played Necropotence I suggest you give it a try. The card is crazy good for drawing and especially powerful when fueled with lifegain.
After reading your suggestions, I completely agree with every change except for Immortal Servitude. That one, I might have to test. I honesty have never used have never used Necropotence. Never owned one, but it makes me very interested with this deck. I will definitely have to acquire a copy.
Thank you very much. If you have time, what would you recommend cutting after these changes?
Cutting these cards allows you to add cards from your list of cards you want to add and some that are not on your list.
First I would like to point out that Debtors' knell is a great card for this deck. It does great things and can be fetched into play with academy rector.
Feel free to look at my athreos deck in my signature to get some ideas. I know it isn't an extort one, but I feel that this deck will be very grindy. My deck is the same, so outside extort cards, my deck could offer you many good ideas.
Cutting these cards allows you to add cards from your list of cards you want to add and some that are not on your list.
First I would like to point out that Debtors' knell is a great card for this deck. It does great things and can be fetched into play with academy rector.
Feel free to look at my athreos deck in my signature to get some ideas. I know it isn't an extort one, but I feel that this deck will be very grindy. My deck is the same, so outside extort cards, my deck could offer you many good ideas.
After looking at your suggestions, your cuts and adds do make alot of sense. I have updated the list. Do you have recommendations on what I should cut now? I am at 105 cards. Your help is greatly appreciated.
Cutting these cards allows you to add cards from your list of cards you want to add and some that are not on your list.
First I would like to point out that Debtors' knell is a great card for this deck. It does great things and can be fetched into play with academy rector.
Feel free to look at my athreos deck in my signature to get some ideas. I know it isn't an extort one, but I feel that this deck will be very grindy. My deck is the same, so outside extort cards, my deck could offer you many good ideas.
After looking at your suggestions, your cuts and adds do make alot of sense. I have updated the list. Do you have recommendations on what I should cut now? I am at 105 cards. Your help is greatly appreciated.
I personally think that the amount of card draw you have is not really needed with the amount of recursion that you have.
With all the cards coming back to your hand, or back to play. You won't need to over extend as much, and will have cards to continuously play it seems.
It also looks like most of the cards that have extort are really cheap. This makes it so that you can always just play them back easily and with little hinderance on your mana.
I think you can cut most of the sorcery draw spells and still be fine. I mean you have necropotence. Don't get me wrong, card draw is great, but I think you have enough card advantage as it is with all of the recursion that will be going on, that you don't need to really worry as much.
I also don't really see what is so great about Swiftfoot Boots in this deck. So I would cut that. The 5 cuts I would make are as follows:
If you want to keep at least one of the draw spells in I would say cut one of the sorcery speed, one time recursion spells, whichever one you like the least.
Cutting these cards allows you to add cards from your list of cards you want to add and some that are not on your list.
First I would like to point out that Debtors' knell is a great card for this deck. It does great things and can be fetched into play with academy rector.
Feel free to look at my athreos deck in my signature to get some ideas. I know it isn't an extort one, but I feel that this deck will be very grindy. My deck is the same, so outside extort cards, my deck could offer you many good ideas.
After looking at your suggestions, your cuts and adds do make alot of sense. I have updated the list. Do you have recommendations on what I should cut now? I am at 105 cards. Your help is greatly appreciated.
I personally think that the amount of card draw you have is not really needed with the amount of recursion that you have.
With all the cards coming back to your hand, or back to play. You won't need to over extend as much, and will have cards to continuously play it seems.
It also looks like most of the cards that have extort are really cheap. This makes it so that you can always just play them back easily and with little hinderance on your mana.
I think you can cut most of the sorcery draw spells and still be fine. I mean you have necropotence. Don't get me wrong, card draw is great, but I think you have enough card advantage as it is with all of the recursion that will be going on, that you don't need to really worry as much.
