So I posted two decks that are pretty much done. I wanted to post a deck that I'm currently working on and isn't finished. The goal being that maybe I can involve some of you into the discussion because this guy is pretty new.
Now I'm seeing a lot of black green good stuff with some recursion. And while I think that yeah that's what he's meant for, I wanted to take a slightly skewed look at Jarad. I want it to be black green with recursions to abuse some sac'ing and typical graveyard play. However, I want to focus on one particular card.
(can you tell I just learned the spoiler feature :D)
So here is a base shell I'd like to work with, maybe alter the number of rats and change the mana base. Mostly I just want some options working with the rats. Because the way I see it, you get the strong overrun with the rats, however, if Jarad eneters the fray with a few rats on board, Jarad's ability becomes a house.
With his current number of rats I wouldn't suggest Thrumming stone. He really needs a minimum of 25 rats imo to make it worth it. 25 rats gives him an average of 1 rat every 4 cards, which is exactly what you need for thrumming stones to net you a chain of rats into play. Any less than 25 and you are going to maybe get 1 rat off of every other rat. It's just not consistent enough imo.
So I'm moving to a few more creatures other than rats because I feel like the recursion works a little more. I notice I can get a good amount of rats without having to go for obvious cheats (portal/gateway), and they seem to get plenty big on their own.
Yeah, someone was doing a UBG rats build just to use Sphinx of the Chimes which I thought was amazing, but I just like the option Jarad has should my board get wiped.
The problem I'm seeing with enchantments is that once they get targeted down, I don't really have a way of bringing them back aside from playing Eternal Witness (which I feel like I have too many non-rats as it is). Is there something I'm missing that can recur? Maybe Beacon of Unrest? Also I was thinking about Sheoldred, Whispering One as a means to recur/control creature boards.
As I play tested the Jitte, I noticed only one thing happening with it, people would target it down quickly. Maybe my playgroup is just too weary about letting it sit on the field. Plus I'd rather spend that 4 to give me turn advantage, I like being able to play reactively anyway and I'm going to be getting Winding Canyons soon to help with that.
So getting back on track of helping me with the deck, what are some cards we can suggest to help improve the idea of this deck?
Now I'm seeing a lot of black green good stuff with some recursion. And while I think that yeah that's what he's meant for, I wanted to take a slightly skewed look at Jarad. I want it to be black green with recursions to abuse some sac'ing and typical graveyard play. However, I want to focus on one particular card.
So here is a base shell I'd like to work with, maybe alter the number of rats and change the mana base. Mostly I just want some options working with the rats. Because the way I see it, you get the strong overrun with the rats, however, if Jarad eneters the fray with a few rats on board, Jarad's ability becomes a house.
The shell
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Creatures
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Brawn
1 Filth
1 Genesis
1 Acidic Slime
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Elvish Piper
1 Silklash Spider
25 Relentless Rats (just a current number, can always change)
Planeswalker
1 Vraska the Unseen
Instants
1 Harrow
1 Putrefy
1 Constant Mists
1 Ad Nauseam
1 Momentous Fall
1 Chord of Calling
1 Krosan Grip
1 Beast Within
Sorceries
1 Life from the Loam
1 Kodama's Reach
1 Cultivate
1 Repay in Kind
1 Diabolic Revelation
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Buried Alive
1 Genesis Wave
1 Skyshroud Claim
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Desert Storm
1 Collective Voyage
1 Buried Alive
1 Overwhelming Stampede
1 Lurking Predators
1 Necropotence
1 Sylvan Library
1 Phyrexian Arena
Artifacts
1 Coat of Arms
1 Sol Ring
1 Caged Sun
1 Druidic Satchel
1 Vedalken Orrery
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Thrumming Stone
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Expedition Map
Lands
1 Temple of the False God
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Barren Moor
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Svogthos, the Restless Tomb
1 Tainted Wood
1 Vesuva
1 Winding Canyons
1 Mostwort Bridge
1 Jund Panorama
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yogmoth
1 Cabal Coffers
7 Swamp
8 Forrest
So it's the start to a deck and I'd like to see what everyone comes up with. No card is permanent (except the rats) and so lets where it goes.
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem
WUB Sharuum the Hegemon, the Destroyer of Darksteel
BGW Teneb, the Harvester, my Pimped Out Reanimator
GUB The Mimeoplasm Ooze-Mill
GWU Rafiq the Exalted
With his current number of rats I wouldn't suggest Thrumming stone. He really needs a minimum of 25 rats imo to make it worth it. 25 rats gives him an average of 1 rat every 4 cards, which is exactly what you need for thrumming stones to net you a chain of rats into play. Any less than 25 and you are going to maybe get 1 rat off of every other rat. It's just not consistent enough imo.
So I'll put 25 rats and 1 stone on the board.
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem
Maybe an Expedition Map in order to get out Urborg or coffers out more consistently?
My land base is looking really small, where should I cut?
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem
out/in
Oracle of Mul Daya/Seedborn Muse
Sudden Death/Overwhelming Stampede
Hero's Demise/Silklash Spider
Belbe's Portal/Elvish Piper
Cryptic Gateway/Constant Mists
Umezawa's Jitte/Vedalken Orrery
Edit: also got out Phyrexian Reclamation. In Expedition Map.
So I'm moving to a few more creatures other than rats because I feel like the recursion works a little more. I notice I can get a good amount of rats without having to go for obvious cheats (portal/gateway), and they seem to get plenty big on their own.
Any more help will be kindly accepted as always.
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem
Nantuko Shrine has potential
Too bad you cant play Sphinx of the Chimes ahaha
Mimeoplasm Midrange, CHAINER CHAINER HIGH VOLTAGE
Rafiq of the Astral Slide, 67land.dec Child of Alara, Gisela <3 Sunforger
TRADE!?WUBRGMy Pauper Cube
Sek'Kuar, Deathkeeper, Phage the Uncastable, Azusa Lost but Stompy, Crosis Combo Breaker, All-In-Skullbriar, Rafiq/Jenara ETB army, Hazezon Swarm, Glissa Voltron!, Jarad Zombie Tribal, Zedruu Pillowfort, Reaper King Artifact Shenanagains
The problem I'm seeing with enchantments is that once they get targeted down, I don't really have a way of bringing them back aside from playing Eternal Witness (which I feel like I have too many non-rats as it is). Is there something I'm missing that can recur? Maybe Beacon of Unrest? Also I was thinking about Sheoldred, Whispering One as a means to recur/control creature boards.
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem
Mid-Tier:
Filthy Casual: WUBRG Jodah WUBRG WUBRG Fatties WUBRG
So getting back on track of helping me with the deck, what are some cards we can suggest to help improve the idea of this deck?
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem
1 Could use a bit more land to draw into.
2 Needs a few board wipes.
3 Some added draw would be good.
So as a result:
In/Out
Winding Canyons/Summoning Trap
Vesuva/Yavimaya Hollow
Necropotence/Gravestorm
Unfortunately I don't have any sweepers at the moment, and I'm not sure what to take out for them.
WUBRGUnexpected Results
WBRAggro Burn Flicker
EDH:
GOmnath, Locust of Mana (Retired)
BUSygg, River Cutthroat
RBosh, Iron Golem