I need help making a horror movie monster/classic monster themed deck. So Zombies, Vampires, Demons, Horrors, Nightmares, Spirits and Humans (psychopaths and murderers). I'm avoiding using Angels at all costs.
I don't really recommend Kaalia for this as you are using her primarily to cheat demons, which is just under 50% of your creatures, and you are barely using any white cards. You might be better using a RB Commander and using mana artifacts and reanimation cards to get big creatures out.
I'm running 11 white cards including the Mardu-coloured ones. Already have an Empty the Pits in there and I probably should have pointed this out but the deck needs to be Mardu coloured.
It's for clanmander games, so any of the 5 Tarkir clans colours. I went with Mardu and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls is an Angel so she's out an Zurgo Helmsmasher doesn't do anything other than be aggressive and give colour.
I probably should have pointed this out but the deck needs to be Mardu coloured.
It's for clanmander games, so any of the 5 Tarkir clans colours. I went with Mardu and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls is an Angel so she's out an Zurgo Helmsmasher doesn't do anything other than be aggressive and give colour.
Thanks for explaining your situation. You're really under-utilizing white here. You could definitely use some of white's "evil or neutral" removal cards like Path to Exile and Cataclysm. Also, the New Phyrexia block offers cards like Phyrexian Rebirth and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, which would boost the strength of your deck.
That's exactly what I need help with as I've never played White before. I really like the look of Phyrexian Rebirth and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, he's a little expensive at $40 but that's really tempting.
Elesh Norn is unfortunately expensive, but it would fit in your horror theme while providing an actual strength boost to the deck. You should definitely look at the white cards in Scars of Mirrodin, Mirrodin Besieged, and New Phyrexia expansion as the white creatures and spells depicted there are more horror-themed and not good or holy.
Rakdos, Lord of Riots isn't nearly as potent as Rakdos the Defiler. (Rakdos the Defiler has a drawback but if launch through Kaalia's ability, you avoid that drawback.)
I also forgot about Grave Pact and No Mercy. These are not as expensive as Elesh Norn, but I'm not sure what your budget is.
Grand Abolisher is off-theme as he isn't evil, but I understand if you need its effect. If you are playing 4-player Commander, Grand Abolisher probably isn't going to live very long.
Otherwise, the other advice I can give is what most veteran Commander players give: your lands could use improvement. You have a 5 lands that come into play tapped, which may slow you down. I assume that you probably can't afford shocklands or fetchlands in the right colors.
Cheers for the help. I'll look into getting a copy of Lightning Greaves
Those other suggestions are much better than what I've got. My budget is something along the lines of "$20 is a bit too much for a single card."
Grand Abolisher Isn't immediately evil looking I'll admit but it is something I want to trial run as the deck I face off against the most is a combat trick heavy Jeskai deck with prowess and getting Jeskai Ascendancy with startling consistency, considering he doesn't have an enchantment tutor.
Lands in my group are mostly slow lands anyway so not having shocks or fetches in colour isn't a problem.
Thanks again for your help.
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1x Kaalia of the Vast
Lands
10x Swamp
5x Mountain
5x Plains
1x Akoum Refuge
1x Arcane Lighthouse
1x Bloodfell Caves
1x Clifftop Retreat
1x Command Tower
1x Dragonskull Summit
1x Isolated Chapel
1x Nomad Outpost
1x Reflecting Pool
1x Scoured Barrens
1x Tainted Field
1x Tainted Peak
1x Temple of Malice
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Wind-Scarred Crag
Creatures
1x Abhorrent Overlord
1x Anger
1x Ankle Shanker
1x Bloodgift Demon
1x Bloodsoaked Champion
1x Butcher of the Horde
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Dark Impostor
1x Demon of Wailing Agonies
1x Desecration Demon
1x Disciple of Bolas
1x Fiend of the Shadows
1x Flesh Carver
1x Ghoulcaller Gisa
1x Grave Titan
1x Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1x Harvester of Souls
1x Indulgent Tormentor
1x Lyzolda, the Blood Witch
1x Magus of the Coffers
1x Overseer of the Damned
1x Rakdos, Lord of Riots
1x Reaper from the Abyss
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Skirsdag High Priest
1x Tyrant's Familiar
1x Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Artifacts
1x Caged Sun
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Jet Medallion
1x Sol Ring
1x Staff of Nin
1x Swiftfoot Boots
1x Whip of Erebos
Instants
1x Altar's Reap
1x Crackling Doom
1x Empty the Pits
1x Erase
1x Doom Blade
1x Lightning Helix
1x Mardu Charm
1x Rakdos Charm
1x Silence the Believers
1x Stave Off
1x Tragic Slip
1x Utter End
1x Victim of Night
Sorceries
1x Decree of Pain
1x Diabolic Tutor
1x Dreadbore
1x Dutiful Return
1x Gild
1x Infernal Offering
1x Plague Wind
1x Rakdos's Return
1x Read the Bones
1x Sign in Blood
1x Skull Rend
1x Dictate of Erebos
1x First Response
1x Grave Betrayal
1x Mardu Ascendancy
1x Oppressive Rays
1x Underworld Connections
Some cards to help the theme:
Commander choices
Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch
Olivia Voldaren
Other cards
Empty the Pits
Animate Dead
Necromancy
Dance of the Dead
Phyrexian Reclamation
Entomb
Endless Ranks of the Dead
Heartless Summoning
Living Death
It's for clanmander games, so any of the 5 Tarkir clans colours. I went with Mardu and Tariel, Reckoner of Souls is an Angel so she's out an Zurgo Helmsmasher doesn't do anything other than be aggressive and give colour.
