PATRON OF THE OROCHI
I’ve tried a few times to make a respectable mono-colored EDH deck, and I think I’ve made a cool one with this guy in charge. It is a creature focused, heavy ramp, low land library, and it is stocked full of effects that I can use any turn with my untapped forests. The more players, the more centaurs, wolves and ants coming out to attack. Other effects take the double mana available on my turn and help the tokens deal lethal damage.
I’ve played about a dozen games with it, and I’m still trying to find a balance between the land and the ramp. I only have 30 lands (not counting Arena), but can get half of them out in a game.
The Patron untaps my lands and creatures on my turn, so I have double mana when he’s in play. Then, since he untaps himself, he can untap everything again on each of my opponents’ turns. So in a four player game, I can use each forest 5 times each game turn. Ideal scenario would be ramping up to an early Patron of the Orochi with a Thousand Year Elixir, Centaur Glade, and Elder of Laurels in play. If people can’t stop me, they won’t be around for long.
Any and all suggestions will be appreciated and considered! I’m particularly looking for good ways to protect my board state and / or recover from board wipes, which is an early problem for this deck. Thanks in advance for your help!
Do you find that only having 30 mana producing lands is enough? I rarely run less than 36 and still see problems. Your curve ends quite high for a deck with so few lands.
Elvish Aberration is pretty weak. At a 4/5 for 6, he's not cost effective. As a mana dork, he's late to the party at best. And as a way to get a forest, why not just run a forest? Changeling Titan is just bad. Nemesis of Mortals is a large guy that gets chump blocked.
Yes, Kazandu Tuskcaller makes guys, but he dies to EVERYTHING. Seriously, he'd probably drop dead if someone sneezed in his general direction.
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A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
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"Perfect!"
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I run such a low amount of lands because I have tons of ramp and fetch cards. Its something I'm trying out. I usually take a 2 land hand and can work with it, but if I find I'm not dropping enough lands, I'll add some more.
I don't like cards like Genesis Wave and Craterhoof Behemoth that I can just play and immediately win the game with. Its just who I am as a player, I don't think I'd get any joy from winning off a moster Genesis Wave, its not creative enough.
Changeling Titan is fun, because he can champion my ETB creatures, and then I can use him as a snake offering to cast the Patron cheaper and at instant speed. Nemesis of Mortals is also in there for a cheap snake offering late in the game. Patron of the Orochi starts out costing 8 so he can get expensive very quickly...
Yeah, I should probably at least add a Vernal Bloom.
"The distance between genius and insanity... Is measured only by success."
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
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I’ve tried a few times to make a respectable mono-colored EDH deck, and I think I’ve made a cool one with this guy in charge. It is a creature focused, heavy ramp, low land library, and it is stocked full of effects that I can use any turn with my untapped forests. The more players, the more centaurs, wolves and ants coming out to attack. Other effects take the double mana available on my turn and help the tokens deal lethal damage.
1 Patron of the Orochi
Lands
30 Forest
1 Arena
Creatures
1 Ulvenwald Tracker
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Sylvan Ranger
1 Lotus Cobra
1 Kazandu Tuskcaller
1 Shinen of Life's Roar
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Nantuko Mentor
1 Elder of Laurels
1 Eternal Witness
1 Wild Beastmaster
1 Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro
1 Chameleon Colossus
1 Karametra's Acolyte
1 Zoologist
1 Nylea, God of the Hunt
1 Wildheart Invoker
1 Wren's Run Packmaster
1 Nullmage Shepherd
1 Changeling Titan
1 Ant Queen
1 Silklash Spider
1 Acidic Slime
1 Elvish Aberration
1 Sakiko, Mother of Summer
1 Nemesis of Mortals
1 Kamahl, Fist of Krosa
1 Bane of Progress
1 Brutalizer Exarch
1 Regal Force
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Call of the Wild
1 Asceticism
1 Centaur Glade
1 Spawning Grounds
Instants
1 Summoner's Pact
1 Worldly Tutor
1 Sprout Swarm
1 Evolution Charm
1 Hunter's Insight
1 Sprouting Vines
1 Krosan Grip
1 Beast Within
1 Chord of Calling
Sorcery
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Enshrined Memories
1 Rampant Grown
1 Revive
1 Cultivate
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Search for Tomorrow
1 Growth Spasm
1 Harmonize
1 Skyshroud Claim
1 Explosive Vegitation
1 Hunting Wilds
1 Ranger's Path
1 Creeping Renaissance
1 Boundless Realms
1 Tooth and Nail
1 Horizon Spellbomb
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Thousand-Year Elixir
I’ve played about a dozen games with it, and I’m still trying to find a balance between the land and the ramp. I only have 30 lands (not counting Arena), but can get half of them out in a game.
