So, my brother has had a Lazav deck for quite a while, and while the deck isn't following a set theme, nor filled with ultra powerful cards, it's still fun to play, fun to play against, and manages to pull out some surprising power. Similarly, he has run Lazav in his Sliver Queen deck, where Lazav becomes a prominent threat very quickly.
While Hexproof Commanders (or creatures in general) have always had the capacity to become extremely threatening, Lazav takes it to a new level without exterior support. Simply put, there are many threatening creatures in Commander. Threatening Creatures have a rather remarkable tendency to quickly become a non-threatening dead thing. Lazav, thus, tends to become the potentially most threatening thing... with hexproof.
On top of this, since he can keep upgrading, some bonuses can continue to apply. An early Lazav the Scute Mob is quite a terrifying sight to behold. When he then upgrades into a Lazav the Soul of the Harvest with 10 +1/+1 counters... he's downright terrifying.
This deck follows a few key ideas, but I'm not yet happy on the overall balance and mix. Changes are sure to (eventually) follow. The concept is simple: Lazav wants things to die, and Lazav likes counters. Since he is hexproof, I also don't need to be as terribly worried about auras being a bad investment (though Ordeal of Erebos did not make the cut at this time, sadly).
A few cards that I have seen be effective are also omitted in order to play differently from my Brother's deck. (Zur's Weirding, Oath of Scholars)
Plague Wind is a great call. I think all of mine are in my Horde deck, which would be why I failed to find them earlier. Thanks for the suggestion!
While there's no set rule for a budget, you are right in that I don't own an Overwhelming Forces, and sadly, will likely not own one for quite a while. =P
Incidentally, these (or at least, Plague Wind) would solve my issue with lack of wraths in the deck, which is troubling me currently.
Plague Wind is a great call. I think all of mine are in my Horde deck, which would be why I failed to find them earlier. Thanks for the suggestion!
While there's no set rule for a budget, you are right in that I don't own an Overwhelming Forces, and sadly, will likely not own one for quite a while. =P
Plague Wind is preeeetty amazing in black EDH decks to begin with, but even more so in Lazav.
EDIT 2: Electric Boogaloo: Duuuuude. Ill-Gotten Gains. Woah man, it's a beating. I'm a big fan of it here.
Mask of Memory I like, but I think I want to try the discard a bit. It'll probably come out rather quickly from this build, thought I think the shroud stands some uses in other ideas. Right now, while I like the Mask of Memory (a lot), neither it, nor cloak are needed in this deck.
Mimic Vat is a good card, and may warrant a slot in here due to capitalizing on good deaths, though it tends to be a grand old target and draw a lot of hate in my meta. Especially if I can pull out the Clock of Omens with it.
Bottomless Pit and friends (from my sygg deck) may make a future appearance in a different, more control oriented Lazav. Keeping it in mind for the future.
Dauthi Embrace vs. Traitors. I like both, and Traitors is less color intensive to drop as a surprise. Even the flashback can be highly relevant due to the Embrace being destroyed before the next turn.
Decree of pain actually got cut due to cost. At that mana cost I'm willing to allow it if it keeps Lazav around, but I have plenty other sources of card draw available. I'd even run All is Dust currently before it, as I imagine with a bit of fore-planning, it shouldn't be hard to make lazav colorless.
I like Ill-Gotten Gains. Ill need to keep that in mind as well, and see if I have one buried in my boxes and stacks of cards.
I'd rather run the Kaldra Package over the plate, and due to Lazav's difficulty to kill already, i'd rather run the black regenerating ring equipment thing over those. I'm just not seeing the benefit to invest so much to protect a guy that is hard to kill already. I mean, I should run Damnation already. It's a good card, and if Lazav dies... well, clearly it was still advantageous to cast it, or I wouldn't have. Not everything needs to be cute.
What would you cut for more space for wraths? I'm thinking 2-4 total wraths should be good, probably 3 is ok. Rain, Damnation, and AIDs is probably the package to run, I'm thinking.
