This is deck #1 I'm building after turning my collection into a Commander Cube and allowing myself to build decks from my entire collection. However, it is also the first deck I'm building with a power restriction so that I don't have a large advantage in my league. So please keep that in mind when offering suggestions.
(The cards with a (*) are not part of the cube for ease of deck-building.)
Mana base
I like your mana base, its got a good balance between basics and nonbasics, so even if you are only playing low powerlevel games, it means you aren't blown out by cards like Ruination. But there are some other good nonbasics to consider.
Desolate Lighthouse is good in Jhoira decks that don't try and explode in turn 1-2. It gives you some midgame filtering. And you can keep your mana open to counter, suspend or filter.
Cascade Bluffs/Temple of Epiphany are two more duals if you want. But if you don't have its not a big deal. Also you spelt Sulfur Falls wrong.
Crucible of Worlds works with your two search lands, tect edge and strip mine. You don't need it with this list, but if you make some changes, add more "draw sevens" etc etc, just think about it.Artifacts Tezzeret the Seeker. You play a bunch of artifacts, some of them are silver bullets. Tezzeret gives you a way to search up relevant ones like Torpor Orb, or graveyard hate.
Trinket Mage/Treasure Mage. Could be good. Fetch your big guys like Duplicant and Steel Hellkite when you need them.Creatures Diluvian Primordial. You're playing Molten Primordial, just a thought. I'm not sure if its "too powerful". Actually I'm not sure how powerful is "too powerful". I really like Akroma for blue players, you could consider that? Or other big dumb beaters like Inkwell Leviathan.
Bogardan Hellkite. Not this card exactly, but you have cards like Inferno Titan and you could easily play a few more "hit people for a bunch" dudes. They combo with your Gratuitous Violence for a big bunch of noninfinite damage.Time counters Fury Charm. You really should play this. Its so versatile. I'd be playing it before Clockspinning that's for sure.
Rift Elemental. I see people suggest Jhoira's Timebug all the time, but I'd play this guy first. He's not free like Timebug, but he can hit for 5+ easily, and he's balanced in my opinion.Board wipes
I don't know what your games are like, so maybe you need some better board wipes? For creatures that need to die, not be bounced or for creatures with haste.
Blasphemous Act. 13 damage to all creatures for R. I also like Inferno in casual decks.
Evacuation. Instant speed. It works well with your counterspells and Jhoira so you can leave mana up.Card draw Thirst for Knowledge. Pitch artifacts that you don't want. You've got a few.
Reforge the Soul. Cheap Wheel of Fortune number 2 if you wanted to play more.
Preordain. The problem with Brainstorm and Halimar Depths in your deck is that you don't have all the fetches. So you're going to have dead cards and can't shuffle. So I'd give some thought as to wether Brainstorm is better than Preordain (or not exactly Preordain, but something like that).
[b]Mana base[/b]
I like your mana base, its got a good balance between basics and nonbasics, so even if you are only playing low powerlevel games, it means you aren't blown out by cards like Ruination. But there are some other good nonbasics to consider.
Desolate Lighthouse is good in Jhoira decks that don't try and explode in turn 1-2. It gives you some midgame filtering. And you can keep your mana open to counter, suspend or filter. [B]I like it. Hadn't considered it but I probably will.[/b]
Cascade Bluffs/Temple of Epiphany are two more duals if you want. But if you don't have its not a big deal. Also you spelt Sulfur Falls wrong. [B]Lies! I never misspell anything. I don't own a Bluffs, but when I get Temple in the mail it will go in the deck.[/b]
Crucible of Worlds works with your two search lands, tect edge and strip mine. You don't need it with this list, but if you make some changes, add more "draw sevens" etc etc, just think about it. [B]True, but I don't think I want the combo in the deck.[/b]
[b]Artifacts[/b] Tezzeret the Seeker. You play a bunch of artifacts, some of them are silver bullets. Tezzeret gives you a way to search up relevant ones like Torpor Orb, or graveyard hate. [B]Don't own. Sadface. [/b]
Relic of Progenitus/Scrabbling Claws. Dunno what your games are like, but you might need graveyard hate? [B]Grave hate isn't huge, but it doesn't hurt either.[/b]
Trinket Mage/Treasure Mage. Could be good. Fetch your big guys like Duplicant and Steel Hellkite when you need them. [B]Trying to limit the tutors.[/b]
[b]Creatures[/b] Diluvian Primordial. You're playing Molten Primordial, just a thought. I'm not sure if its "too powerful". Actually I'm not sure how powerful is "too powerful". I really like Akroma for blue players, you could consider that? Or other big dumb beaters like Inkwell Leviathan. [B]Not sure why I didn't add D. Prime.[/b]
Bogardan Hellkite. Not this card exactly, but you have cards like Inferno Titan and you could easily play a few more "hit people for a bunch" dudes. They combo with your Gratuitous Violence for a big bunch of noninfinite damage. [B]Yeah, still looking for dumb beaters. [/b]
[b]Time counters[/b] Fury Charm. You really should play this. Its so versatile. I'd be playing it before Clockspinning that's for sure. [B]I did not know about this card. I will look for one.[/b]
Rift Elemental. I see people suggest Jhoira's Timebug all the time, but I'd play this guy first. He's not free like Timebug, but he can hit for 5+ easily, and he's balanced in my opinion. [B]Huh, interesting.[/b]
[b]Board wipes[/b]
I don't know what your games are like, so maybe you need some better board wipes? For creatures that need to die, not be bounced or for creatures with haste.
