Hey everyone! I'm trying to get back into MTG after almost a year hiatus. Because of my new job I can't really go out to my LGS and play any kind of constructed, so I'm thinking of putting the majority of my time into MTGO playing the one format I've had the most fun, but the least experience in: Commander.
So, I've been looking into making a (relatively) cheap, fun, annoying deck on MTGO with a rather unused commander. Nothing hyper competitive (I don't care if I win), but I at least want it's theme to work and have fun doing it.
These are the two Tor Wauki decks I'm working on/testing currently:
I've tested out the Death Ping deck a bit on MTGO and it's a blast to play. When a machine gun effect like Goblin Sharpshooter + Basilisk Collar happen, things start looking bleak for the rest of the table but not completely bleak. Since I don't have many cards that scream I WIN, the actual "win" can take a long time, especially with a few pingers out there doing a damage a turn. It is possible to win this way, though. I managed to win a multiplayer game on the backs of Chandra, the Firebrand + Staff of Nin + Death Pits of Rath pretty much saying "NO" to everything that entered the battlefield and slowly whittling everyone down, but it did take forever (it also helped that one of the other guys was playing a Zedruu the Greathearted pillowfort deck which stalled the game up)
The things I've learned about the deck after a few matches is that the early-game is nonexistent (i.e. no pressure, trying to set up the killing floor); the mid-game is doing more of the same, just better; and the end-game, if you haven't died yet by pissing everyone off, then you MIGHT have the board locked up and a chance on winning the attrition war. Either way, it's a really fun and annoying deck, which is what I was looking for. And you REALLY don't need Tor Wauki to win at all, he's just there to strike fear with his bow.
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As for the first deck, I'm going to pick up some of those cards on MTGO and give them a shot as soon as possible. What I like about it currently is that with all the "everyone attack" spells, I have a few cards that make it disadvantageous to attack me. Cards like Clatrops, Crawlspace, Hissing Miasma, Blood Reckoning, No Mercy, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs and Dread.
What I'm looking for are recommendations for cards that have similar effects like Goblin Diplomats/Fumiko the Lowblood where creatures must attack every turn, and more creatures that ping like Goblin Sharpshooter/Olivia Voldaren/etc paired with deathtouch equipment/effects. I'm still new to the format, so I can be pretty dumb when it comes to cards and staples.
Thanks for reading and let me know what you think!
@TeleranHorobi, Death's Wail is perfect! I tried looking for more similar effects to that and Death Pits of Rath, but couldn't find any, so I added a bit more "double damage" enchantments. I did some more research and found a lot of really cool options, but it's making me move away from the "all creatures attack each turn" option I was originally going for. It just doesn't seem to make as much sense with everything else except for the commander. The first and double strike options would make sense if I was going all in on that idea, because it would make combat a bit more favorable, but I think I might move away from that idea and just stick with the double damage/pinging/deathtouch. What do you think?
Let me know what you think of the changes, and if there's anything else I need to add. I still need 15 more cards to start trying this bad boy out!
try out maddening imp and it's ilk might interest you. Also there is a red enchantment I can't remember the name of that says when one or a player's creatures attacks all of that players creatures attack. Kamahl, Pit Fighter might fit the tim theme of the deck. Also Dictate of the twin gods as another furnace of wrath. And a couple more equipment/enchantments that give death touch like gorgon's head. You may want to get a couple of the cards that give multiple -1/-1 like black sun's zenith and toxic deluge. And Harvester of souls for more card draw.
Since I see you're already using Neko-te already, consider Ronin Cliffrider , they pair remarkably well, as does any deathtouch effect you may give him.
Total War makes certain that attacks are all out, no leaving blockers behind, War's toll has a similar effect but only for opponents, and only lets them use lands during one phase a turn (assuming no untaps)
If your forcing others to attack, you could go about making sure you're the least desirable target, Blood Reckoning, Hissing Miasma, both punish choosing you. Caltrops will ping all attacking creatures, and there are a number of curse enchantments that reward choosing others as the target.