FYI, the ring, Reiver Demon and Hellfire all suffer the same problem:
Lazav is actually rarely ever black. =P
One of the equips I ran when I had Lazav built was Trepanation Blade. It's weaker than Body and Mind due to not giving protections/tokens and it's swingy mill amount, but the on attack trigger was better to me than the on-hit trigger, and tended to have a lower threat level due to not being a Sword of X and Y.
It's a nice feeling to swing with a 3/3 Lazav strapped with the blade, and have him shapeshift into an Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre before blocks. Sure, you miss the annihilator trigger, but life can't always be magical christmas land.
As it stands, I like the focus on being more of a U/B control deck with a mill-for-profit theme instead of a U/B Mill-To-Win deck like most tried to build around him when he was spoiled. He played much better and smoother that way to me.
It's definitely worth a shot. It solidified itself in my deck the first time I played the pile with the following sequence (me with lazav, Omnath, and GR Wort)
Omnath proceeded to go through a loop of Early Harvest and Regrowth effects to generate a boat load of mana and commander damaged out Wort with an army of of beast tokens made with Hunting Pack.
I'm holding Damnation and my board consists of only Mana, Lazav, Blade, and a few utility enchantments like Phyrexian Arena.... so I equip blade to lazav, activate rogue's passage and swing figuring if nothing else I can at least Damnation after. Omnath mills 7 cards to the trigger, one of which being a Worldspine Wurm and shapeshifts into an unblockable 22/15 general.
I like the trep blade. That may be the replacement for the specter shroud I'm looking for.
Amazingly, this might be the one deck in the universe that Trepanation Blade is wanted in. It's better than the Shroud, that's for damn sure.
I recommended Decree of Pain due to the cycling, actually. Being able to wipe the utility guys is always nice, especially when it dodges your main man and when it replaces itself. The big version is great, but I wouldn't bother counting on it too much. Also, sometimes, turning Lazav into a utility guy might be cool (imagine cycling decree to morph lazav into a weathered wayfarer, using the wayfarer ability, then next turn killing something serious off via a direct kill effect). Seems fun to me.
Amazingly, this might be the one deck in the universe that Trepanation Blade is wanted in. It's better than the Shroud, that's for damn sure.
I recommended Decree of Pain due to the cycling, actually. Being able to wipe the utility guys is always nice, especially when it dodges your main man and when it replaces itself. The big version is great, but I wouldn't bother counting on it too much. Also, sometimes, turning Lazav into a utility guy might be cool (imagine cycling decree to morph lazav into a weathered wayfarer, using the wayfarer ability, then next turn killing something serious off via a direct kill effect). Seems fun to me.
Lazav still has the -2 as well, so unless you have +1 counters on him, shifting him down may lead to death.
I play Lazav as more of a discard and control type than a mill type as well. The only mill I have are repeatable effects that are good on their own, like Sword of Body and Mind. One of my favorite cards in my deck is Seer's Vision. It gives you a ton of information, and can immediately turn Lazav into the best creature anyone is holding if you so choose.
I scooped, as I had Executioner's Capsule, 6 other baubles, on top of all that, and I didn't want to math.
I think the play of choice is. Play Summoning, copy it, copy it, crack through about ~8 baubles per turn, for 24 pinchers per turn, then on my turn use Glaring Spotlight to kill everyone.
There were complaints about my turn length, and requests that I not play Lazav again.
This deck looks incredibly fun and effective, kudos. Would something like Hatred work here to surprise kill, or is it not necessary? Also Consuming Abberation gets big fast and helps feed Lazav.
This deck looks incredibly fun and effective, kudos. Would something like Hatred work here to surprise kill, or is it not necessary? Also Consuming Abberation gets big fast and helps feed Lazav.
So, the one game so far was extremely fun... for me. The spellbomb package was repeatable removal and evasion for lazav, and I liked it.
Hatred would be a powerful surprise kill, but if you telegraph to other players that their math can be that far off, they may value you as a higher threat. Then again, right time for the right answers. tainted strike can fit that idea as well.
The aberation I have seen be very effective in Lazav. I had forgotten about him in previous cuts, so I'll need to look into it when I refactor the deck.