I also don't really see what is so great about Swiftfoot Boots in this deck. So I would cut that. The 5 cuts I would make are as follows:
If you want to keep at least one of the draw spells in I would say cut one of the sorcery speed, one time recursion spells, whichever one you like the least.
Suggestions taken into consideration. Cut's Made. Thank you for the help, my friend.
With the life gain going on three creatures come to mind. vampire nighthawk is one of the best three drops in the game for black and worth a spot. He is cheaper and helps fuel your extort by not costing too much Serra Avatar can become incredibly huge with your life gain. Equipment that gives trample is nice as Serra avatar can end the game for a threat rather quickly. I would use Chariot of Victory over the Swiftfoot Boots for this reason.Obzedat, Ghost Council fits what you are trying to do with extort as well. Extort decks grind away at your opponents you want to keep that up. With Atheros, you want to get one player's life total down low so that you have an outlet to choose when there is a creature you must keep. Ghost council helps achieve that over time while hitting other players as well and is difficult to get rid of once out. It is also hard to have a deck that plays white without Avacyn, Angel of Hope she's just that good. I know it does not fit the deck theme much but a board full of indestructible changes the game. Then after you get rid of the indestructability you have to deal with recursion of those creatures or direct damage when you wipe them away. A couple of straight up board wipes works well too with your commander abut the best might be Nevinyrral's Disk combod with Avacyn you get a board wipe every turn. Liliana of the Dark Realms is an excellent mana generator worth adding as well. AT four mana it works will with extort late game. Volrath's Stronghold is also worth a card slot
Just my $0.02 Here is my Atheros Decklist if you wish to look it over.
I feel so bad for just seeing this now. Thank you very much for your suggestions. I actually looked at your list when I started building this deck. Thanks again.
Be careful when playing extort. In every play group and local commander tournament I've seen extort played, the extort players enevitably become the first targets. It isn't that extort is an OP mechanic, it just can quickly become a thorn in all of your opponent's sides and if the game hasn't yet gotten to the stages of all out war and everyone is still building their board presence, the extort player becomes the most likely person to be attacked first. So when starting a game I'd suggest you keep the extorting to a minimum to keep your opponents from making you their first target. Later on you can extort all you want, even draining everyone for 10 life at a time, by then it won't matter as much, especially if you're able to knock out another player by doing it.
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I'm still over a little on my card quantity, but I was hoping someone here had done this before and that I could get a little help. My meta-game is somewhere between casual and competitive. We like to have fun, but every now and then, we bring out the mean decks for serious play.
Question, Comments, Suggestions, and Critique are all Welcome!
Card Count = 100
1x Academy Rector
1x Agent of Masks
1x Basilica Guards
1x Basilica Screecher
1x Blood Artist
1x Bloodthrone Vampire
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Erebos, God of the Dead
1x Falkenrath Noble
1x Fleshbag Marauder
1x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1x Grim Haruspex
1x Kingpin's Pet
1x Knight of Obligation
1x Mentor of the Meek
1x Merciless Executioner
1x Pontiff of Blight
1x Soul Warden
1x Soul's Attendant
1x Suture Priest
1x Syndic of Tithes
1x Teysa, Orzhov Scion
1x Thrull Parasite
1x Tithe Drinker
1x Viscera Seer
1x Vizkopa Guildmage
1x Weathered Wayfarer
1x Bojuka Bog
1x Cabal Coffers
1x Caves of Koilos
1x Command Tower
1x Fetid Heath
1x Godless Shrine
1x High Market
1x Isolated Chapel
1x Orzhov Guildgate
11x Plains
1x Scoured Barrens
12x Swamp
1x Tainted Field
1x Temple of Silence
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Sorcery (10)
1x Ancient Craving
1x Damnation
1x Debt to the Deathless
1x Diabolic Intent
1x Diabolic Tutor
1x Exsanguinate
1x Immortal Servitude
1x Living Death
1x Merciless Eviction
1x Obzedat's Aid
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Orzhov Signet
1x Skullclamp
1x Sol Ring
1x Blind Obedience
1x Debtors' Knell
1x Dictate of Erebos
1x Exquisite Blood
1x Gate to Phyrexia
1x Grave Pact
1x Greed
1x Martyr's Bond
1x Necromancy
1x Necropotence
1x Palace Siege
1x Phyrexian Arena
1x Phyrexian Reclamation
1x Sanguine Bond
Instant (7)
1x Enlightened Tutor
1x Mortify
1x Orzhov Charm
1x Path to Exile
1x Swords to Plowshares
1x Unexpectedly Absent
1x Utter End
Thank you for taking the time to help out!
