I am sorry if this is not in the right forum. This is my first time posting.
So this is a deck that I have spent a lot of time working on. I know this is not a cheap deck. I would love to make a cheap superfriends. This deck has to be multi-player, because it is rather slow.
The idea of the deck is pillowfort with the attempt to keep the planeswalkers alive for a little longer. The ideal situation is to get doubling season out and just boom the planeswalkers right away. There are a few proliferate cards in the deck, but they are not really there to serve as a win con. If anything the deck is an enchantment based deck. I want every card in the deck to either help the planeswalkers or protect me from the other players.
I would love advice ho how to make the deck more fluid. I feel that the planeswalkers that I have in here have been tested numerous times. I am just not sure that there is anything I can do to make it better. I am willing to try just about anything. If I have the money I would buy Moat, but that is 400 dollars. It is way out of my price range.
I'd recommend Sliver Queen over Progenitus as she creates tokens that are not only synergistic with Doubling Season, but also protect your planeswalkers. Also, 3 hits from her kills someone with commander damage, Progenitus on the other hand is never really cast.
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Ajani Goldmane: I don't think it does enough. Life gain is irrelevant. It only gives a small pump to your tokens. And it's ultimate only creates 1 threat that is not too hard to deal with.
Ghostly Prison/Propaganda: They only protect you and not your walkers, so they're generally not worth running. I like running Collective Restraint though since almost all the time they have to pay 5 for each attacking creature, which is significantly more than 2.
With Aurification you're being dealt damage anyway, why not run No Mercy over it?
Amulet of Vigor: It looks like you have a pretty good manabase, so this isn't really worth running. It's great in budget lists, but you don't really need it here just to avoid 2 damage from shocks.
My deck only runs 1 creature other than Sliver Queen, which is Academy Rector - and I'd highly recommend it. Finding and playing Doubling Season is after all the main goal in this deck.
I'd definitely recommend adding Gideon Jura though. He's great pillowfort, removal, and can be a beater when you need him to.
Garruk, Primal Hunter: Makes tokens, I've drawn 7 cards off it with Sliver Queen before, and his ultimate can win you the game.
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker: The most badass planeswalker out there! Deals with any permanent, and his ultimate totally wrecks a person or two.
Have you considered any Obliterate/Armageddon type effects? They're generally pretty awesome with Walkers.
I'd recommend Sliver Queen over Progenitus as she creates tokens that are not only synergistic with Doubling Season, but also protect your planeswalkers. Also, 3 hits from her kills someone with commander damage, Progenitus on the other hand is never really cast.
-'s:
Ajani Goldmane: I don't think it does enough. Life gain is irrelevant. It only gives a small pump to your tokens. And it's ultimate only creates 1 threat that is not too hard to deal with.
Chandra, Pyromaster: Is useful for her 0 ability, but her +1 and -7 abilities pretty much do nothing. So..I'm not sure if shes worth running over something like Sylvan Library/Rhystic Study/Phyrexian Arena.
Dissipation Field: At first this card seems like great pillowfort, until someone realises they should keep hitting you with their Acidic Slime, Eternal Witness or Avenger of Zendikar >_>
Ghostly Prison/Propaganda: They only protect you and not your walkers, so they're generally not worth running. I like running Collective Restraint though since almost all the time they have to pay 5 for each attacking creature, which is significantly more than 2.
With Aurification you're being dealt damage anyway, why not run No Mercy over it?
Amulet of Vigor: It looks like you have a pretty good manabase, so this isn't really worth running. It's great in budget lists, but you don't really need it here just to avoid 2 damage from shocks.
You have one guildgate in there, (Azorius Guildgate), I'd recommend any other land over it, such as Celestial Colonnade, or at the very least Temple Of Enlightenment.
+'s:
My deck only runs 1 creature other than Sliver Queen, which is Academy Rector - and I'd highly recommend it. Finding and playing Doubling Season is after all the main goal in this deck.
I'd definitely recommend adding Gideon Jura though. He's great pillowfort, removal, and can be a beater when you need him to.
Garruk, Primal Hunter: Makes tokens, I've drawn 7 cards off it with Sliver Queen before, and his ultimate can win you the game.
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker: The most badass planeswalker out there! Deals with any permanent, and his ultimate totally wrecks a person or two.
Have you considered any Obliterate/Armageddon type effects? They're generally pretty awesome with Walkers.
Creeping Renaissance is a great way to restock on walkers & enchantments. Compared to Silent Sentinel, which seems really slow.
I'd also recommend trying out Mystic Barrier. It's been good to me so far.
I like Dueling Grounds from your list. Seems pretty good. Also, how often is Cloud Cover useful? What about Divine Presence?