At the very least, I think the Clock of omens is out, I'll listen to the voice of unfun for now. All 3 other players were decidedly unhappy, amusingly enough including a player who routinely locks/counter locks the table, which I found ironic, but hey. Clock isn't a necessary theme piece, and greater good and all that.
It'll probably be included with the same salvage/post engine whenever I get to making toshiro.
Lol, a fair and valid point. I've been playing t&l a bit less recently since embracing the wheel chaos as well, due to the one explosive turn thing. I think that deck will be branched into 2 separate builds as well, but I've been saying that for ages. Also, I have something like 10-12 active decks to choose from, so things tend to come and go in cycles.
Still working on triads, and some sort of other blink deck, either bant or uw lavinia.
regardless of how sliced, Jace, Memory Adept makes a slot in this deck. With Lazav on board, his 0 is borderline busted, and gives you a couple options to work with. Without him, his +2 is still net draw and flips one card over.
Though it's difficult, when it boils down to a 1v1 or 1v1v1 situation, if you protect him his 0 can be a win condition on its own. Oh they have eldrazi? Whatever, Lazav is Ulamog now. Hexproof and indestructible
Grinning Totem is a hidden gem in my Lazav deck. Just activate it before the start of your turn and it acts like a bribery for Lazav if he is in play. Enjoy!
Perhaps I am missing something here but...how are you able to cycle Wayfarer's Bauble and the Spellbombs...and how is Clock of Omens so good in this deck?
I am sure it is something simple...but I am just not seeing it.
Perhaps I am missing something here but...how are you able to cycle Wayfarer's Bauble and the Spellbombs...and how is Clock of Omens so good in this deck?
I am sure it is something simple...but I am just not seeing it.
Early on, I had 4 baubles and an equipment. I tapped the spellbomb and another artifact to untap my salvaging station. In response, sacced the spellbomb, drew a card, tapped station, returned sbomb, tap sbomb+artifact untap station, etc.
X, draw x cards where x <= number of artifacts I have. Since Lazav was a seedborn muse, I did this every turn, so by my next turn I had drawn 20 cards.
I dropped a few mana artifacts to go with the clock, some more baubles, and a trading post.
Someone killed my Salvaging station, so instead I had to do the trick with post, to make and sac goats each turn returning all of my artifacts from the grave.
Also, I was looking forward to using the walking atlas I had dropped in order to drop all the lands I was drawing.
It's not so much that Clock is good in this specific deck, but rather that clock is good in decks with combo artifacts, and this deck happens to have a salvaging station and lots of artifacts.
Plague Wind is a great call. I think all of mine are in my Horde deck, which would be why I failed to find them earlier. Thanks for the suggestion!
While there's no set rule for a budget, you are right in that I don't own an Overwhelming Forces, and sadly, will likely not own one for quite a while. =P
Incidentally, these (or at least, Plague Wind) would solve my issue with lack of wraths in the deck, which is troubling me currently.
SO yeah. I forgot that Overwhelming Forces was recently a Judge Promo, and no longer $300 and eleventy billion dollars. Also, it was 3 am, and I shouldn't be allowed on ebay at that time. So I may have a theoretical forces for this deck now.
SO yeah. I forgot that Overwhelming Forces was recently a Judge Promo, and no longer $300 and eleventy billion dollars. Also, it was 3 am, and I shouldn't be allowed on ebay at that time. So I may have a theoretical forces for this deck now.
Good that you've got a Forces though. It should be fantastic in Lazav.
Oh, I've had worse than that... sadly...
But yes, I should be banned from spending money late at night, and yes, Forces should be good. It'll replace the Clock, and make everyone much happier.
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Secondary option for lazav is to go UB discard and rip the bottomless pits out of my Sygg deck, which is terribad anyways, toss in a Geth's, and removal/counters. Maybe even a specter theme, although I kinda want to do that with Bolas as the Commander, because Bolas Hippie Spec Deck seems awesome.
While Hexproof Commanders (or creatures in general) have always had the capacity to become extremely threatening, Lazav takes it to a new level without exterior support. Simply put, there are many threatening creatures in Commander. Threatening Creatures have a rather remarkable tendency to quickly become a non-threatening dead thing. Lazav, thus, tends to become the potentially most threatening thing... with hexproof.