Thanks for explaining your situation. You're really under-utilizing white here. You could definitely use some of white's "evil or neutral" removal cards like Path to Exile and Cataclysm. Also, the New Phyrexia block offers cards like Phyrexian Rebirth and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, which would boost the strength of your deck.
Other cards that might on-theme but also provide better bang for the buck:
Return to Dust
Revoke Existence
Hero's Downfall
Catastrophe
Life's Finale
Rakdos, Lord of Riots isn't nearly as potent as Rakdos the Defiler. (Rakdos the Defiler has a drawback but if launch through Kaalia's ability, you avoid that drawback.)
Also, look at 3drinks Kaalia primer (http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/forum-1-vs-1-commander-decklists/206319-traditional-commander-kaalia-of-the-vast) and check out the demons he uses. He even has a demon deck, some of which are better than the ones you have currently.
1x Kaalia of the Vast
Lands
10x Swamp
5x Mountain
5x Plains
1x Akoum Refuge
1x Arcane Lighthouse
1x Bloodfell Caves
1x Clifftop Retreat
1x Command Tower
1x Dragonskull Summit
1x Isolated Chapel
1x Nomad Outpost
1x Reflecting Pool
1x Scoured Barrens
1x Tainted Field
1x Tainted Peak
1x Temple of Malice
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Wind-Scarred Crag
Creatures
1x Anger
1x Ankle Shanker
1x Bloodgift Demon
1x Bloodsoaked Champion
1x Butcher of the Horde
1x Crypt Ghast
1x Dark Impostor
1x Desecration Demon
1x Disciple of Bolas
1x Fiend of the Shadows
1x Flesh Carver
1x Ghoulcaller Gisa
1x Grand Abolisher
1x Grave Titan
1x Harvester of Souls
1x Indulgent Tormentor
1x Magus of the Coffers
1x Master of Cruelties
1x Overseer of the Damned
1x Pestilence Demon
1x Rakdos the Defiler
1x Reaper from the Abyss
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Skirsdag High Priest
1x Tyrant's Familiar
1x Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath
Artifacts
1x Caged Sun
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Jet Medallion
1x Sol Ring
1x Staff of Nin
1x Swiftfoot Boots
1x Whip of Erebos
Instants
1x Altar's Reap
1x Crackling Doom
1x Empty the Pits
1x Lightning Helix
1x Mardu Charm
1x Path to Exile
1x Rakdos Charm
1x Return to Dust
1x Silence the Believers
1x Stave Off
1x Tragic Slip
1x Utter End
Sorceries
1x Cataclysm
1x Decree of Pain
1x Diabolic Tutor
1x Dreadbore
1x Gild
1x Phyrexian Rebirth
1x Plague Wind
1x Rakdos's Return
1x Read the Bones
1x Sign in Blood
1x Skull Rend
1x Dictate of Erebos
1x Endless Ranks of the Dead
1x Grave Betrayal
1x Heartless Summoning
1x Phyrexian Reclamation
1x Underworld Connections
If you aren't afraid to lose life, Phyrexian Arena is better than Underworld Connections for card drawing.
Balefire Dragon is going to be deadlier than Tyrant's Familiar for the same mana cost.
I also forgot about Grave Pact and No Mercy. These are not as expensive as Elesh Norn, but I'm not sure what your budget is.
Grand Abolisher is off-theme as he isn't evil, but I understand if you need its effect. If you are playing 4-player Commander, Grand Abolisher probably isn't going to live very long.
Otherwise, the other advice I can give is what most veteran Commander players give: your lands could use improvement. You have a 5 lands that come into play tapped, which may slow you down. I assume that you probably can't afford shocklands or fetchlands in the right colors.
Good luck!
Those other suggestions are much better than what I've got. My budget is something along the lines of "$20 is a bit too much for a single card."
Grand Abolisher Isn't immediately evil looking I'll admit but it is something I want to trial run as the deck I face off against the most is a combat trick heavy Jeskai deck with prowess and getting Jeskai Ascendancy with startling consistency, considering he doesn't have an enchantment tutor.
Lands in my group are mostly slow lands anyway so not having shocks or fetches in colour isn't a problem.
Thanks again for your help.