Cloud Cover is probably one of the weakest cards. I am just not sure what to replace it with. Divine Presence is there to stop the really common Craterhoof combo. It is one of the most common ones in my play group. Amulet of Vigor does need to go. I just recently came into the Fabled lands, and Azorious Guildgate is becoming a Tundra soon.
Thank you so much for the Dissipation Field . I would never have thought of that.
Magus of the Moat is in the deck. IF I have 400-500 dollars I would buy Moat. Though I really need to get Teferi's Moat. Thanks for the ideas. I completely forgot about that one.
Based on my experience with super friends, here is my suggestions:
Wargate - Tutors for planeswalker late game when you need it to, and plays as a ramp spell early game. What I also like about this is that not only does it grab lands, it grabs any lands.
Peacekeeper - Since you want to play pillowforty, this guy does a great job in protecting you and your planeswalkers.
Magus of the Moat is in the deck. IF I have 400-500 dollars I would buy Moat. Though I really need to get Teferi's Moat. Thanks for the ideas. I completely forgot about that one.
I think out of all of the Chandras, Firebrand would be the strongest. If you had some tutor spells like Demonic Tutor/Vampiric Tutor or destroy spells like Putrefy/Mortify, her neg 2 ability would be helping your hand or board state.
In mine I run Path to Exile and Swords to Plowshares for cards like this, or Cyclo Rift. In any case there aren't any tutors like the ones posted above to get to said answer cards.
So this is a deck that I have spent a lot of time working on. I know this is not a cheap deck. I would love to make a cheap superfriends. This deck has to be multi-player, because it is rather slow.
The idea of the deck is pillowfort with the attempt to keep the planeswalkers alive for a little longer. The ideal situation is to get doubling season out and just boom the planeswalkers right away. There are a few proliferate cards in the deck, but they are not really there to serve as a win con. If anything the deck is an enchantment based deck. I want every card in the deck to either help the planeswalkers or protect me from the other players.
I would love advice ho how to make the deck more fluid. I feel that the planeswalkers that I have in here have been tested numerous times. I am just not sure that there is anything I can do to make it better. I am willing to try just about anything. If I have the money I would buy Moat, but that is 400 dollars. It is way out of my price range.
Any help making it better would be loved.
1 Progenitus
//Planeswalkers
1 Ajani Goldmane
1 Ajani Steadfast
1 Ajani, Mentor of Heroes
1 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
1 Chandra, Pyromaster
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Jace, Architect of Thought
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Karn Liberated
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana Vess
1 Garruk, Apex Predator
1 Ral Zarek
1 Sarkhan Vol
1 Sorin Markov
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
1 Dack Fayden
1 Venser, the Sojourner
1 Vraska the Unseen
1 Xenagos, the Reveler
1 Sarkhan the Mad
//Enchantments
1 Dissipation Field
1 Doubling Season
1 Ghostly Prison
1 Humility
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Cloud Cover
1 Maelstrom Nexus
1 Blind Obedience
1 Lightmine Field
1 Divine Presence
1 Aurification
1 Parallel Lives
1 Propaganda
1 Sphere of Safety
1 Amulet of Vigor
1 Sol Ring
1 Meekstone
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Contagion Engine
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Norn's Annex
1 Rings of Brighthearth
1 The Chain Veil
1 Crawlspace
//Sorcery
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Terminus
1 Final Judgment
1 Akroma's Vengeance
1 Wrath of God
//Creatures
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
1 Dread
1 Godhead of Awe
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
1 Silent Sentinel
1 Viral Drake
1 Magus of the Moat
//Instant
1 Cyclonic Rift
//Lands
1 Arid Mesa
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Marsh Flats
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Azorius Guildgate
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Breeding Pool
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Watery Grave
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Steam Vents
1 Temple Garden
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Godless Shrine
1 Reflecting Pool
1 City of Brass
1 Command Tower
1 badlands
1 Underground Sea
1 Savannah
1 Plateau
1 Scrubland
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tropical Island
2 Forest
2 Island
1 Mountain
2 Plains
2 Swamp
-1 Goldmane
-2 Sarkhan
+1 Niccy B
+1 Ajani Vengeant
+1 Kiora
I'd also try and squeeze a Gideon Jura in there too.
-'s:
Ajani Goldmane: I don't think it does enough. Life gain is irrelevant. It only gives a small pump to your tokens. And it's ultimate only creates 1 threat that is not too hard to deal with.
Chandra, Pyromaster: Is useful for her 0 ability, but her +1 and -7 abilities pretty much do nothing. So..I'm not sure if shes worth running over something like Sylvan Library/Rhystic Study/Phyrexian Arena.