On top of this, since he can keep upgrading, some bonuses can continue to apply. An early Lazav the Scute Mob is quite a terrifying sight to behold. When he then upgrades into a Lazav the Soul of the Harvest with 10 +1/+1 counters... he's downright terrifying.
This deck follows a few key ideas, but I'm not yet happy on the overall balance and mix. Changes are sure to (eventually) follow. The concept is simple: Lazav wants things to die, and Lazav likes counters. Since he is hexproof, I also don't need to be as terribly worried about auras being a bad investment (though Ordeal of Erebos did not make the cut at this time, sadly).
A few cards that I have seen be effective are also omitted in order to play differently from my Brother's deck. (Zur's Weirding, Oath of Scholars)
4 Lazav, Dimir Mastermind
CREATURES - 13
2 Walking Atlas
3 Burnished Hart
3 Treasure Mage
3 Trinket Mage
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Sakashima the Imposter
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Thassa's Emissary
5 Bloodgift Demon
5 Havengul Lich
5 Magus of the Jar
6 Geth, Lord of the Vault
6 Necropolis Regent
ENCHANTMENTS - 2
1 Vanishing
2 Ordeal of Thassa
INSTANTS - 10
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Tragic Slip
1 Undying Evil
2 Arcane Denial
2 Reality Ripple
2 Spell Rupture
3 Psychic Strike
3 Sudden Death
4 Slaughter
5 Traitor's Clutch
SORCERIES - 6
2 Demonic Tutor
3 Fabricate
3 Windfall
4 Whispering Madness
5 Bribery
6 Rain of Daggers
1 Aether Spellbomb
1 Chromatic Star
1 Conjurer's Bauble
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Flight Spellbomb
1 Glaring Spotlight
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Scrabbling Claws
1 Terrarion
1 Voyager Staff
1 Wayfarer's Bauble (technically mana)
2 Anvil of Bogardan
3 Sculpting Steel
4 Clock of Omens
4 Trading Post
5 Memory Jar
6 Salvaging Station
7 Spine of Ish Sah
7 Summoning Station
ARTIFACT - EQUIPMENT - 7
1 Blade of the Bloodchief
2 Specter's Shroud
3 Loxodon Warhammer
3 Sword of Body and Mind
3 Sword of Feast and Famine
3 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Sword of Light and Shadow
ARTIFACT - MANA - 4
1 Sol Ring
3 Darksteel Ingot
3 Dimir Keyrune
3 Pristine Talisman
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LANDS - 38
12 Island
12 Swamp
1 Blinkmoth Nexus
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Buried Ruin
1 Command Tower
1 Darkwater Catacombs
1 Dimir Aqueduct
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Tainted Isle
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Terrain Generator
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Watery Grave
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If you could somehow find ways to make Lazav into a Gorgon, Hythonia the Cruel makes a great second Plague Wind.
I assume a budget is in place, otherwise Overwhelming Forces also makes a star appearance here.
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While there's no set rule for a budget, you are right in that I don't own an Overwhelming Forces, and sadly, will likely not own one for quite a while. =P
Incidentally, these (or at least, Plague Wind) would solve my issue with lack of wraths in the deck, which is troubling me currently.
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Plague Wind is preeeetty amazing in black EDH decks to begin with, but even more so in Lazav.
Specter's Shroud seems terrible. What if you replaced it with Mask of Memory or Whispersilk Cloak (more protection for Lazav+super evasion)?
Where is the Mimic Vat?
Bottomless Pit could be ok here as well (great way to get Lazav to trigger).
Dauthi Embrace seems better than Traitor's Clutch.
Just some more random thoughts.
EDIT: More wraths! Decree of Pain? Evacuation followed by Windfall? Black Sun's Zenith?
EDIT 2: Electric Boogaloo: Duuuuude. Ill-Gotten Gains. Woah man, it's a beating. I'm a big fan of it here.
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Mask of Memory I like, but I think I want to try the discard a bit. It'll probably come out rather quickly from this build, thought I think the shroud stands some uses in other ideas. Right now, while I like the Mask of Memory (a lot), neither it, nor cloak are needed in this deck.
