So for my latest EDH deck, I wanted to use the card Primal Surge, meaning having a deck with all permanents, mainly creatures. Animar seems like a good general to use with a deck with a large amount of creatures, plus he makes for a good deck on his own, not to mention I've always wanted to make an Animar deck.
There's also a bit of an "enter the battlefield" trigger usage theme, as well, though that's mainly from using the creatures that would replace the spells I would run in the deck (removal)
A big issue is there's no real tutor (that I can think of) for Survival of the Fittest (or any of the artifacts) that's also a permanent, besides something real mana-intensive like Planar Portal.
Cards on the chopping block: Viashino Heretic - I should probably replace this with a card with an "enter the battlefield" trigger. Myojin of Life's Web - Often times I don't have that many creatures in hand.
In addition, I feel as though the deck doesn't have enough card draw, plus it could use more ramp.
Are there any suggestions or good cards that I missed (keeping in mind that I want to keep the deck all permanents)?
I have been thinking about converting my existing Animar to Surge, currently I am running Mimeoplasm with Surge, though my testing has been limited as its slow where I play for Commander right now.
Haha, yesterday I decided to make my fledgling Animardeck into a Primal Surge deck. Altough I still need a lot of cards, including Primal Surge.
I'll post my current list later, when I have more time.
For now some suggestions:
I don't know about a Tutor for Survival but blue offers two very awesome permanent Artifact Tutors: Tezzeret, the Seeker: He can get all of the artifacts in your list, except for 8Conjurers Clost. Depending on what you want need, he can get more than just one artifact. Trinket Mage: Already has four targets in your list. I'd add Tormods Crypt for some GY hate which is always good.
You should definitely add some clones. They are among the most vesatile options blue has in the creature department. They can kill opposing commanders and other legendaries (regardless of shroud, hexpoof, protection or indestructability) , they can rob an opponent of the advantage he has by having some awesome creature and they can double the benefit of your own creatures.
There are Phantasmal Image, Clone, Skashimas Student,Vesuvan Doppelganger and Phyrexian Metamorph which gets bonuspoints for beiing abel top copy artifacts and is tutorable by Tezzeret.
This is still a work in progress. I'm still missing many cards like Primal Surge itself (for now I use Genesis Wave) or Tezzeret (Fabricate as placeholder)
The manabase is currently the biggest week point, but as anyone knows a good manabase can be quite costly.
Here is a list of cards I'd still like to play in this deck:
I know you said it was mana intensive bu I would still run Planar Portal. You have a decent amount of ramp and it gets your wincon. I would also run more etb draw effects so that lab maniac will win you the game right away when surge resolves. If you add them you should also add Riftsweeper to make sure you can keep it safe.
With Animar, there are enough other things you can do you cold leave out Planar Portal and just use Primal Surge as a backup plan.
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I absolutely agree with this!
A problem I always had with Animar is that it often has a hard time coming back from a sweep. That's why my plan B is actually to have some decent ramping going on so I can also hardcast my fatties.
To protect myself from sweeps I run Eldrazi Monument (which is also awesome to go for the kill).
I'm also thinking of Cauldron of Souls which also works awesomely with Oran-Rief, Zameck Guildmage and (if I choose to include it) Novijen, Heart of Progress
I have found the best way to play Animar is to cast him as soon as you can and dabble with your board to force a sweep, then after you re-cast start building. That is why I play a fair amount of ramp in my deck, to be able to re-cast him a couple of times.
Massive bump, but I was pretty sure that I made a thread on here for my Animar deck. I've made a few changes, such as adding clones and Birthing Pod, as recommended.
