MTG Salvation

Now I know what all of you are thinking, "Oh god not another Sharuum deck, doesnt this n00b know that there are thousands of them already?" The answer is yes, I know that there are plenty of decklists out there. However in my searching I have found that a lot of those lists are attempts at creating "casual" versions of this once feared general. What I want to do, and plan to do, is to test EDH's most feared generals in my local meta to study this hyper competitive side of my favorite format. Hopefully this well help me compile deck lists of the most degenerate, feared, and loathed EDH decks in existence.

What I am hoping to get from you gentlemen and ladies is help constructing the most shameless and competitive Sharuum deck possible. Again no thought should be given to card price or pissing off a play group, all I want to do is build the best deck possible.

Here is the deck list:



Here are the current combos available in the deck:

Sharuum the Hegemon + Sculpting Steel or Phyrexian Metamorph (in the grave) + Disciple of the Vault or Bitter Ordeal

Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek + Time Sieve

Time Sieve + Thopter Assembly

Any suggestions you have to help build the best deck possible are most welcome and please stand by as I will keep this thread updated with play testing notes if enough people take interest in this thread. A huge thanks to everyone who has been giving their suggestions, especially bitterroot who provided an excellent deck list to use as inspiration.

Reserved for Change Log

I know what I'd cut from this list, but I want to try a different approach to how I critique others.

If you could cut 5-10 cards from this list, which ones would be they be, and why?

@Secularon

If I had to cut 5 to 10 cards they would probably be:

Mindslaver: While nice and funny when it goes off, I usually find the Mindslaver lock too mana intensive and not entirelly effective against large Multiplayer groups (which are the types of matches I usually play)

Tormod's Crypt: Im on the fence about this card. While it is always nice to block other combo players, I often find it to be a completely dead card 8 times out of 10. Either I am not playing with any graveyard combo decks or I am playing against graveyard combo decks but I cant dig for the card fast enough.

Reanimate: Another card im on the fence about. While it is very versatile in its ability to revive a creature from any graveyard, it could be dropped to make room a more useful artifact card.

Artificer's Intuition: While I like the ability to discard artifact cards from my hand, I have very few targets overall (especially ones that would be useful mid game) for the effect.

Forbidden Alchemy: I like the self mill, especially in this deck. However I am thinking that there may be more efficient cards.

Etherium Sculptor: While its ability is useful early game, in long running games (which are common in EDH) this cards seems almost useless as you should have enough artifact mana ramp to play just about anything.

Liliana Vess: Not sure about this one. Here ability to tutor is useful but I have a lot better, and cheaper, tutor cards in this deck.

Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas: Good but not good enough? Really not sure and would definitely be one I need to playtest more.

Do you have any infinite mana combos in here? Infinite mana would turn Capsize into another potential win condition. It would also let you splash Stroke of Genius, Blue Sun's Zenith, etc. to give you another one. And if you have some sort of infinite draw loop, Psychosis Crawler would let you take every out at the table simultaneously.

So how many times have you played this list? And if many what are you least impressed with and why? I'm trying to build a competitive sharumn myself and one of the first things I noticed was that the deck was fast but ran out of steam quickly. I notice your list reminds me of my first build that lacked mass card draw. The more card draw I added the more powerful the deck seemed to become.

@Loozar402
I was considering adding some infinite mana combos to the deck as another win condition, especially the Basalt Monolith/Thran Dynamo/Grim Monolith and Rings of Brighthearth combo.

@BadCompany0157
I have only just started playing this list with only a game or two under my belt. I listed in my response to Secularon some of the cards I was on the fence about.

Allow me to shamelessly suggest that you take a look at my list. I've won more than a few GP side-events with it.

EDIT: Let me add that your list is clearly on the right track, but it can get much better when you cut the bulkier cards that slow down the core combos. You note that "long-running games are common in EDH," but when this deck is really honed into a killing machine, you shouldn't be seeing the other side of turn six unless something went really wrong. This deck can do without Liliana, Memnarch, Cyclonic Rift, etc. There are other little changes that can help improve the tune of the deck as well. Counterspell/Stoic Rebuttal can be Remand, Force of Will, Pact of Negation. Also, if money is really no object it's time to drop some bills on a Mishra's Workshop.

More ETB abuse? Sharuum seems like she'd love that.

Working on an updated list. Here is what im doing so far:
Dropping:
Liliana Vess
Memnarch
Cyclonic Rift
Buried Alive

Adding:
Mishra's Workshop

Keep up the great suggestions!

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@Secularon

If I had to cut 5 to 10 cards they would probably be:

Mindslaver: While nice and funny when it goes off, I usually find the Mindslaver lock too mana intensive and not entirelly effective against large Multiplayer groups (which are the types of matches I usually play)

Tormod's Crypt: Im on the fence about this card. While it is always nice to block other combo players, I often find it to be a completely dead card 8 times out of 10. Either I am not playing with any graveyard combo decks or I am playing against graveyard combo decks but I cant dig for the card fast enough.

Reanimate: Another card im on the fence about. While it is very versatile in its ability to revive a creature from any graveyard, it could be dropped to make room a more useful artifact card.

Artificer's Intuition: While I like the ability to discard artifact cards from my hand, I have very few targets overall (especially ones that would be useful mid game) for the effect.

Forbidden Alchemy: I like the self mill, especially in this deck. However I am thinking that there may be more efficient cards.

Etherium Sculptor: While its ability is useful early game, in long running games (which are common in EDH) this cards seems almost useless as you should have enough artifact mana ramp to play just about anything.

Liliana Vess: Not sure about this one. Here ability to tutor is useful but I have a lot better, and cheaper, tutor cards in this deck.

Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas: Good but not good enough? Really not sure and would definitely be one I need to playtest more.

If you really need GY hate, switch up T.Crypt for Nhil Spellbomb

Other than that, I'm cool with all those cuts.

Deck List Updated:
A huge thanks to everyone who gave suggestions and tips, especially bitterroot who provided a great deck list for inspiration. Keep up the great work!

I am gonna be running Reshape in my Sharuum list, I suggest you try it out.

I would also add mass removal. Currently I am running Supreme Verdict, Wrath of God, Damnation, and Austere Command.

Also, Entomb is awesome in Sharuum.

Decklist Updated!

This may or may not have been discussed in Bitterroot's deck list thread but is adding Blood Artist as a second Disciple of the Vault worth the slot? It seems like it would increase the consistency of the decks big draw spells and make for slightly less mulligans.

I will keep Blood Artist in mind. I am currently working on a deck list update.

decree of pain, austere command, cyclonic rift should be your main board wipes as the offer most advantage/utility. I run Sharum and I never feel I would rather have wrath or damnation. Just because they are cheaper does not mean the are always better. Most turn fours I don't find myself wrathing because either the board isn't that full or I'm ramping/tutoring for win cons. And if you really want 4cmc board wipe use supreme verdict, just to make sure the other blue players don't mess you up too much. Also on the whole tormod's crypt you can run the leyeline/helm combo for another win con /gy hate.

I used to run an ad naususm sharum list a year or do ago thus looks pretty similar, infact nearly identical. It seems very solid but the list always seemed like a weaker version of plain old u/b AD Naus. You are using the right cards though. I dislike phyrexian arena it's kinda slow I'd replace ur with recurring insight as ad naus / necro number 3 Rest looks fine.

Hi are there any new updates on the list

With the cards from Commander 2013, there could be a few replacement

OMG!! Thread Necros!!!

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