Dissipation Field: At first this card seems like great pillowfort, until someone realises they should keep hitting you with their Acidic Slime, Eternal Witness or Avenger of Zendikar >_>
Ghostly Prison/Propaganda: They only protect you and not your walkers, so they're generally not worth running. I like running Collective Restraint though since almost all the time they have to pay 5 for each attacking creature, which is significantly more than 2.
With Aurification you're being dealt damage anyway, why not run No Mercy over it?
Amulet of Vigor: It looks like you have a pretty good manabase, so this isn't really worth running. It's great in budget lists, but you don't really need it here just to avoid 2 damage from shocks.
You have one guildgate in there, (Azorius Guildgate), I'd recommend any other land over it, such as Celestial Colonnade, or at the very least Temple Of Enlightenment.
+'s:
My deck only runs 1 creature other than Sliver Queen, which is Academy Rector - and I'd highly recommend it. Finding and playing Doubling Season is after all the main goal in this deck.
I'd definitely recommend adding Gideon Jura though. He's great pillowfort, removal, and can be a beater when you need him to.
Garruk, Primal Hunter: Makes tokens, I've drawn 7 cards off it with Sliver Queen before, and his ultimate can win you the game.
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker: The most badass planeswalker out there! Deals with any permanent, and his ultimate totally wrecks a person or two.
Have you considered any Obliterate/Armageddon type effects? They're generally pretty awesome with Walkers.
Creeping Renaissance is a great way to restock on walkers & enchantments. Compared to Silent Sentinel, which seems really slow.
I'd also recommend trying out Mystic Barrier. It's been good to me so far.
I like Dueling Grounds from your list. Seems pretty good. Also, how often is Cloud Cover useful? What about Divine Presence?
What about Moat Teferi's Moat or Magus of the Moat?
WUBDakkon, a Tribute
BChainer, the demonlord!
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WBKarlov of the Ghost Council
Cloud Cover is probably one of the weakest cards. I am just not sure what to replace it with. Divine Presence is there to stop the really common Craterhoof combo. It is one of the most common ones in my play group. Amulet of Vigor does need to go. I just recently came into the Fabled lands, and Azorious Guildgate is becoming a Tundra soon.
Thank you so much for the Dissipation Field . I would never have thought of that.
Magus of the Moat is in the deck. IF I have 400-500 dollars I would buy Moat. Though I really need to get Teferi's Moat. Thanks for the ideas. I completely forgot about that one.
David.
WUBDakkon, a Tribute
BChainer, the demonlord!
RWAurelia
WBKarlov of the Ghost Council
Wargate - Tutors for planeswalker late game when you need it to, and plays as a ramp spell early game. What I also like about this is that not only does it grab lands, it grabs any lands.
Peacekeeper - Since you want to play pillowforty, this guy does a great job in protecting you and your planeswalkers.
Kiora, the Crashing Wave - Another nice pillow fort tool.
Karona, False God | Sliver King | Horde of Notions | Marchesa, the Black Rose | Rhys the Redeemed | Selvala, Explorer Returned | Angus Mackenale
Vela the Night-Clad | Kaalia of the Vast | Merieke Ri Berit | Jhoira of the Ghitu | Ashling the Pilgrim | Arcum Dagsson
Ertai, Wizard Adept | Glissa, the Traitor | Oona, Queen of the Fae
What about Vampiric Tutor and/or Demonic Tutor?
When you say pillowfort do you refer to this battle ?
WUBDakkon, a Tribute
BChainer, the demonlord!
RWAurelia
WBKarlov of the Ghost Council
I hear that, Teferi's Moat is bananas and a 400th of the cost as The Mighty M.
I'm not really sure (outside of turn 1) where the Amulet of Vigor is strong
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RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
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UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
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UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
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(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar
He could bounce it with Cyclonic Rift, or follow Teeg up with a Liliana of the Veil and -2, but yeah, not too many answers. I'd recommend something like Chaos Warp/Vindicate/Maelstrom Pulse/Putrefy/Mortify/Oblation/etc.
If only Godhead of Awe was Humility on a stick.
(W/U)(B/R)GForm of Progenitus, Shape of a Scrubland
BRGJund Tokens with Prossh, the Magic Dragon Foil
URGAnimar, the RUG CleanerFoil
RRRFeldon of the Third Path 2.0 Foil
BG(B/G)Not Another Meren DeckFoil
UR(U/R)Mizzix, Y Control and X Burn Spells
(W/U)(B/R)GHarold Ramos - The 35 Foot Long Twinkie (In +1/+1 counters)
UB(U/B)Dragonlord Silumgar