Mimic Vat is a good card, and may warrant a slot in here due to capitalizing on good deaths, though it tends to be a grand old target and draw a lot of hate in my meta. Especially if I can pull out the Clock of Omens with it.
Bottomless Pit and friends (from my sygg deck) may make a future appearance in a different, more control oriented Lazav. Keeping it in mind for the future.
Dauthi Embrace vs. Traitors. I like both, and Traitors is less color intensive to drop as a surprise. Even the flashback can be highly relevant due to the Embrace being destroyed before the next turn.
Decree of pain actually got cut due to cost. At that mana cost I'm willing to allow it if it keeps Lazav around, but I have plenty other sources of card draw available. I'd even run All is Dust currently before it, as I imagine with a bit of fore-planning, it shouldn't be hard to make lazav colorless.
I like Ill-Gotten Gains. Ill need to keep that in mind as well, and see if I have one buried in my boxes and stacks of cards.
Thanks!
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I'd rather run the Kaldra Package over the plate, and due to Lazav's difficulty to kill already, i'd rather run the black regenerating ring equipment thing over those. I'm just not seeing the benefit to invest so much to protect a guy that is hard to kill already. I mean, I should run Damnation already. It's a good card, and if Lazav dies... well, clearly it was still advantageous to cast it, or I wouldn't have. Not everything needs to be cute.
What would you cut for more space for wraths? I'm thinking 2-4 total wraths should be good, probably 3 is ok. Rain, Damnation, and AIDs is probably the package to run, I'm thinking.
FYI, the ring, Reiver Demon and Hellfire all suffer the same problem:
Lazav is actually rarely ever black. =P
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It's a nice feeling to swing with a 3/3 Lazav strapped with the blade, and have him shapeshift into an Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre before blocks. Sure, you miss the annihilator trigger, but life can't always be magical christmas land.
As it stands, I like the focus on being more of a U/B control deck with a mill-for-profit theme instead of a U/B Mill-To-Win deck like most tried to build around him when he was spoiled. He played much better and smoother that way to me.
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Omnath proceeded to go through a loop of Early Harvest and Regrowth effects to generate a boat load of mana and commander damaged out Wort with an army of of beast tokens made with Hunting Pack.
I'm holding Damnation and my board consists of only Mana, Lazav, Blade, and a few utility enchantments like Phyrexian Arena.... so I equip blade to lazav, activate rogue's passage and swing figuring if nothing else I can at least Damnation after. Omnath mills 7 cards to the trigger, one of which being a Worldspine Wurm and shapeshifts into an unblockable 22/15 general.
I was sold ever since.
Amazingly, this might be the one deck in the universe that Trepanation Blade is wanted in. It's better than the Shroud, that's for damn sure.
I recommended Decree of Pain due to the cycling, actually. Being able to wipe the utility guys is always nice, especially when it dodges your main man and when it replaces itself. The big version is great, but I wouldn't bother counting on it too much. Also, sometimes, turning Lazav into a utility guy might be cool (imagine cycling decree to morph lazav into a weathered wayfarer, using the wayfarer ability, then next turn killing something serious off via a direct kill effect). Seems fun to me.
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Lazav still has the -2 as well, so unless you have +1 counters on him, shifting him down may lead to death.
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Early on, I had the option between Sylvan Primordial and Immaculate Magistrate when I Whispering Madnessed.
I took the magistrate to slow roll it, and cranked up 4 counter, using Minamo once to get an extra counter. Power play!
Then I got a treasure mage, dug up my Salvaging station, (Had Terrarion, Aether Spellbomb, and Flight Spellbomb) and connected with a flying lazav, to wheel off again. Lazav became a Seedborn Muse. I started drawing 5 cards a turn. Not my turn, per turn.
I added a clock of omens to my lineup, more baubles, some mana rocks, got crazy sick. Aether spellbomb meant nothing could touch me.
Salvaging station died, but I dropped trading post and got it back, as well as my Solemn Simulacrum, and Summoning Station. I had Sculpting Steel, Copy Artifact and Spine of Ish-Sah in hand.