I would personally cut Darkest Hour. It has a cool interaction with Teysa but not enough with your overall plan.
Tainted Sigil I would personally cut. It requires a good secondary effect and it is only lifegain. I dont like dependant effects like this that are one shot. I think you can get more value out of some other card. \
Unmake personally I would rather see something like Unexpectedly Absent in this slot considering how much creature specific spot removal you run. Unexpectedly Absent has the advantage of being able to target more things as well and you can cast it for less in a pinch.
Immortal Servitude honestly I think there are better rez effects to be had. Necromancy is one of my own personal favorites.
Read the Bones could be Necropotence. If you have never played Necropotence I suggest you give it a try. The card is crazy good for drawing and especially powerful when fueled with lifegain.
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After reading your suggestions, I completely agree with every change except for Immortal Servitude. That one, I might have to test. I honesty have never used have never used Necropotence. Never owned one, but it makes me very interested with this deck. I will definitely have to acquire a copy.
Thank you very much. If you have time, what would you recommend cutting after these changes?
Butcher of Malakir, High Priest of Penance, Obzedat, Ghost Council, Night's Whisper, and False Cure are cards that could easily be cut. I understand that the false cure is in here for the combo with beacon of immortality. I just am not convinced that it is that good of a combo that is reliable enough to justify a card that has little use outside of the combo.
Cutting these cards allows you to add cards from your list of cards you want to add and some that are not on your list.
First I would like to point out that Debtors' knell is a great card for this deck. It does great things and can be fetched into play with academy rector.
So a list of cards that I would say you could add in here would be:
Debtors' knell
Vizkopa Guildmage
Martyr's Bond
Palace Siege
Phyrexian Reclamation
Feel free to look at my athreos deck in my signature to get some ideas. I know it isn't an extort one, but I feel that this deck will be very grindy. My deck is the same, so outside extort cards, my deck could offer you many good ideas.
Mono-Black Oona, Queen of the Fae
Athreos, God of Passage
After looking at your suggestions, your cuts and adds do make alot of sense. I have updated the list. Do you have recommendations on what I should cut now? I am at 105 cards. Your help is greatly appreciated.
I personally think that the amount of card draw you have is not really needed with the amount of recursion that you have.
With all the cards coming back to your hand, or back to play. You won't need to over extend as much, and will have cards to continuously play it seems.
It also looks like most of the cards that have extort are really cheap. This makes it so that you can always just play them back easily and with little hinderance on your mana.
I think you can cut most of the sorcery draw spells and still be fine. I mean you have necropotence. Don't get me wrong, card draw is great, but I think you have enough card advantage as it is with all of the recursion that will be going on, that you don't need to really worry as much.
I also don't really see what is so great about Swiftfoot Boots in this deck. So I would cut that. The 5 cuts I would make are as follows:
If you want to keep at least one of the draw spells in I would say cut one of the sorcery speed, one time recursion spells, whichever one you like the least.
Mono-Black Oona, Queen of the Fae
Athreos, God of Passage
Suggestions taken into consideration. Cut's Made. Thank you for the help, my friend.
Just my $0.02 Here is my Atheros Decklist if you wish to look it over.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/574687-finalizing-athreos-the-underrated