This is my first commander deck. I spent a fair amount of time getting ideas from other kaalia decks and this is my result. I would appreciate Ideas/critics/suggetions.
Primarily this is to play against my friends(who land destroy ect... prob won't get used), but may also go to local commander tourney so would like this to be competitive. I've never been to it so I don't know what kind of decks are up there.
you dont need targeted discard in multiplayer. and if you do go that route, mind twist, castigate and hymn to tourach are worth their weigh in gold. angel of jubilation doesnt pump your black guys makes it a poor choice, you have no tutors other than liliana, rhystic tutor and vampiric tutor come to mind. if your general gets tucked or gets killed too many times i suggest sneak attack (since you have a bunch of reanimate spells) and quicksilver amulet. im sure im forgetting something, but it will come to me eventually.
edit: you can look in my sig for some suggestions, but its quite old and i didnt have time to update it
Tutors are in The left colum
Quicksilver is already in
As far are targeted discard, the reason I picked those is because of cost and their use. They only cost one B to play and a specifically for removing kaalia hate from a persons hands. The ones you suggested, though awesome, would cost the more to get the same result.
I like sneak attack, and I could definitely see it being a decent combo if kaalia gets tucked too much. However if I didn't get enough draw or some of reanimate cards not sure how much good it would do. Will have to get it and play test with it.
I've seen a few Kaalia lists running Blood Speaker, seems handy. A little surprised you're not running Angel of Despair, since it's a vindicate on an angel body. Some other strange absentees include
"The distance between genius and insanity... Is measured only by success."
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
Strionic resonator is a maybe card. Yea it doubles up her ability, but when play testing with it unless the game ran long it never got used.
Bladewing the Risen is a maybe card. If I keep kaalia out he is a free reanimate, but there are only 7 Dragons in this deck. Again this is one of those late game cards that could be good, but when looking to the short term and finishing the game faster it doesn't seem to be one of the better dragons for this make.
*note* I am looking at putting in worldgorger dragon/animate dead combo with any ability activates when it comes into play. (angel of despair or Piranha marsh) (infinte loop destroy or damage)
Chaos warp seems like a dangerous card. It seems like it is giving the other player a free play, I understand that could be preferable to having their general out, but is it the best option? maybe someone could give me a bit more detail as to why this one.
I opted for cataclysm / catastrophe because I have land/creature destroy option or can remove the majority of the board while leaving kaalia/equip ect which likely my opp will not have time to recover from before the game ends.
That being said my understanding is you can't make a person shuffle their general into their deck, if thats not right someone lied to me! Ha! if so tell me now and I will get those in there! (hallowed burial/terminus
I am working on a variant of this deck that include more equipment that i could see the collar working in.
Includes sword of feast and famine/fire and ice/light and shadow/darksteel plate/devoted caretaker to all protect kaalia. Haven't tried play testing it yet though no idea how it would work out.
That being said my understanding is you can't make a person shuffle their general into their deck, if thats not right someone lied to me! Ha! if so tell me now and I will get those in there! (hallowed burial/terminus
In French 1v1 rules, yes tucking is not allowed (technically it's an optional replacement effect sending your general to the command zone instead of your deck). But in normal EDH, it's legit. No such rule exists. The one who told you that is trolling, lying for advantage, or sadly misinformed. I suspect the second one.
Oh, and about Chaos Warp. Think about the composition of a deck. Yes, you MIGHT turn over something worse, but lands and harmless stuff normally make up over 50% of a deck. I'll take those odds if it means dealing a crippling blow to an opponent. Some decks are so overly reliant on their general that the deck collapses without it.
"The distance between genius and insanity... Is measured only by success."
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
Primarily this is to play against my friends(who land destroy ect... prob won't get used), but may also go to local commander tourney so would like this to be competitive. I've never been to it so I don't know what kind of decks are up there.
1 Kaalia of the Vast
Creatures
1 Adarkar Valkyrie (combo w/ sneak attack)
1 Angel of Serenity (removal)
1 Angelic Arbiter (control)
1 Aurelia, the Warleader (extra attacks)
1 Avacyn, Angel of Hope (Gives Indestructible)
1 Balefire Dragon (I could this guy as creature removal)
1 Basandra, Battle Seraph (No spells during combat/force creature attacks)
1 Bloodgift Demon (draw)
1 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight (beatdown love)
1 Hellkite Charger (combo w/ sword of f/f or aggravated assault)
1 Hoard-Smelter Dragon (artifact removal)
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria (control)
1 Karmic Guide (reanimator)
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence (control)