If you really want to manipulate creatures base power and toughness, you may need to consider picking up a commander with white and/or Blue, sadly, as the ability usually at least shares one if not both of those colors.
All of these recommendations are amazing and hilarious. I was moving towards a more "ping/deathtouch" kind of deck, but I think (with those new suggestions) that I will move back toward the Everyone Attacks idea I had from the start. Royal Assassin paired with any of the everyone attacks enchantments, barring vigilance, will ALWAYS be viable and obnoxious. Endless Whispers seems like a sick chaos effect that could get political.
Blood Reckoning/Hissing Miasma/etc are perfect for "pseudo protection", Caltrops seems practically broken with Death Pits of Rath out on the board (although I wouldn't have creatures as well if I had an everyone attacks effect up.) Is there an effect like Caltrops that's only for opponents creatures?
I'm going to rework the list, adding those suggestions and probably a few more tutors for consistency. It looks like a lot of annoying 2-3 card combos, so a better chance to get them out at the same time seems preffered.
I'd like to add more card draw, and only Mind's Eye/Staff of Nin is coming to mind, while the latter pings. Any other good card draw in BR other than Phyrexian Arena?
And then a few more choices making sure attacks are unlikely to come at you Koskun Falls is your version of Propaganda Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs says come at me bro, keep in mind it will trigger for each creature.
And red just is not red without random chance enchantments, so in that spirit Impulsive Maneuvers
I updated the OP with the new deck and my updated version of the Ping Death deck. Let me know what you think! I'll be doing more testing on the Everyone Attacks deck when I get some free time.
So, I've been looking into making a (relatively) cheap, fun, annoying deck on MTGO with a rather unused commander. Nothing hyper competitive (I don't care if I win), but I at least want it's theme to work and have fun doing it.
These are the two Tor Wauki decks I'm working on/testing currently:
5 Tor Wauki
Creatures
1 Godo's Irregulars
1 Grim Lavamancer
2 Goblin Diplomats
2 Rix Maadi Guildmage
3 Blood Cultist
3 Fleshbag Marauder
3 Royal Assassin
3 Vampire Nighthawk
3 Viashino Heretic
4 Fumiko the Lowblood
4 Horobi, Death's Wail
4 Rakdos, Lord of Riots
5 Bloodgift Demon
5 Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
5 Master of Cruelties
5 Urabrask the Hidden
6 Deathbringer Thoctar
6 Dread
6 Harvester of Souls
6 Inferno Titan
7 Kaervek the Merciless
8 Avatar of Slaughter
Spells
1 Earthquake
1 Electrickery
1 Gamble
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Vandalblast
2 Dreadbore
2 Terminate
3 Chaos Warp
4 Chain Reaction
4 Diabolic Tutor
4 Wild Ricochet
5 Reforge the Soul
8 Insurrection
9 Blasphemous Act
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Solring
2 Rakdos Signet
2 Swiftfoot Boots
3 Caltrops
3 Crawlspace
3 Darksteel Ingot
3 Hammer of Purphoros
3 Mimic Vat
3 Rakdos Keyrune
4 Whip of Erebos
6 Staff of Nin
Enchantments
1 Mass Hysteria
3 Goblin Assault
3 Hissing Miasma
3 Invasion Plans
3 Repercussion
4 Blood Reckoning
4 Endless Whispers
4 Furnace of Rath
4 Grand Melee
4 No Mercy
4 War's Toll
5 Death Pits of Rath
Planeswalker
5 Liliana Vess
Lands
1 Akoum Refuge
1 Command Tower
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Forgotten Cave
13 Mountain
1 Rakdos Guildgate
1 Shivan Gorge
1 Stensia Bloodhall
1 Strip Mine
1 Sulfurous Springs
8 Swamp
1 Tainted Peak
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Vivid Crag