The Patron untaps my lands and creatures on my turn, so I have double mana when he’s in play. Then, since he untaps himself, he can untap everything again on each of my opponents’ turns. So in a four player game, I can use each forest 5 times each game turn. Ideal scenario would be ramping up to an early Patron of the Orochi with a Thousand Year Elixir, Centaur Glade, and Elder of Laurels in play. If people can’t stop me, they won’t be around for long.
Any and all suggestions will be appreciated and considered! I’m particularly looking for good ways to protect my board state and / or recover from board wipes, which is an early problem for this deck. Thanks in advance for your help!
Illusionist's Bracers your general
Journeyer's Kite > Horizon Spellbomb
In this case Wood Elves > Farhaven Elf
Dawntreader Elk?
Burnished Hart?
Gaea's Cradle is da nutz!
Terrain Generator sounds like a win to me.
Rings of Brighthearth is hilarious with your general.
Rings of Brighthearth is really good with fetch lands
Magewright's Stone compliments Thousand-Year Elixir nicely.
Stuff that makes your forests do more work should be good too.
Caged Sun
Gauntlet of Power
Vernal Bloom
Extraplanar Lens (you may want to switch to Snow-Covered Forests for this one)
Do you find that only having 30 mana producing lands is enough? I rarely run less than 36 and still see problems. Your curve ends quite high for a deck with so few lands.
Where are Craterhoof Behemoth and Avenger of Zendikar?
No Rancor?
I'll assume no Survival of the Fittest because you can't find/afford one.
No Fauna Shaman?
No Genesis?
You could easily abuse the hell out of Staff of Domination here.
You could probably benefit from Tower of Fortunes too.
Sylvan Library is good.
Vedalken Orrery turns every turn into your turn!
Winding Canyons is sorta like above
Seedborn Muse says hi
Genesis Wave! Seriously, how did you miss this one?
Gelatinous Genesis is another army-in-a-can type card.
Elvish Aberration is pretty weak. At a 4/5 for 6, he's not cost effective. As a mana dork, he's late to the party at best. And as a way to get a forest, why not just run a forest?
Changeling Titan is just bad.
Nemesis of Mortals is a large guy that gets chump blocked.
Yes, Kazandu Tuskcaller makes guys, but he dies to EVERYTHING. Seriously, he'd probably drop dead if someone sneezed in his general direction.
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-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
I run such a low amount of lands because I have tons of ramp and fetch cards. Its something I'm trying out. I usually take a 2 land hand and can work with it, but if I find I'm not dropping enough lands, I'll add some more.
Yeah I should add Praetor's Council since I'm already running Creeping Renaissance.
Things like Illusionist Bracers, Rings of Brighthearth, and Seedborn Muse seem like win-more cards to me. But I will try them out if I find I can't pump out enough tokens with the amount of mana I already make.
Thanks for pointing out the better versions of things like Revive. I will gladly fix those!
I like the Tower of Fortunes and Staff of Domination recommendations, will definitely try those out.
I don't like cards like Genesis Wave and Craterhoof Behemoth that I can just play and immediately win the game with. Its just who I am as a player, I don't think I'd get any joy from winning off a moster Genesis Wave, its not creative enough.
Changeling Titan is fun, because he can champion my ETB creatures, and then I can use him as a snake offering to cast the Patron cheaper and at instant speed. Nemesis of Mortals is also in there for a cheap snake offering late in the game. Patron of the Orochi starts out costing 8 so he can get expensive very quickly...
Yeah, I should probably at least add a Vernal Bloom.
Gelatinous Genesis seems fun! I cut Wurmcalling but still want to try and make it work sometime.
Thanks for the suggestions guys!
WTF, where is your Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary?
Karona, Warden of AlcatrazWUBRG
The EPIC EDHWUBRG
Sun Quan Aggro1U
Animar GoodstuffRUG
Horobi MBCB
Medomai NerfWU
Saffi EriksdotterGW
Zur (CF)WUB
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."