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Palladia-Mors, Lands Combo

So if you have seen my earlier Thread, I am wantign to make a bear hug deck. I help ramp everyone to excessive amounts with stuff like:

• Collective Voyage
  
• Veteran Explorer
  
• Rites of Flourishing
  
• New Frontiers
  
• Clear the Land

and the from there hurt them with stuff like:

• Ankh of Mishra
  
• Tunnel Ingus
  
• Zo-Zu the Punisher

Now this is a key peice to the true combo. The big combo involves Mass Land Destruction such as:

• Armageddon
  
• Global Ruin
  
• Decree of Annihilation

and then add in stuff like:
Second Sunrise or Planar Birth with Zo-Zu the Punisher out to kill them outright.


Currently I am looking for people's ideas for the deck and other card choices and such.

Thank in advance for any help!


Sidenote: I don't own this yet and am Just doing theoretical work with it now. I will be proxying it 6/9/14 and start testing then but until I get back any results it is a theoretical work.

I think this deck could operate like a Nekusar deck in doubling its big spells for quicker and explosive kills, this would be done by red copying effects, like Reiterate, Reverberate, Wild Ricochet and Increasing Vengeance. This could also copy your own spells. I need to find name, but there is an artifact that draws you card when a land is played I think, would also help if you play more lands than them.

How do you survive your own spells?
I suggest adding Zuran Orb -> Sac all -> gain life -> 'Geddon -> Second Sunrise.

Glacial Chasm is always a fun, effectively uncounterable card for this kind of deck, but suffers due to part B of game planning killing the lands it summons. Some LG does sound helpful.

Couldn't your opponents simply choose not to find basic lands to avoid being ramped into damage?

Okay so I had some Ideas of my own after posting this and wanted opinions on them:

-stony silence - I realized I don't play any mana rocks and that this could help me force others to rely on land ramp for acceleration.

but now to respond to ideas of others:
@MiffedMoogle - the copying spells could be really fun. When I start testing tonight I will have to try using them. and Glacial Chasm sound like a lot of fun. My one is in another deck but I'll move it over like a bunch of the cards in the deck to test.

@Juwdah - I should survive my own spells via Shattered Angel Tamanoa and Courser of Kruphix. I will try out Zuran Orb I mean I have one so that is an easy test once again.


and finally @Gelf - I normally am not going to drop the mass ramp if i have hurt out. the ramp is there to get land counts high while i start preping to destroy lands then force them to return.

Fair enough.

There are some similarities with my Torsten Von Ursus deck (in sig.)

I run the mass ramp spells, and then lock people out with Nature's Revolt and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite or Linvala, Keeper of Silence that leave my lands in tact, but prevent opponents having lands, playing any new lands, or using lands to produce mana

I really liked the Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite Idea. I actually have one sitting in my binder that i have been trying to place somewhere were she can be used super effictively. kinda forgot how fun she is with Kamahl. I also really liked the Captain Sisay as a toolbox idea as my main creatures are legends such as: Zo-Zu the Punisher, Gaddock Teeg, Kamahl, Fist of Krosa Azusa, Lost but Seeking, and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite once I add her.


I like the idea of land Locking but I want to kill them with the lands returning but Im going to try the deck with landlocking.

Some more thoughts I am having now that I have proxied the deck. The combo is relatively easy to set up but i need more land destruction and I don't want to wipe creatures out also so I found Cleansing and wanted thoughts on it. I am curious on your repsonses.


But further more on testing:

The combo works!!!! That was one of the biggest worries I was having. I did set up the Azusa, lost but seeking strip mine crucible of world combo out and removed a lot of land via that and won from none having land but On another game I got the combo out and ruined everyone for about 20 damage. It was turn 10 so not the fastest combo in the world but it set up!

But the big thing I found that was amazing was the captain sisay toolbox was to setting up the combo but fiurther more enabling different threats to save my combo from removal. Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite became target #1 and Zo-Zu the Punisher survive 4 more turns.

