This is the most current incarnation of my Jhoira Commander Deck. I prefer the Extra Turn cards over the usual Suspend Super Wipe all((Obliterate,
Jokulhaups, any wipe + Mass LD really)) -> Fatty Right After combos. I have 2 forms of an infinite combo engine in here with Disperse on Isochron Scepter or Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker with Izzet Chronarch or Archaeomancer but I didn't realize I did until I played and got it out. Killed everyone before i realized though. Contemplating taking one of the two out but Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is nice to copy other creatures and the Disperse on Isochron Scepter is nice once per go-round answering to anything targetable.
My main question is just how "unfun" is this deck in comparison to most Jhoira decks? So far my play group hasn't disliked it since it's easily stoppable, takes time unless no one ever answers Omniscience or an Extra Turn card in my graveyard.
I just feel it might be too good to keep playing in a fun, easy going environment. I don't get ganged up as much as the next guy for who I pick to run but I want to be fair to all I play with.
Of course Card Ideas/Modifications are always welcome.
Updates:
March 1st, 2013
- Major Update to Cards via Time Cards [e.g. Time Spiral, Time Stop, Telling Time]
- Kept Ulamog in for Anti-Mill & Library Refreshal
- Added Obstinate Familiar to be able to stop myself from drawing out under certain conditions, mostly within my own upkeep.
March 15th, 2013
-Removed Otherworld Atlas, That Which Was Taken, Mercurial Chemister, Molten Primordial, Akroma's Memorial, Diluvian Primordial, Copy Enchantment
-Added Darksteel Ingot, Venser, Shaper Savant, Sakashima the Impostor, Vesuvan Shapeshifter, Coalition Relic, Gilded Lotus, Lighthouse Chronologist
This looks a lot like mine except I don't have any of the newer cards or damage cards or the Eldrazi.
I didn't want to go with the Eldarzi, I think they're kinda mean.
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Bad products are bad products. Bad products are not "designed" for casuals you meanie.
This looks a lot like mine except I don't have any of the newer cards or damage cards or the Eldrazi.
I didn't want to go with the Eldarzi, I think they're kinda mean.
I'm not a big fan of Ulamog in here. I feel bad when he hits the board and no one has an answer for a few turns. I'm probably at least changing him out for Kozilek for the draw.
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Lurker since March 2011. Time to change that.
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
I wouldnt use either.
Jhoira decks with them in them round my way are cliche and get beaten up, she's already bullied out of play most of the time. I use my puppy dog eyes, it really helps. it's way more cheesy than Eldrazi, it's even more cliche but it's hard to resist.
Here is my list Excluding the dumb cards I am using for place holders.
It's one of the top three I am thinking of taking out.
I found it pretty fun when I see the look in their face.
I play it like playing Snap.
They draw, then I go. SNAP! or TIMESTOP!
They look up cockeyed and go; "Fair enough"
Best played when you know they're about to combo something to distract them.
It's also a Scott M Fischer card, I love his art man, man, his art man.
I'll shed a tear.
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Bad products are bad products. Bad products are not "designed" for casuals you meanie.
I like his art but I don't like his abilities, he seems dim.
How do you propose to get something other than a 9/9 Trampler?
I added more cards to my list.
It worked really well, I kinda mana screwed him by tectonic edging his boilerworks and having him wheel of fortune himself.
Also on turn three I had a brainstorm attached to my Isochron, it was a bit silly.
I still feel like I need more anti aggression cards. Maybe Propaganda?
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Bad products are bad products. Bad products are not "designed" for casuals you meanie.
As you've mentioned, a vendetta that Jhoira suffers is simply how easy she is to build in the generic Suspend MLD then Creatures. I briefly ran Jhoira (lack of duals and interesting cards eventually killed it) but suspending bombs like Time Stretch or Blatant Thievery are always fun. Sadly most of the "fun to play" cards arent within UR, but I imagine shoving lots of whacky enchantments in could be fun!
I like his art but I don't like his abilities, he seems dim.
How do you propose to get something other than a 9/9 Trampler?
I added more cards to my list.
