Thanks Blackjack68. I knew I forgot something important with the metamorph. Good point about Homeward Path too. The only answer I have so far is to steal it
I play a similar Thada Adel deck and Rishadan Pawnshop and Helm of Possession have been really important cards. Obviously you end up with your opponents trying to get their stuff back and Pawnshop is a cheap solution to that nonsense. I love stealing generals with Shackles and then Pawning them into their deck, but it's an insurance policy that can save your ass sometimes. Helm of Posession is great in a deck like this since it can "upgrade" the creatures you steal. Similar to Pawnshop I love being able to kill off the first creature I stole, but in this case you get something in return.
I play a similar Thada Adel deck and Rishadan Pawnshop and Helm of Possession have been really important cards. Obviously you end up with your opponents trying to get their stuff back and Pawnshop is a cheap solution to that nonsense. I love stealing generals with Shackles and then Pawning them into their deck, but it's an insurance policy that can save your ass sometimes. Helm of Posession is great in a deck like this since it can "upgrade" the creatures you steal. Similar to Pawnshop I love being able to kill off the first creature I stole, but in this case you get something in return.
That a really good idea. I'll have to start looking for a Helm and Pawnshop
I've been having a hell of a hard time lately playing this deck against My regular playgroup's resident douche bag and His Gaddock Teeg lock down deck. He uses Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Stony Silence, Cursed Totem and things like that protects them with things like Asceticism and Privileged Position, etc.... Short of taking Him out to the car park (It already crossed My mind) Does anybody have any suggestions on how I could deal with that?
vedalken shackels. hands down one of the best cards in mono blue. i also cannot stress enough how key it is to have your own targets to copy. i run a small set of "finishers" in my saka build, and hands down they are some of the best things to copy
chancellor of the spires - i have kept a table with karn, momir vig and ghave in check with this guy thanks to an austere command soft lock
frost titan - unbelievably underrated in edh. especially when you opponents are staring down like 7 of them, haha.
quicksilver gargantuan [copying anything] - set him to anything, then have your clones copy him. they will CiP as 7/7s also.
vedalken shackels. hands down one of the best cards in mono blue. i also cannot stress enough how key it is to have your own targets to copy. i run a small set of "finishers" in my saka build, and hands down they are some of the best things to copy
quicksilver gargantuan [copying anything] - set him to anything, then have your clones copy him. they will CiP as 7/7s also.
I've got these 2 in there. I'm not sure about Your have finishers theory, I tried this with Consecrated Sphinx and a few other things and it didn't work well for Me
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chancellor of the spires - i have kept a table with karn, momir vig and ghave in check with this guy thanks to an austere command soft lock
I tried Him in the deck for a while but He always seemed to bite Me on the ass. He'd get pulled outta My graveyard by black decks or stolen by other blue decks and I'd end up seeing it across the table more often than not.
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frost titan - unbelievably underrated in edh. especially when you opponents are staring down like 7 of them, haha.
I've had to overlook a few obvious inclusions this time such as Desertion, Spelljack and Gather Specimens to add more creatures and card selection to get around the fact that We have a Gaddock Teeg deck back at our table
As for your Gaddock Teeg problem, you have a couple of options.
1) You have to copy it to make it go back to the Command Zone via the Legend Rule.
2) Constantly bounce or Pongify it. But, this takes up deck space.
3) Hinder it when it is cast. This also takes up some deck space, but it is more versatile.
4) Use Threads of Disloyalty to take control of Gaddock Teeg. It is one of the few noncreature spells that will get around Gaddock Teeg's ability.
Also, you probably want Phantasmal Image. Of course, Phantasmal Image will die if it is targeted, but it is a cheap copy spell.
You can always run some green-hate maindeck, seeing as teeg is always there. yeah it's kinda douchey but whatever. Clone it to death over and over, maybe use some bouncy creatures, Time Elemental, Temporal Adept, etc. Memory Lapse will buy you a turn, and give the table a chance to make him shuffle. This seems like one of those times where you start looking at obscure cards that work in this situation.
