My Nekusar deck feels light on removal, especially for artifacts/enchantments. Really, O-stone is the only removal for non-creature permanents. I'm looking for suggestions that will keep on theme as much as possible. I'm at a loss...but I need something more because 1 enchantment (can't remember what is was off hand) locked me out from attacking an opponent and I had to politic another player into blowing it up for me (which wouldn't have happened if it wasn't a close friend.) Unfortunately, I'm now looking towards stuff like Cyclonic Rift to resolve the issue. Anyone have any better ideas of the undeadish variety?
I would personally just cut Nekusar and make Grimgrin the commander. The only red cards you have in the deck other than Nekusar are Tymaret and good ol' Thraxy. While those are fine creatures as well as zombies, they don't do a whole lot relative to how often you'll be seeing them. Grimgrin is repeatable removal on a stick, especially with the token production that this deck is capable of. Plus he fits flavorwise as a leader of zombies, since he led the undead army that overtook Thraben in the Innistrad story.
You're going to have a tough time with enchantments in those colors, unless you want to either counter or bounce them. Red gets Chaos Warp, which is one of the best removal spells in the format. Other than that, you're stuck with colorless removal like Oblivion Stone (which you've got), Perilous Vault, Nevinyrral's Disk, and Spine of Ish Sah. You're not in great colors to deal with enchantments once they resolve.
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Seconding Chaos Warp, it has some themeatic applicability. As you are in Blue you could try things like Repeal, Chain of Vapor or Cyclonic Rift(mentioned above) - but again not very thematic.
As far as artifact/enchantment removal, that's a lot harder to manage. For one, the colors have a lot of problems dealing with enchantments anyways. Dispersing Orb is a decent repeated bounce effect that you can throw bodies at. Sedraxis Alchemist is a zombie who bounces things.
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I would personally just cut Nekusar and make Grimgrin the commander. The only red cards you have in the deck other than Nekusar are Tymaret and good ol' Thraxy. While those are fine creatures as well as zombies, they don't do a whole lot relative to how often you'll be seeing them. Grimgrin is repeatable removal on a stick, especially with the token production that this deck is capable of. Plus he fits flavorwise as a leader of zombies, since he led the undead army that overtook Thraben in the Innistrad story.
I think you're right. Nekusar gets hated on for it's wheel combo...which is unfounded against my deck. Tymaret does very little and I don't think I've ever got the chance to play Thrax. To top it all off, I've won a good portion of games through Grimgrin shenanigans...either equipping him up or gravecrawler/rooftop storm combo. The reason that I really like Nekusar is for the consistent card draw and subtle damage dealing that can be played at nearly any time I'm running short on gas. If I ditch him I'll put in Necropotence or some other mass draw that doesn't interfere with graveyard recursion and maybe Demonic/Diabolic Tutor to make up for some of the missing draw.
You're going to have a tough time with enchantments in those colors, unless you want to either counter or bounce them. Red gets Chaos Warp, which is one of the best removal spells in the format. Other than that, you're stuck with colorless removal like Oblivion Stone (which you've got), Perilous Vault, Nevinyrral's Disk, and Spine of Ish Sah. You're not in great colors to deal with enchantments once they resolve.
I think I may have to go the colorless route which I don't mind as much being off theme.
As far as artifact/enchantment removal, that's a lot harder to manage. For one, the colors have a lot of problems dealing with enchantments anyways. Dispersing Orb is a decent repeated bounce effect that you can throw bodies at. Sedraxis Alchemist is a zombie who bounces things.
I really like the Alchemist, but unless I squeeze a few more blue permanents in I think it may be a wasted slot.
I like this as well except for the mana cost. I don't have ramp other than the handful of mana rocks, Nykthos and Caged Sun. I guess Urborg/Coffers can go in and I'll look for a little more acceleration (Black Market if nothing else.)
Enchantments are tough. Typical zombie tribal is going to be about creature control, but you can add in some good repeatable artifact hate + Liquimetal Coating if it that much of a problem.
I have a Nekusar zombie tribal myself if you want to take a look for some more deck options: Zombies Walk!