1 Lord of the Void
1 Master of Cruelties (Game finisher if it hits)
1 Mikaeus, the Unhallowed (combo with mass destroy/protection from destroy)
1 Platinum Angel (loss protection)
1 Reaper from the Abyss (extra destroy)
1 Rimescale Dragon (tap creatures)
1 Dragon Mage (draw)
1 Rune-Scarred Demon (tutor)
1 Rakdos the Defiler (wipe half their board by combo w/ kaalia)
1 Grand Abolisher (Keep those spells to yourself!)
1 Sire of Insanity (forces topdeck play)
1 Stoneforge Mystic (tutor for equip)
1 Mother of Runes (protection for kaalia)
1 Scourge of Kher Ridges (clear out those pesky smaller creatures)
1 worldgorger dragon (combo w/ animate dead+angel of despair/Piranha marsh)
1 angel of despair (combo w/ animate dead+worldgorger dragon)
1 reanimate Dead
1 Necromancy
1 Unburial Rites
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Steelshaper's Gift
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Cataclysm (combo with mikaeus/clear board)
1 Terminus
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Path to Exile
1 Vindicate
1 oblation
1 chaos warp
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Rakdos Signet
1 Boros Signet
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Vault
1 Land Tax
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Whispersilk Cloak
1 Swiftfoot Boots
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Wheel of Fortune
1 Aggravated Assault (combo or mana sink for extra attacks)
1 Seize the Day (cheap extra attacks)
1 Sword of Feast and Famine (combo w/ Hellkite charger or Aggravated Assault)
1 Fervor
1 Sneak Attack
1 Stranglehold (Slow down opp)
Planeswalkers
1 Liliana Vess (Opp Discard/tutor/reanimator)
Lands
1 Akoum Refuge
1 Arid Mesa
1 Badlands
1 Blood Crypt
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Bojuka Bog (grave removal)
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Clifftop Retreat
1 Command Tower
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Godless Shrine
1 Homeward Path (don't lose control of creatures)
1 Isolated Chapel
1 Marsh Flats
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Plateau
1 Rakdos Carnarium
1 Reliquary Tower (no max handsize)
1 Rupture Spire
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Scrubland
2 Snow-Covered Mountain
3 Snow-Covered Plains
2 Snow-Covered Swamp
1 Strip Mine
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Volrath's Stronghold (return creature from grave to top of deck)
1 Piranha marsh (combo w/ animate dead+worldgorger dragon)
edit: you can look in my sig for some suggestions, but its quite old and i didnt have time to update it
KAALIA SMASH!
Intet dreams of times ahead
and more
Quicksilver is already in
As far are targeted discard, the reason I picked those is because of cost and their use. They only cost one B to play and a specifically for removing kaalia hate from a persons hands. The ones you suggested, though awesome, would cost the more to get the same result.
I like sneak attack, and I could definitely see it being a decent combo if kaalia gets tucked too much. However if I didn't get enough draw or some of reanimate cards not sure how much good it would do. Will have to get it and play test with it.
Oh, that's just mean. I knew that card had some kind of potential.
Seconded, Sneak Attack should be in here.
I've seen a few Kaalia lists running Blood Speaker, seems handy. A little surprised you're not running Angel of Despair, since it's a vindicate on an angel body. Some other strange absentees include
You might also like Thundermaw Hellkite if you like tapping blockers.
Depending on how funny you find deathtouch and pingers, Basilisk Collar and Vault of the Archangel may amuse you. Also, if that's your thing, Vampiric Dragon and Shivian Hellkite will be good.
Karona, Warden of AlcatrazWUBRG
The EPIC EDHWUBRG
Sun Quan Aggro1U
Animar GoodstuffRUG
Horobi MBCB
Medomai NerfWU
Saffi EriksdotterGW
Zur (CF)WUB
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
Bladewing the Risen is a maybe card. If I keep kaalia out he is a free reanimate, but there are only 7 Dragons in this deck. Again this is one of those late game cards that could be good, but when looking to the short term and finishing the game faster it doesn't seem to be one of the better dragons for this make.
*note* I am looking at putting in worldgorger dragon/animate dead combo with any ability activates when it comes into play. (angel of despair or Piranha marsh) (infinte loop destroy or damage)
Chaos warp seems like a dangerous card. It seems like it is giving the other player a free play, I understand that could be preferable to having their general out, but is it the best option? maybe someone could give me a bit more detail as to why this one.
I opted for cataclysm / catastrophe because I have land/creature destroy option or can remove the majority of the board while leaving kaalia/equip ect which likely my opp will not have time to recover from before the game ends.
That being said my understanding is you can't make a person shuffle their general into their deck, if thats not right someone lied to me! Ha! if so tell me now and I will get those in there! (hallowed burial/terminus
I am working on a variant of this deck that include more equipment that i could see the collar working in.
Includes sword of feast and famine/fire and ice/light and shadow/darksteel plate/devoted caretaker to all protect kaalia. Haven't tried play testing it yet though no idea how it would work out.
In French 1v1 rules, yes tucking is not allowed (technically it's an optional replacement effect sending your general to the command zone instead of your deck). But in normal EDH, it's legit. No such rule exists. The one who told you that is trolling, lying for advantage, or sadly misinformed. I suspect the second one.
Oh, and about Chaos Warp. Think about the composition of a deck. Yes, you MIGHT turn over something worse, but lands and harmless stuff normally make up over 50% of a deck. I'll take those odds if it means dealing a crippling blow to an opponent. Some decks are so overly reliant on their general that the deck collapses without it.
Karona, Warden of AlcatrazWUBRG
The EPIC EDHWUBRG
Sun Quan Aggro1U
Animar GoodstuffRUG
Horobi MBCB
Medomai NerfWU
Saffi EriksdotterGW
Zur (CF)WUB
-Elliot Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies
"If violence isn't solving it, you're obviously not using enough!"
-Me
A kid at my local gameshop wanted to break a twenty.
"You got 2 tens?" he asked me.
"No, but I probably got 3 fives." I replied.
"Perfect!"
"You might want to check your math there."
Out:
Catastrophe
Sorin Markov
Angel of Jubilation
Terminate
duress
inquiz of kol
plains (basic land)
In:
Terminus
Chaos warp
Oblation
Sneak Attack
angel of despair (combo w/ worldgorger/animate dead)
worldgorger dragon
Piranha marsh (combo w/ worldgorger/animate dead)