- Sylvan Ranger
- Viashino Heretic
- Squee, Goblin Nabob
- Yavimaya Elder
- Bloodbraid Elf
- Seedguide Ash
- Inferno Titan
- Etherium-Horn Sorcerer
- Sphinx of Uthuun
- Maelstrom Wanderer
- Myojin of Life's Web
- Myojin of Seeing Winds
- Lurking Predators
- Mana Reflection
- Conjurer's Clost
- Garruk Wildspeaker
- 2 Island
- 5 Forest
+ Phantasmal Image
+ Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
+ Yavimaya Granger
+ Clone,
+ Glen Elendra Archmange
+ Phyrexian Metamorph
+ Sakashima the Imposter
+ Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
+ Draining Whelk
+ Deadwood Treefolk
+ Progenitor Mimic
+ Sylvan Primordial
+ Tezzeret the Seeker
+ City of Solitude
+ Alchemist's Refuge
+ Boseiju, Who Shelters All
+ Temple of the False God
+ Thespian's Stage
+ Yavimaya Hollow
+ Zoetic Cavern
The deck plays pretty well. Either you ramp into Primal Surge and win the game that way, or you ramp and play a bunch of awesome creatures and clone them.
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With that said, here's what I have so far:
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Spore Frog
2 Void Stalker
2 Fauna Shaman
2 Gyre Sage
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Sylvan Ranger
2 Coiling Oracle
2 Spellskite
3 Laboratory Maniac
3 Viashino Heretic
3 Squee, Goblin Nabob
3 Caller of the Claw
3 Farhaven Elf
3 Fertilid
3 Wood Elves
3 Eternal Witness
3 Yavimaya Elder
4 Venser, Shaper Savant
4 Anger
4 Forgotten Ancient
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
4 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Mystic Snake
4 Solemn Simulacrum
5 Mulldrifter
5 Urabrask, the Hidden
5 Zealous Conscripts
5 Seedguide Ash
5 Genesis
5 Acidic Slime
6 Consecrated Sphinx
6 Deadeye Navigator
6 Inferno Titan
6 Primordial Sage
6 Soul of the Harvest
6 Etherium-Horn Sorcerer
6 Prime Speaker Zegana
6 Wurmcoil Engine
6 Steel Hellkite
7 Palinchron
7 Sphinx of Uthuun
8 Terastodon
8 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
8 Maelstrom Wanderer
9 Myojin of Life's Web
10 Myojin of Seeing Winds
10 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
11 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
4 Defense of the Heart
5 Asceticism
6 Lurking Predators
6 Mana Reflection
0 Mana Crypt
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
3 Cloudstone Curio
5 Conjurer's Closet
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
10 Primal Surge
1 Volcanic Island
1 Tropical Island
1 Taiga
1 Steam Vents
1 Breeding Pool
1 Stomping Ground
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Flooded Grove
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Forbidden Orchard
1 Command Tower
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Strip Mine
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Homeward Path
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
5 Island
3 Mountain
9 Forest
There's also a bit of an "enter the battlefield" trigger usage theme, as well, though that's mainly from using the creatures that would replace the spells I would run in the deck (removal)
A big issue is there's no real tutor (that I can think of) for Survival of the Fittest (or any of the artifacts) that's also a permanent, besides something real mana-intensive like Planar Portal.
Cards on the chopping block:
Viashino Heretic - I should probably replace this with a card with an "enter the battlefield" trigger.
Myojin of Life's Web - Often times I don't have that many creatures in hand.
In addition, I feel as though the deck doesn't have enough card draw, plus it could use more ramp.
Are there any suggestions or good cards that I missed (keeping in mind that I want to keep the deck all permanents)?
Modern: :symu::symb::symr: Reanimator + :symr::symg: Tron + :symu::symr: Twin
Things I would suggest:
City of Solitude the absolute best protection for Primal Surge
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Dosan the Falling Leaf
all of these will protect your board after Primal Surge resolves
Boseiju, Who Shelters All so you can get off Primal Surge counter free
Expedition Map to get Boseiju or Cradle
Earthcraft + Man-o'-War/Shrieking Drake + Animar is just bonkers!
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
I'll post my current list later, when I have more time.