1 Vivid Marsh
5 Tor Wauki
Creatures
1 Grim Lavamancer
2 Ashling the Pilgrim
2 Cuombajj Witches
2 Goblin Diplomats
2 Onyx Mage
2 Rix Maadi Guildmage
3 Blood Cultist
3 Cunning Sparkmage
3 Goblin Sharpshooter
3 Rakdos Ickspitter
3 Viashino Heretic
3 War Elemental
4 Fumiko the Lowblood
4 Horobi, Death's Wail
4 Jeska, Warrior Adept
4 Olivia Voldaren
4 Rakdos, Lord of Riots
5 Bloodgift Demon
5 Kumano, Master Yamabushi
5 Lightning Reaver
5 Master of Cruelties
6 Archetype of Finality
6 Deathbringer Thoctar
6 Inferno Titan
6 Vampiric Dragon
Spells
1 Earthquake
1 Electrickery
1 Gamble
1 Vampiric Tutor
2 Dreadbore
2 Terminate
3 Chaos Warp
3 Flames of the Firebrand
3 Sudden Spoiling
4 Wild Ricochet
5 Increasing Ambition
8 Insurrection
9 Blasphemous Act
1 Basilisk Collar
1 Sol Ring
2 Gorgon Flail
2 Rakdos Signet
2 Swiftfoot Boots
3 Darksteel Ingot
3 Heartstone
3 Mimic Vat
3 Neko-Te
3 Quietus Spike
3 Rakdos Keyrune
4 Sword of Kaldra
6 Staff of Nin
Enchantments
3 Everlasting Torment
3 Repercussion
3 Underworld Connections
3 Witch's Mist
4 Furnace of Rath
4 Grand Melee
5 Death Pits of Rath
5 Gratuitous Violence
6 Warstorm Surge
Planeswalkers
4 Chandra, the Firebrand
5 Liliana Vess
Lands
1 Akoum Refuge
1 Command Tower
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Forgotten Cave
13 Mountain
1 Rakdos Guildgate
1 Shivan Gorge
1 Stensia Bloodhall
1 Strip Mine
1 Sulfurous Springs
8 Swamp
1 Tainted Peak
1 Temple of the False God
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Vivid Crag
1 Vivid Marsh
I've tested out the Death Ping deck a bit on MTGO and it's a blast to play. When a machine gun effect like Goblin Sharpshooter + Basilisk Collar happen, things start looking bleak for the rest of the table but not completely bleak. Since I don't have many cards that scream I WIN, the actual "win" can take a long time, especially with a few pingers out there doing a damage a turn. It is possible to win this way, though. I managed to win a multiplayer game on the backs of Chandra, the Firebrand + Staff of Nin + Death Pits of Rath pretty much saying "NO" to everything that entered the battlefield and slowly whittling everyone down, but it did take forever (it also helped that one of the other guys was playing a Zedruu the Greathearted pillowfort deck which stalled the game up)
The things I've learned about the deck after a few matches is that the early-game is nonexistent (i.e. no pressure, trying to set up the killing floor); the mid-game is doing more of the same, just better; and the end-game, if you haven't died yet by pissing everyone off, then you MIGHT have the board locked up and a chance on winning the attrition war. Either way, it's a really fun and annoying deck, which is what I was looking for. And you REALLY don't need Tor Wauki to win at all, he's just there to strike fear with his bow.
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As for the first deck, I'm going to pick up some of those cards on MTGO and give them a shot as soon as possible. What I like about it currently is that with all the "everyone attack" spells, I have a few cards that make it disadvantageous to attack me. Cards like Clatrops, Crawlspace, Hissing Miasma, Blood Reckoning, No Mercy, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs and Dread.
Other annoying combos include Death Pits of Rath paired with Grand Melee which essentially wipes the board; Death Pits of Rath + Caltrops + any "everyone attacks" spell. Urabrask the Hidden makes it easier for my dudes to attack through newly summoned creatures, and since a lot of creatures WILL be dying, Harvester of Souls will be drawing you a ton of cards.