Thanks for the advice guys but the Gaddock Teeg problem sorted it's self out. He swithed to Sigarda as His general because He got sick of Our Eight-and-a-Half-Tails player hitting teeg with spot removal then wrecking his mana base with All is Dust
1 Sakashima the Impostor
LAND
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1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 High Market
1 Temple of the False God
1 Ancient Tomb
1 Soldevi Excavations
1 Scrying Sheets
1 Academy Ruins
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Tolaria West
1 Vesuva
DUDES
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1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Empress Galina
1 Memnarch
1 Clone
1 Vesuvan Doppelganger
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Quicksilver Gargantuan
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1 Sower of Temptation
1 Callous Oppressor
1 Gilded Drake
1 Beguiler of Wills
1 Sakashima's Student
1 Commandeer
1 Reins of Power
1 Spelljack
1 Desertion
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Dominate
1 Gather Specimens
PLANESWALKERS
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
SORCERIES
1 Acquire
1 Bribery
1 Blatant Thievery
1 Knowledge Exploitation
1 Rite of Replication
ARTIFACTS
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Sculpting Steel
1 Mimic Vat
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Helm of Possession
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Sapphire Medallion
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Extraplanar Lens
1 Caged Sun
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Annex
1 Copy Artifact
1 Copy Enchantment
1 Control Magic
1 Confiscate
1 Corrupted Conscience
1 Dream Leash
1 Steal Artifact
1 Steal Enchantment
1 Treachery
1 Take Possession
1 Volition Reins
1 Followed Footsteps
1 Mind Control
1 Persuasion
1 Infinite Reflection
1 Back from the Brink
Needs Strip Mine and Tectonic Edge or Wasteland to deal with the inevitable Homeward Path.
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Thanks Blackjack68. I knew I forgot something important with the metamorph. Good point about Homeward Path too. The only answer I have so far is to steal it
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That a really good idea. I'll have to start looking for a Helm and Pawnshop
They would be but I don't see how either helps Me with My Gaddock Teeg problem. That's the only deck I'm having any trouble at all against right now
chancellor of the spires - i have kept a table with karn, momir vig and ghave in check with this guy thanks to an austere command soft lock
frost titan - unbelievably underrated in edh. especially when you opponents are staring down like 7 of them, haha.
quicksilver gargantuan [copying anything] - set him to anything, then have your clones copy him. they will CiP as 7/7s also.
I've got these 2 in there. I'm not sure about Your have finishers theory, I tried this with Consecrated Sphinx and a few other things and it didn't work well for Me
I tried Him in the deck for a while but He always seemed to bite Me on the ass. He'd get pulled outta My graveyard by black decks or stolen by other blue decks and I'd end up seeing it across the table more often than not.
This is an interesting idea
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This is a good idea. I'll have to have a look for 1.
I'm thinking of cutting Nim Deathmantle and Back from the Brink for Beguiler of Wills and Aura Thief. The Aura Thief in particular should be good against the Gaddock Teeg deck I've been having trouble with since most of the defense for His locks are Enchantments
-1 Nim Deathmantle
-1 Back from the Brink
+ 1 Beguiler of Wills
+ 1 Proteus Staff
I've had to overlook a few obvious inclusions this time such as Desertion, Spelljack and Gather Specimens to add more creatures and card selection to get around the fact that We have a Gaddock Teeg deck back at our table
- 1 Dominating Licid
- 1 Shapesharer
+ 1 Gilded Lotus
+ 1 Sapphire Medallion
+ 1 Reshape
I win by stealing and/or copying other peoples win conditions
1) You have to copy it to make it go back to the Command Zone via the Legend Rule.
2) Constantly bounce or Pongify it. But, this takes up deck space.
3) Hinder it when it is cast. This also takes up some deck space, but it is more versatile.
4) Use Threads of Disloyalty to take control of Gaddock Teeg. It is one of the few noncreature spells that will get around Gaddock Teeg's ability.
Also, you probably want Phantasmal Image. Of course, Phantasmal Image will die if it is targeted, but it is a cheap copy spell.