I scooped, as I had Executioner's Capsule, 6 other baubles, on top of all that, and I didn't want to math.
I think the play of choice is. Play Summoning, copy it, copy it, crack through about ~8 baubles per turn, for 24 pinchers per turn, then on my turn use Glaring Spotlight to kill everyone.
There were complaints about my turn length, and requests that I not play Lazav again.
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Lesson learned? Salvaging Station is crazy bonkers. Trading Post is crazy good.
Clock of Omens is crazy broken, and makes things that are crazy good and crazy bonkers into crazy broken.
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They know you play Tibor and Lumia, right?
So, the one game so far was extremely fun... for me. The spellbomb package was repeatable removal and evasion for lazav, and I liked it.
Hatred would be a powerful surprise kill, but if you telegraph to other players that their math can be that far off, they may value you as a higher threat. Then again, right time for the right answers. tainted strike can fit that idea as well.
The aberation I have seen be very effective in Lazav. I had forgotten about him in previous cuts, so I'll need to look into it when I refactor the deck.
At the very least, I think the Clock of omens is out, I'll listen to the voice of unfun for now. All 3 other players were decidedly unhappy, amusingly enough including a player who routinely locks/counter locks the table, which I found ironic, but hey. Clock isn't a necessary theme piece, and greater good and all that.
It'll probably be included with the same salvage/post engine whenever I get to making toshiro.
Lol, a fair and valid point. I've been playing t&l a bit less recently since embracing the wheel chaos as well, due to the one explosive turn thing. I think that deck will be branched into 2 separate builds as well, but I've been saying that for ages. Also, I have something like 10-12 active decks to choose from, so things tend to come and go in cycles.
Still working on triads, and some sort of other blink deck, either bant or uw lavinia.
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Though it's difficult, when it boils down to a 1v1 or 1v1v1 situation, if you protect him his 0 can be a win condition on its own. Oh they have eldrazi? Whatever, Lazav is Ulamog now. Hexproof and indestructible
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I am sure it is something simple...but I am just not seeing it.
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Salvaging station.
There's a reason I tutored it up.
Early on, I had 4 baubles and an equipment. I tapped the spellbomb and another artifact to untap my salvaging station. In response, sacced the spellbomb, drew a card, tapped station, returned sbomb, tap sbomb+artifact untap station, etc.
X, draw x cards where x <= number of artifacts I have. Since Lazav was a seedborn muse, I did this every turn, so by my next turn I had drawn 20 cards.
I dropped a few mana artifacts to go with the clock, some more baubles, and a trading post.
Someone killed my Salvaging station, so instead I had to do the trick with post, to make and sac goats each turn returning all of my artifacts from the grave.
Also, I was looking forward to using the walking atlas I had dropped in order to drop all the lands I was drawing.
It's not so much that Clock is good in this specific deck, but rather that clock is good in decks with combo artifacts, and this deck happens to have a salvaging station and lots of artifacts.
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[EDH] Ob Nixilis the Fallen
SO yeah. I forgot that Overwhelming Forces was recently a Judge Promo, and no longer $300 and eleventy billion dollars. Also, it was 3 am, and I shouldn't be allowed on ebay at that time. So I may have a theoretical forces for this deck now.
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You are the worst at buying things late at night, Mr. 28 Deglamers and an Overwhelming Forces.
Good that you've got a Forces though. It should be fantastic in Lazav.
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If you did this, tell me and I'll credit you!
Oh, I've had worse than that... sadly...
But yes, I should be banned from spending money late at night, and yes, Forces should be good. It'll replace the Clock, and make everyone much happier.
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Secondary option for lazav is to go UB discard and rip the bottomless pits out of my Sygg deck, which is terribad anyways, toss in a Geth's, and removal/counters. Maybe even a specter theme, although I kinda want to do that with Bolas as the Commander, because Bolas Hippie Spec Deck seems awesome.
Retired EDH - Tibor and Lumia | [PR]Nemata |Ramirez dePietro | [C]Edric | Riku | Jenara | Lazav | Heliod | Daxos | Roon | Kozilek