Blasphemous Act. 13 damage to all creatures for R. I also like Inferno in casual decks. [B]Yes, creature swarms are an issue so this wouldn't hurt.[/b]
Evacuation. Instant speed. It works well with your counterspells and Jhoira so you can leave mana up. [B]I actually bought about it and decided to go with Dev Tide. This wouldn't be a bad backup though.[/b]
[b]Card draw[/b] Thirst for Knowledge. Pitch artifacts that you don't want. You've got a few. [B]I was going for more punch with my draw. Not a bad card though.[/b]
Reforge the Soul. Cheap Wheel of Fortune number 2 if you wanted to play more. [B]Considered it but didn't add it for no good reason.[/b]
Preordain. The problem with Brainstorm and Halimar Depths in your deck is that you don't have all the fetches. So you're going to have dead cards and can't shuffle. So I'd give some thought as to wether Brainstorm is better than Preordain (or not exactly Preordain, but something like that). [B]Good point.[/b]
The Crucible of Worlds combo with Strip Mine doesn't really work outside green. You'd need to bribery Azusa to make it work in Jhoira. Because without the ability to play extra lands, all you do is screw you and another player out of land drops. Then a third player wins the game. Its part of that whole "land destruction isn't the problem, bad players using land destruction is the problem". So in Jhoira, I use it to combo with cards like cycle lands, Tolaria West and fetches to make sure I hit all my land drops. Also with draw spells that discard.
I have a guide for Jhoira in my signature. Its going to be more competitive than you're after, but I have put a lot of effort into it, and maybe reading it would give you some card ideas.
Your curve looks a bit too fair for Jhoira to be really crazy in here. I also dont see enough MLD in here as I expect to see in a Jhoira deck. It looks like you have some pet cards in here too. Are you sure Jhoira is the right commander for this list? Even with the whole power restriction have you considered the thought of just sliding Nin, the Pain Artist in as the commander?
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Your curve looks a bit too fair for Jhoira to be really crazy in here. I also dont see enough MLD in here as I expect to see in a Jhoira deck. It looks like you have some pet cards in here too. Are you sure Jhoira is the right commander for this list? Even with the whole power restriction have you considered the thought of just sliding Nin, the Pain Artist in as the commander?
Nope, Jhoira is defintely the commander I want. I have wanted to build a deck around her for a long time now. As I said, I don't want any MLD, Eldrazi, or other stuff that makes her so hated. Hell, I don't even run Time Spiral.
(The cards with a (*) are not part of the cube for ease of deck-building.)
1 Jhoira of the Ghitu
Lands
1 Command Tower
1 Desolate Lighthouse
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Forgotten Cave
12 Island
1 Izzet Boilerworks
1 Lonely Sandbar
8 Mountain
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Shivan Reef (*)
1 Steam Vents
1 Strip Mine
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Temple of the False God
1 Temple of Epiphany
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Thawing Glaciers
Artifacts
1 Sol Ring
1 Wayfarer's Bauble
2 Izzet Signet
2 Lightning Greaves
2 Scroll Rack
3 Crystal Ball
5 Gilded Lotus
5 Memory Jar
5 Mind's Eye
2 Nin, the Pain Artist
3 Burnished Hart
3 Thada Adel, Acquisitor
3 Thassa, God of the Sea
3 Viashino Heretic
4 Archaeomancer
4 Clone
4 Dack's Duplicate
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Slithermuse
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Lu Xun, Scholar General
5 Izzet Chronarch
5 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
5 Mercurial Chemister
5 Mulldrifter
6 Conquering Manticore
6 Duplicant
6 Etherium-Horn Sorcerer
6 Inferno Titan
6 Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
6 Sphinx of Magosi
6 Steel Hellkite
6 Wurmcoil Engine
7 Balefire Dragon
7 Diluvian Primordial
7 Molten Primordial
7 Sphinx of Uthuun
8 Kederekt Leviathan
10 Deep-Sea Kraken
3 Rhystic Study
4 Stranglehold
5 Possibility Storm
Instants
1 Clockspinning (*)
2 Cyclonic Rift
2 Fury Charm (*)
2 Miscalculation (*)
3 Chaos Warp
3 Complicate (*)
3 Hinder
3 Spell Crumple
Sorceries
1 Vandalblast
1 Winds of Change
3 Wheel of Fortune
3 Windfall
4 Rite of Replication
5 Bribery
5 Devastation Tide
5 Reforge the Soul
5 Time Reversal (*)
6 Mind's Desire (*)
6 Recurring Insight
6 Spelltwine
8 Insurrection
9 Blasphemous Act
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i've had jhoira's timebug stick for quite a while actually and it can help cause 'surprise' blockers (seriously, some people forget).