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1 Nekusar, the Mindrazer
Creatures
1 Gravecrawler
1 Blood Scrivener
1 Shepherd of Rot
1 Withered Wretch
1 Tymaret, the Murder King
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Cemetery Reaper
1 Death Baron
1 Lifebane Zombie
1 Stronghold Assassin
1 Zombie Master
1 Diregraf Captain
1 Lich Lord of Unx
1 Siren of the Silent Song
1 Gravedigger
1 Vengeful Dead
1 Fatestitcher
1 Undead Alchemist
1 Graveborn Muse
1 Liliana's Reaver
1 Skinrender
1 Undead Warchief
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
1 Havengul Lich
1 Vengeful Pharaoh
1 Grave Titan
1 Geth, Lord of the Vault
1 Pontiff of Blight
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
1 Thraximundar
1 Ghoulcaller's Chant
1 Reanimate
1 Stitch Together
1 Syphon Flesh
1 Living Death
1 Life's Finale
1 Zombie Apocalypse
1 Army of the Damned
1 Plague Wind
Enchantments
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
1 Necromancer's Stockpile
1 Zombie Infestation
1 Curse of Shallow Graves
1 Endless Ranks of the Dead
1 Call to the Grave
1 Rooftop Storm
1 Grave Betrayal
Planeswalkers
1 Liliana of the Dark Realms
Artifacts
1 Inquisitor's Flail
1 Quietus Spike
1 Sword of Vengeance
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Grimoire of the Dead
1 Sol Ring
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Izzet Signet
1 Dimir Signet
1 Obelisk of Grixis
1 Caged Sun
19 Swamp
3 Island
2 Mountain
1 Opal Palace
1 Command Tower
1 Crumbling Necropolis
1 Dimir Guildgate
1 Rakdos Guildgate
1 Blood Crypt
1 Steam Vents
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Temple of the False Gods
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Rogue's Passage
Kresh the Bloodbraided-Jund Aggro
Karador, Ghost Chieftain-Abzan Midrange
Kangee, Aerie Keeper-Bird Tribal
Alesha, Who Smiles at Death-Warrior Tribal
Sydri, Galvanic Genius-Gepetto's Combo Workshop
Melek, Izzet Paragon-Izzet Mad Science
Omnath, Locus of Rage-Land/Elemental Tribal
Avacyn, Angel of Hope-The Church of Avacyn (Innistrad Flavor)
Brion Stoutarm
Daxos of Meletis
Varolz, the Scar-Striped
Narset, Enlightened Master
Damia, Sage of Stone
Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
Titania, Protector of Argoth
Dakkon Blackblade
Roon of the Hidden Realm
Mayael the Anima
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
Tasigur, the Golden Fang
Gaddock Teeg
Rhys the Redeemed
You're going to have a tough time with enchantments in those colors, unless you want to either counter or bounce them. Red gets Chaos Warp, which is one of the best removal spells in the format. Other than that, you're stuck with colorless removal like Oblivion Stone (which you've got), Perilous Vault, Nevinyrral's Disk, and Spine of Ish Sah. You're not in great colors to deal with enchantments once they resolve.
Twinflame would allow you to create more zombies but could also copy someone's Acidic Slime or Reclaimation Sage. Reiterate could do the same thing with a Naturalize effect, you could Reiterate your Syphon Flesh, Army of the Damned or Reanimate to get double value.
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StaffThere's some zombie-based removal out there, but much of it is pretty weak. Some options:
Skinthinner
Noxious Ghoul
Feeding Frenzy
Feast or Famine
Cruel Revival
Deathbringer Thoctar
Grimgrin, Corpse-born
Thraximundar
Drakestown Forgotten
Nefashu
Nightscape Battlemage
Plaguebearer
Rathi Assassin
Rakdos Guildmage
Skinrender
Smokespew Invoker
Stronghold Assassin
Unliving Psychopath
Call to the Grave
Deathmark Prelate
Gangrenous Zombies
As far as artifact/enchantment removal, that's a lot harder to manage. For one, the colors have a lot of problems dealing with enchantments anyways. Dispersing Orb is a decent repeated bounce effect that you can throw bodies at. Sedraxis Alchemist is a zombie who bounces things.
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Attrition can work very well with zombie tokens
I think you're right. Nekusar gets hated on for it's wheel combo...which is unfounded against my deck. Tymaret does very little and I don't think I've ever got the chance to play Thrax. To top it all off, I've won a good portion of games through Grimgrin shenanigans...either equipping him up or gravecrawler/rooftop storm combo. The reason that I really like Nekusar is for the consistent card draw and subtle damage dealing that can be played at nearly any time I'm running short on gas. If I ditch him I'll put in Necropotence or some other mass draw that doesn't interfere with graveyard recursion and maybe Demonic/Diabolic Tutor to make up for some of the missing draw.
I think I may have to go the colorless route which I don't mind as much being off theme.
I really like the Alchemist, but unless I squeeze a few more blue permanents in I think it may be a wasted slot.
I like this as well except for the mana cost. I don't have ramp other than the handful of mana rocks, Nykthos and Caged Sun. I guess Urborg/Coffers can go in and I'll look for a little more acceleration (Black Market if nothing else.)
Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
I have a Nekusar zombie tribal myself if you want to take a look for some more deck options: Zombies Walk!