Horn of Greed perhaps? Seems good in your deck

Horn of Greed is a card I am avoiding because I don't need them drawing more cards with how much land I am handing most decks. my 3 test games each deck had 20 land on the field minus the Kozilek deck which just hated me...

Quote from Juwdah »

How do you survive your own spells?
I suggest adding Zuran Orb -> Sac all -> gain life -> 'Geddon -> Second Sunrise.

Okay I was stupid to not consider Zuran orb. After a game last week I gained close to 30 some life off this little guy. Thank you for reminding me that this was a card.

Otherwise testing has been going great I have a few changes:

Drops:

Terravore The beat stick wasn't relevant enough. It was really fun once I wiped lands for a turn but only during that did it shine and I have KotR for that same purpose but the Knight gives me a land tutor in addition.

Burning Inquiry and winds of change both were replaced with actual draw creatures:heartwood story teller and primordial sage.

Additions:

Ajani Vengeant - Its been a very nice kill target player with his ult. Otherwise provides a very nice tapdown effect.

heartwood story teller and primordial sage - Provide the much needed draw power that this deck was lacking.


But in other good news I only need 3 more cards and I'll have the whole list for actual playing. Now if I could only find a Legends Palladia-Mors for cheap...

I'm thinking of bringing the deck back. I posted a completely new build of it and would love some new input.

Quote from Force of Ill »

Yes! Yes! Yes!
I've been playing with a "lands matter" deck with Gahiji at the Helm.

I find that adding a Mirror Entity can be an added win-con. Or a protective Boardwipe with Omnath onboard.

Also, you don't have that much tutors, deliberatly?

Also, Cards like Leonin Arbiter, Aven Mindcensor and stranglehold allow you as the only one to search for lands + shuts down alot of opposing tutors. With the wasteland/stripmine/ghost quarter lock, you can lock them out! Thoughts?

Part of my decks main thing is to mass ramp out so I can "force" them to take damage. So I'm going to cut the search cards but otherwise I like the Mirror Entity idea a lot. Tutors just are something I try not to use excessively but I probably should be using more often especially with how essential some cards are to the game plan.

Personal Sanctuary or Purity would be really good with Ankh of Mishra et al. But between Tunneling Geopede, Cosi's Ravager and Embodiment of Fury (with Amulet of Vigor in play), you should be able to win with a big enough New Frontiers more reliably. There are a lot of decks out there that only run like five basics so the Planar Birth + Zo-Zu combo seems like it should be a backup plan.

I am also noticing that the grouphug ramping is pretty useless for decks that run few basic lands. I suggest From the Ashes since is breaks all nonbasic lands and haves opponents search for any basics in their deck. Ruination is another mass and destruction spell - even if it's only for nonbasics. When facing decks that have such few basics in it, your endgame can be pretty far away because they'd be ramping at a slower pace than those with many basics. What do you have in mind for these situations?

Quote from MiffedMoogle »

I think this deck could operate like a Nekusar deck in doubling its big spells for quicker and explosive kills, this would be done by red copying effects, like Reiterate, Reverberate, Wild Ricochet and Increasing Vengeance. This could also copy your own spells. I need to find name, but there is an artifact that draws you card when a land is played I think, would also help if you play more lands than them.

Something to consider whenever you run fork effects: what if you copy Tooth and Nail?! Throw in a combo you can fetch to kill them with their own spell! Only takes 2 slots up.

Mirari's also good for copying spells, thus allowing you to copy cards like Collective Voyage and New Frontiers to really take that X value to another level. It also allows you to copy a mass land destruction spell and Second Sunrise meaning that the entire desired effect happens twice.

Quote from OldRoland »

Something to consider whenever you run fork effects: what if you copy Tooth and Nail?! Throw in a combo you can fetch to kill them with their own spell! Only takes 2 slots up.

I second adding Tooth and Nail.