Trying to really figure out a way to make this deck really work well. So far I have tried and all it got me was usually four-five Apostles while I sit back with around 3-5 mana yet while everyone else doing awesome stuff.
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That is actually a good question. I thought about it and I thought mortal combat would work. Yet honestly when push comes to shove, I get thrown out of the mosh pit. I was thinking maybe using something like Coat of Arms or Akroma's Memorial to make the Apostles somewhat relevant.
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That is actually a good question. I thought about it and I thought mortal combat would work. Yet honestly when push comes to shove, I get thrown out of the mosh pit. I was thinking maybe using something like Coat of Arms or Akroma's Memorial to make the Apostles somewhat relevant.
Granted if you do use Coat of Arms Shirei is no longer relevant. But yes, you need a more solid win-con.
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you should add in carnival of souls and cabal archon. That can be your win con. continuously syphoning your apostles, who are clerics. the life gain from archon will negate the life loss from carnival.
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If you had a way to recycle them faster, you could use Phyrexian Altar and Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble to help kill people off. When you feed them into the Altar, the Artist/Noble drain someone for a point. Alongside Cabal Archon and Carnival of Souls, it could be effective. It may be too slow though, since you have to wait for Shirei to return them to play. If you've got enough Apostles, you may be able to drain someone for 10-15 a round, but I'm unsure if that's enough. Could be worth trying though.
Here's a few more decent demons, if you want more demons to beat people down with: Lord of the Pit, Ravenous Demon, and Demon of Death's Gate (especially nice because you can play him from the hand with only 3 Apostles).
Hmm alter, alright.
SotN was originally the general of this deck.
I need an anti-theft measure since blue decks keep stealing my demons.
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The problem with Elbrus, it's not considered a demon when it's on it's day side, so he wouldn't be able to instant tutor it up, I do love the inclusion of Mortal Combat here and quite possibly, you should consider adding Blood Artist here, since you're sacrificing a lot of creatures and such, along with effects like Ashnod's Altar and it's lik Phyrexian Altar
Another potential demon is Desecration Demon since it forces opponents to sac creatures to keep it tapped down, Living Death also sounds perfect here, since it's your second Living End while being 5 mana, sure you got it, great way to recover.
I like the deck. Needs some more demons, or some way to shuffle them back in, but other than that...
As pointed out, it's not budget. It's easy to budgetize though, as there are less expensive ways to do some of the things you are doing.
Falkenroth Noble and Blood Artist are potential wincons here, in a 4 player game, if you can keep your commander and one of those out, then it's 24 damage per turn, and 24 life, if you just have the first 6 apostles out. If someone wraths, you are probably making up the excess of the damage anyway.
Also, just because this deck is one color, doesn't mean it's budget, you should change your tag. You included a number of cards in the $50-$100 range.
Eh, if you lose the fetches and Grim Tutor, it suddenly becomes a very inexpensive deck, with only like 5 cards worth anything (Urborg, Maze of Ith, Cruel Tutor, Vesuva, Demonic Tutor) and all of which can be replaced fairly cheaply (Ith-->Mystifying Maze, Vesuva-->Thespian's Stage, Cruel Tutor/Demonic Tutor-->Increasing Ambition/something else; only Urborg is really irreplaceable).
It works well if you cut the top ten pricey cards, and then everything else is quite cheap. I'd just make a note about that in the main post and call it a day.
I still must recommend the Blood Artist track, like I did before and as chaos_redefined suggested again. It is so effective, it's silly.
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Trying to really figure out a way to make this deck really work well. So far I have tried and all it got me was usually four-five Apostles while I sit back with around 3-5 mana yet while everyone else doing awesome stuff.
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Granted if you do use Coat of Arms Shirei is no longer relevant. But yes, you need a more solid win-con.
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Here's a few more decent demons, if you want more demons to beat people down with: Lord of the Pit, Ravenous Demon, and Demon of Death's Gate (especially nice because you can play him from the hand with only 3 Apostles).
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He's a good option too. I really have been enjoying Demon of Death's Gate though, mostly for the "it's turn three, let's have a threat!" option.
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SotN was originally the general of this deck.
I need an anti-theft measure since blue decks keep stealing my demons.
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(Not that the stories or character are inhernetly bad, but that they failed to further delve into the topic. Like Gateless/Non-Benders feeling opressed by the Guilds/Benders that sought a revolution but it became less of importance according to the story.)
Homeward Path and a lot of sac outlets (High Market, Phyrexian Tower, etc.) help a lot.
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For more demons: Archdemon of Unx, Extractor Demon will turn all of your sac-fodder into mill, Hollowborn Barghest can cause some pain, Kuro, Pitlord lets you use your life for removal, Lord of the Void has a lot of potential, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen can get strong, Reaper from the Abyss is good if you have a lot of things dying, Elbrus, the Binding Blade gives you one of the strongest demons in the game if you can flip it.
The problem with Elbrus, it's not considered a demon when it's on it's day side, so he wouldn't be able to instant tutor it up, I do love the inclusion of Mortal Combat here and quite possibly, you should consider adding Blood Artist here, since you're sacrificing a lot of creatures and such, along with effects like Ashnod's Altar and it's lik Phyrexian Altar
Another potential demon is Desecration Demon since it forces opponents to sac creatures to keep it tapped down, Living Death also sounds perfect here, since it's your second Living End while being 5 mana, sure you got it, great way to recover.
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As pointed out, it's not budget. It's easy to budgetize though, as there are less expensive ways to do some of the things you are doing.
Falkenroth Noble and Blood Artist are potential wincons here, in a 4 player game, if you can keep your commander and one of those out, then it's 24 damage per turn, and 24 life, if you just have the first 6 apostles out. If someone wraths, you are probably making up the excess of the damage anyway.
Also, Darksteel Plate and Lightning Greaves clearly count as costume changes.
Eh, if you lose the fetches and Grim Tutor, it suddenly becomes a very inexpensive deck, with only like 5 cards worth anything (Urborg, Maze of Ith, Cruel Tutor, Vesuva, Demonic Tutor) and all of which can be replaced fairly cheaply (Ith-->Mystifying Maze, Vesuva-->Thespian's Stage, Cruel Tutor/Demonic Tutor-->Increasing Ambition/something else; only Urborg is really irreplaceable).
It works well if you cut the top ten pricey cards, and then everything else is quite cheap. I'd just make a note about that in the main post and call it a day.
I still must recommend the Blood Artist track, like I did before and as chaos_redefined suggested again. It is so effective, it's silly.
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You haven't seem to have updated the deck at all? Have you made any changes yet? And if so, how are they working out?
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