It worked really well, I kinda mana screwed him by tectonic edging his boilerworks and having him wheel of fortune himself.
Also on turn three I had a brainstorm attached to my Isochron, it was a bit silly.
I still feel like I need more anti aggression cards. Maybe Propaganda?
1x Jhoira of the Ghitu
Creature (22)
1x Aeon Chronicler
1x Akroma, Angel of Fury
1x Arcanis the Omnipotent
1x Bloodfire Colossus
1x Darksteel Colossus
1x Izzet Chronarch
1x Jhoira's Timebug
1x Keiga, the Tide Star
1x Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1x Lighthouse Chronologist
1x Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
1x Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
1x Obstinate Familiar
1x Rift Elemental
1x Ryusei, the Falling Star
1x Sakashima the Impostor
1x Shivan Sand-Mage
1x Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1x Timebender
1x Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1x Venser, Shaper Savant
1x Vesuvan Shapeshifter
Enchantment (7)
1x Braid of Fire
1x Cast Through Time
1x Mind Unbound
1x Omniscience
1x Paradox Haze
1x Propaganda
1x Thought Reflection
1x Cascade Bluffs
1x Command Tower
1x Darksteel Citadel
1x High Market
10x Island
1x Izzet Boilerworks
1x Magosi, the Waterveil
1x Maze of Ith
1x Minamo, School at Water's Edge
11x Mountain
1x Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Steam Vents
1x Sulfur Falls
1x Teferi's Isle
1x Vesuva
Instant (10)
1x Clockspinning
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Evacuation
1x Fury Charm
1x Reverberate
1x Spin into Myth
1x Telling Time
1x Time Stop
1x Timecrafting
1x Twincast
Sorcery (13)
1x Beacon of Tomorrows
1x Disaster Radius
1x Enter the Infinite
1x Invoke the Firemind
1x Reality Strobe
1x Rite of Replication
1x Savor the Moment
1x Stitch in Time
1x Temporal Mastery
1x Time Spiral
1x Time Stretch
1x Time Warp
1x Walk the Aeons
1x Chromatic Lantern
1x Coalition Relic
1x Darksteel Ingot
1x Darksteel Plate
1x Gilded Lotus
1x Isochron Scepter
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mimic Vat
1x Nevinyrral's Disk
1x Oblivion Stone
1x Rings of Brighthearth
1x Sol Ring
This is the most current incarnation of my Jhoira Commander Deck. I prefer the Extra Turn cards over the usual Suspend Super Wipe all((Obliterate,
Jokulhaups, any wipe + Mass LD really)) -> Fatty Right After combos. I have 2 forms of an infinite combo engine in here with Disperse on Isochron Scepter or Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker with Izzet Chronarch or Archaeomancer but I didn't realize I did until I played and got it out. Killed everyone before i realized though. Contemplating taking one of the two out but Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is nice to copy other creatures and the Disperse on Isochron Scepter is nice once per go-round answering to anything targetable.
My main question is just how "unfun" is this deck in comparison to most Jhoira decks? So far my play group hasn't disliked it since it's easily stoppable, takes time unless no one ever answers Omniscience or an Extra Turn card in my graveyard.
I just feel it might be too good to keep playing in a fun, easy going environment. I don't get ganged up as much as the next guy for who I pick to run but I want to be fair to all I play with.
Of course Card Ideas/Modifications are always welcome.
Updates:
March 1st, 2013
- Major Update to Cards via Time Cards [e.g. Time Spiral, Time Stop, Telling Time]
- Kept Ulamog in for Anti-Mill & Library Refreshal
- Added Obstinate Familiar to be able to stop myself from drawing out under certain conditions, mostly within my own upkeep.
March 15th, 2013
-Removed Otherworld Atlas, That Which Was Taken, Mercurial Chemister, Molten Primordial, Akroma's Memorial, Diluvian Primordial, Copy Enchantment
-Added Darksteel Ingot, Venser, Shaper Savant, Sakashima the Impostor, Vesuvan Shapeshifter, Coalition Relic, Gilded Lotus, Lighthouse Chronologist
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG
I didn't want to go with the Eldarzi, I think they're kinda mean.