For now some suggestions:
I don't know about a Tutor for Survival but blue offers two very awesome permanent Artifact Tutors:
Tezzeret, the Seeker: He can get all of the artifacts in your list, except for 8Conjurers Clost. Depending on what you want need, he can get more than just one artifact.
Trinket Mage: Already has four targets in your list. I'd add Tormods Crypt for some GY hate which is always good.
You should definitely add some clones. They are among the most vesatile options blue has in the creature department. They can kill opposing commanders and other legendaries (regardless of shroud, hexpoof, protection or indestructability) , they can rob an opponent of the advantage he has by having some awesome creature and they can double the benefit of your own creatures.
There are Phantasmal Image, Clone, Skashimas Student,Vesuvan Doppelganger and Phyrexian Metamorph which gets bonuspoints for beiing abel top copy artifacts and is tutorable by Tezzeret.
Zameck Guildmage, Edric, Spymaster of Trest, Prime Speaker Zegana, Elvish Visionary, Knollspine Dragon and Regal Force would be some options for more carddrawing.
EDIT: Birthing Pod is a must for a deck with so many ETB creatures!
Well that's my current list, I'll try to keep it updated
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Ulvenwald Tracker
1 Veteran Explorer
1 Sakura-Tribe Scout
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Fauna Shaman
2 Coiling Oracle
2 Sylvan Ranger
2 Elvish Visionary
2 Zameck Guildmage
2 Joiner Adept
2 Willbender
3 Wood Elves
3 Farhaven Elf
3 Fierence Empath
3 Eternal Witness
3 Somberwald Sage
3 Yavimaya Elder
4 Oracle of Mul-Daya
4 Mystic Snake
4 Clone
4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Wickerbough Elder
4 Flametongue Kavu
4 Anger
4 Bloodbraid Elf
5 Acdic Slime
5 Indrik Stomphowler
5 Vesuvan Doppelganger
5 Magus of the Future
5 Zealous Conscripts
5 Mulldrifer
6 Soul of the Harvest
6 Primordial Sage
6 Duplicant
6 Deadwood Treefolk
6 Steel Hellkite
6 Draining Whelk
6 Spitebellows
7 Sphinx of Uthun
7 Knollspine Dragon
7 Regal Force
7 Garruks Horde
8 Maelstrom Wanderer
8 Woodfall Primus
8 Scourge of Kher Ridges
8 Tidesprout Tyrant
8 Bogardan Hellkeite
9 Artisan of Kozilek
1 Sol Ring
1 Skullclamp
2 Gruul Signet
2 Izzet Signet
2 Coldsteel Heart
3 Oblivion Stone
3 Cloudstone Curio
4 Birthing Pod
5 Eldrazi Monument
6 Lurking Predators
Lands
0 Halimar Depths
0 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
0 Llanowar Reborn
0 Terramorphic Expanse
0 Evolving Wilds
0 Command Tower
0 Rootbound Crag
0 Firelit Thicket
0 Kessing Wolf Run
0 Temple of the Flase God
0 Misty Rainforest
0 Simic Growth Chamber
0 Izzet Boilerworks
0 Gruul Turf
0 Vivid Grove
0 Vivid Creek
9 Forest
8 Island
5 Mountain
This is still a work in progress. I'm still missing many cards like Primal Surge itself (for now I use Genesis Wave) or Tezzeret (Fabricate as placeholder)
The manabase is currently the biggest week point, but as anyone knows a good manabase can be quite costly.
Here is a list of cards I'd still like to play in this deck:
GWKarametra - The MistveiledGW
GWR Marath - The Egg-laying Wool-Milk-Pig GWR
RBGrenzo - Restrained RakdosRB
UWRGBHorde of NotionsUWRGB
Retired: Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Rafiq of the Many | Animar, Soul of Elements | Maelstrom Wanderer
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
I absolutely agree with this!
A problem I always had with Animar is that it often has a hard time coming back from a sweep. That's why my plan B is actually to have some decent ramping going on so I can also hardcast my fatties.