What I'm looking for are recommendations for cards that have similar effects like Goblin Diplomats/Fumiko the Lowblood where creatures must attack every turn, and more creatures that ping like Goblin Sharpshooter/Olivia Voldaren/etc paired with deathtouch equipment/effects. I'm still new to the format, so I can be pretty dumb when it comes to cards and staples.
Thanks for reading and let me know what you think!
BU Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
BR Tor Wauki
BG Savra, Queen of the Golgari
BWURG Karona, False God
Standard
Currently nothing.
Modern
B 8-Rack
Casual
BW Pestilence
B Multiplayer Discard
Block Constructed
BWG Abzan Midrange
BU Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
BR Tor Wauki
BG Savra, Queen of the Golgari
BWURG Karona, False God
Standard
Currently nothing.
Modern
B 8-Rack
Casual
BW Pestilence
B Multiplayer Discard
Block Constructed
BWG Abzan Midrange
Also you may way to look into First / Double Strike of all kinds to avoid the downside to a lot of the cards you will be running.
Let me know what you think of the changes, and if there's anything else I need to add. I still need 15 more cards to start trying this bad boy out!
BU Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
BR Tor Wauki
BG Savra, Queen of the Golgari
BWURG Karona, False God
Standard
Currently nothing.
Modern
B 8-Rack
Casual
BW Pestilence
B Multiplayer Discard
Block Constructed
BWG Abzan Midrange
Total War makes certain that attacks are all out, no leaving blockers behind, War's toll has a similar effect but only for opponents, and only lets them use lands during one phase a turn (assuming no untaps)
If your forcing others to attack, you could go about making sure you're the least desirable target, Blood Reckoning, Hissing Miasma, both punish choosing you. Caltrops will ping all attacking creatures, and there are a number of curse enchantments that reward choosing others as the target.
If you really want to manipulate creatures base power and toughness, you may need to consider picking up a commander with white and/or Blue, sadly, as the ability usually at least shares one if not both of those colors.
Blood Reckoning/Hissing Miasma/etc are perfect for "pseudo protection", Caltrops seems practically broken with Death Pits of Rath out on the board (although I wouldn't have creatures as well if I had an everyone attacks effect up.) Is there an effect like Caltrops that's only for opponents creatures?
I'm going to rework the list, adding those suggestions and probably a few more tutors for consistency. It looks like a lot of annoying 2-3 card combos, so a better chance to get them out at the same time seems preffered.
I'd like to add more card draw, and only Mind's Eye/Staff of Nin is coming to mind, while the latter pings. Any other good card draw in BR other than Phyrexian Arena?
BU Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
BR Tor Wauki
BG Savra, Queen of the Golgari
BWURG Karona, False God
Standard
Currently nothing.
Modern
B 8-Rack
Casual
BW Pestilence
B Multiplayer Discard
Block Constructed
BWG Abzan Midrange
It costs a lot of mana, but Grave Betrayal seems perfect.
Also:
Mimic Vat
No Mercy
Blood Artist
Staff of Nin
Mindmoil
Vicious Shadows
Circle of Flame I think is the only one that just sits there, multi use, and only hits ground critters
Leonin Bladetrap hits anyone's creatures, but you chose when it applies, then it is gone.
You have at least two instants, which could be used out of the blue
Lava Storm
Scorching Winds
And then a few more choices making sure attacks are unlikely to come at you
Koskun Falls is your version of Propaganda
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs says come at me bro, keep in mind it will trigger for each creature.
And red just is not red without random chance enchantments, so in that spirit
Impulsive Maneuvers
BU Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
BR Tor Wauki
BG Savra, Queen of the Golgari
BWURG Karona, False God
Standard
Currently nothing.
Modern
B 8-Rack
Casual
BW Pestilence
B Multiplayer Discard
Block Constructed
BWG Abzan Midrange
Hundred-Handed One and deathtouch would be funny.
Perhaps the curses? Curse of Shallow Graves, etc.
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