I'm not a big fan of Ulamog in here. I feel bad when he hits the board and no one has an answer for a few turns. I'm probably at least changing him out for Kozilek for the draw.
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG
Jhoira decks with them in them round my way are cliche and get beaten up, she's already bullied out of play most of the time. I use my puppy dog eyes, it really helps. it's way more cheesy than Eldrazi, it's even more cliche but it's hard to resist.
Here is my list Excluding the dumb cards I am using for place holders.
1x Jhoira
1x Aeon Chronicler
1x Aether Membrane
1x Archaeomancer
1x Djinn Illuminatus
1x Fog Bank
1x Galvanoth
1x Goblin Electromancer
1x Gomazoa
1x Guard Gomazoa
1x Hypersonic Dragon
1x Izzet Chronarch
1x Lighthouse Chronologist
1x Mercurial Chemister
1x Mnemonic Wall
1x Nivix Guildmage
1x Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
1x Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind
1x Rift Elemental
1x Shivan Sand-Mage
1x Spellbound Dragon
1x Wall of Tears
Enchantments: 6
1x Clout of the Dominus
1x Confiscate
1x Curiosity
1x Ophidian Eye
1x Paradox Haze
1x Slow Motion
1x Elixer of Immortality
1x Expedition Map
1x Isochron Scepter
1x Izzet Keyrune
1x Izzet Signet
1x Jhoira's Timebug
1x Mindslaver
1x Sensei's Divinging Top
1x Solemn Simulacrum
Sorceries: 9
1x Epic Experiment
1x Invoke the Firemind
1x Ponder
1x Reminisce
1x Savor the Moment
1x Temporal Mastery
1x Time Stretch
1x Time Warp
1x Walk the Aeons
Instants: 16
1x Blustersquall
1x Brainstorm
1x Capsize
1x Clockspinning
1x Complicate
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Firemind's Foresight
1x Fury Charm
1x High Tide
1x Hinder
1x Izzet Charm
1x Prophetic Bolt
1x Reiterate
1x Reverberate
1x Timecrafting
1x Twincast
1x Desolate Lighthouse
Chronologist lives)
1x Evolving Wilds
1x Forgotten Cave
1x Halimar Depths
1x Izzet Boilerworks
1x Izzet Guildgate
1x Lonely Sandbar
1x Nivix, Aerie of the Firemind
1x Remote Isle
1x Tectonic Edge
1x Temple of the False God
1x Terrain Generator
1x Terramorphic Expanse
1x Reliquary Tower
12x Island
12x Mountain
I have to do a little order to get the ten or so cards I need.
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG
I found it pretty fun when I see the look in their face.
I play it like playing Snap.
They draw, then I go. SNAP! or TIMESTOP!
They look up cockeyed and go; "Fair enough"
Best played when you know they're about to combo something to distract them.
It's also a Scott M Fischer card, I love his art man, man, his art man.
I'll shed a tear.
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG
How do you propose to get something other than a 9/9 Trampler?
I added more cards to my list.
It worked really well, I kinda mana screwed him by tectonic edging his boilerworks and having him wheel of fortune himself.
Also on turn three I had a brainstorm attached to my Isochron, it was a bit silly.
I still feel like I need more anti aggression cards. Maybe Propaganda?
UBRSedris, the Necromancer KingUBR
Propaganda
Meishin, the Mind Cage <- Given my amount of draw I've seen this hit obscene levels.
Currently re-working the deck a bit, Tappedout link in my signature has the most recently updated list. Subtle changes mostly.
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG
Twin casting though
I hope she will Twincast my Time warps.
Links in signatures that are meant to go to decklists but instead go to maggiccards.info make me sad.
Decks:
Fav: RUB PlaneswalkersBUR
GB Paint the Town Brick by Bloody BrickBG
EDH:
Fav: RUJhoira of the GhituUR
GOmnath, Locus of Mana ElvesG
WUBRGCircle of Elemental LifeGRBUW
GWSigarda, Voltron of AngelsWG