To protect myself from sweeps I run Eldrazi Monument (which is also awesome to go for the kill).
I'm also thinking of Cauldron of Souls which also works awesomely with Oran-Rief, Zameck Guildmage and (if I choose to include it) Novijen, Heart of Progress
GWKarametra - The MistveiledGW
GWR Marath - The Egg-laying Wool-Milk-Pig GWR
RBGrenzo - Restrained RakdosRB
UWRGBHorde of NotionsUWRGB
Retired: Karador, Ghost Chieftain | Rafiq of the Many | Animar, Soul of Elements | Maelstrom Wanderer
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Azusa - Derevi - Glissa - Mizzix - Sharuum - Wanderer - Wort
Here's the current list:
1 Spore Frog
2 Phantasmal Image
2 Void Stalker
2 Bloom Tender
2 Fauna Shaman
2 Gyre Sage
2 Lotus Cobra
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Coiling Oracle
2 Spellskite
3 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
3 Laboratory Maniac
3 Caller of the Claw
3 Eternal Witness
3 Farhaven Elf
3 Fertilid
3 Wood Elves
3 Yavimaya Granger
4 Clone
4 Glen Elendra Archmage
4 Phyrexian Metamorph
4 Sakashima the Impostor
4 Venser, Shaper Savant
5 Anger
4 Oracle of Mul Daya
4 Forgotten Ancient
4 Mystic Snake
4 Solemn Simulacrum
5 Mulldrifter
5 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
5 Urabrask the Hidden
5 Zealous Conscripts
5 Acidic Slime
5 Genesis
6 Consecrated Sphinx
6 Deadeye Navigator
6 Draining Whelk
6 Deadwood Treefolk
6 Primordial Sage
6 Soul of the Harvest
6 Prime Speaker Zegana
6 Progenitor Mimic
6 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
6 Steel Hellkite
6 Wurmcoil Engine
7 Palinchron
7 Sylvan Primordial
8 Terastodon
8 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
8 Woodfall Primus
10 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
11 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
2 Survival of the Fittest
3 City of Solitude
5 Asceticism
0 Mana Crypt
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
3 Cloudstone Curio
4 Birthing Pod
5 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Alchemist's Refuge
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Breeding Pool
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Command Tower
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Forbidden Orchard
1 Flooded Grove
4 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Homeward Path
3 Island
1 Misty Rainforest
3 Mountain
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Scalding Tarn
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Strip Mine
1 Taiga
1 Temple of the False God
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Tropical Island
1 Volcanic Island
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Yavimaya Hollow
1 Zoetic Cavern
Here are the changes between the lists:
- Sylvan Ranger
- Viashino Heretic
- Squee, Goblin Nabob
- Yavimaya Elder
- Bloodbraid Elf
- Seedguide Ash
- Inferno Titan
- Etherium-Horn Sorcerer
- Sphinx of Uthuun
- Maelstrom Wanderer
- Myojin of Life's Web
- Myojin of Seeing Winds
- Lurking Predators
- Mana Reflection
- Conjurer's Clost
- Garruk Wildspeaker
- 2 Island
- 5 Forest
+ Phantasmal Image
+ Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
+ Yavimaya Granger
+ Clone,
+ Glen Elendra Archmange
+ Phyrexian Metamorph
+ Sakashima the Imposter
+ Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
+ Draining Whelk
+ Deadwood Treefolk
+ Progenitor Mimic
+ Sylvan Primordial
+ Tezzeret the Seeker
+ City of Solitude
+ Alchemist's Refuge
+ Boseiju, Who Shelters All
+ Temple of the False God
+ Thespian's Stage
+ Yavimaya Hollow
+ Zoetic Cavern
The deck plays pretty well. Either you ramp into Primal Surge and win the game that way, or you ramp and play a bunch of awesome creatures and clone them.
Modern: :symu::symb::symr: Reanimator + :symr::symg: Tron + :symu::symr: Twin