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I want to keep the power level down, so even though I own all of them I choose not to run any. I don't have a Timebug but I may look into that.
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I like your mana base, its got a good balance between basics and nonbasics, so even if you are only playing low powerlevel games, it means you aren't blown out by cards like Ruination. But there are some other good nonbasics to consider.
Desolate Lighthouse is good in Jhoira decks that don't try and explode in turn 1-2. It gives you some midgame filtering. And you can keep your mana open to counter, suspend or filter.
Cascade Bluffs/Temple of Epiphany are two more duals if you want. But if you don't have its not a big deal. Also you spelt Sulfur Falls wrong.
Forgotten Cave/Smoldering Crater/Lonely Sandbar/Remote Isle. I'm a huge fan of these in Jhoira because you sometimes stall out and its nice to just filter.
Crucible of Worlds works with your two search lands, tect edge and strip mine. You don't need it with this list, but if you make some changes, add more "draw sevens" etc etc, just think about it.
Artifacts
Tezzeret the Seeker. You play a bunch of artifacts, some of them are silver bullets. Tezzeret gives you a way to search up relevant ones like Torpor Orb, or graveyard hate.
Relic of Progenitus/Scrabbling Claws. Dunno what your games are like, but you might need graveyard hate?
Trinket Mage/Treasure Mage. Could be good. Fetch your big guys like Duplicant and Steel Hellkite when you need them.
Creatures
Diluvian Primordial. You're playing Molten Primordial, just a thought. I'm not sure if its "too powerful". Actually I'm not sure how powerful is "too powerful". I really like Akroma for blue players, you could consider that? Or other big dumb beaters like Inkwell Leviathan.
Bogardan Hellkite. Not this card exactly, but you have cards like Inferno Titan and you could easily play a few more "hit people for a bunch" dudes. They combo with your Gratuitous Violence for a big bunch of noninfinite damage.
Time counters
Fury Charm. You really should play this. Its so versatile. I'd be playing it before Clockspinning that's for sure.
Rift Elemental. I see people suggest Jhoira's Timebug all the time, but I'd play this guy first. He's not free like Timebug, but he can hit for 5+ easily, and he's balanced in my opinion.
Board wipes
I don't know what your games are like, so maybe you need some better board wipes? For creatures that need to die, not be bounced or for creatures with haste.
Blasphemous Act. 13 damage to all creatures for R. I also like Inferno in casual decks.
Evacuation. Instant speed. It works well with your counterspells and Jhoira so you can leave mana up.
Card draw
Thirst for Knowledge. Pitch artifacts that you don't want. You've got a few.
Reforge the Soul. Cheap Wheel of Fortune number 2 if you wanted to play more.
Blue Sun's Zenith/Stroke of Genius/Opportunity/Thoughtflare/Overwhelming Intellect. Big dumb draw spells if you find that cards like Borrowing 100,000 arrows isn't working out for you.
Preordain. The problem with Brainstorm and Halimar Depths in your deck is that you don't have all the fetches. So you're going to have dead cards and can't shuffle. So I'd give some thought as to wether Brainstorm is better than Preordain (or not exactly Preordain, but something like that).
See bolded answer. Thanks for all the input.
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There's Dragon Mage for card draw and a big dumb beater. And of course there is also Keranos, God of Storms.
I have a guide for Jhoira in my signature. Its going to be more competitive than you're after, but I have put a lot of effort into it, and maybe reading it would give you some card ideas.
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Nope, Jhoira is defintely the commander I want. I have wanted to build a deck around her for a long time now. As I said, I don't want any MLD, Eldrazi, or other stuff that makes her so hated. Hell, I don't even run Time Spiral.
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