Alright. As some of you may know I've been trying to make a deck that beats mono blue really badly. After a lot of feedback I've decided to go with Mono-Red Goblins with Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician as the general. Here's what I've got so far. Note: I want this deck to beat blue, but beat other decks at the same time. Some more blue hate will find it's way in here once I clear out some space, but I don't want it all to be blue hate.
Now. One big problem I have is that I have a lot of goblins and very few mountains in a very land needy deck. I don't know which goblins to cut though, they all seem good to me. Does anyone have any suggestions to help that problem out, and to help the deck in general? I know there's a lot of artifact hate in this deck, and I run no artifacts. Artifacts are usually a big problem in EDH as a whole and especially in the deck I'm trying to beat... A lot of hate is good. It might be a little too much though, tell me if you think so. I think that's it, Thanks in advance for all your help :D.
Note: Goblin Soothsayer has some ugly art.
If you whole goal is to stop blue players....scrap the goblin Idea it requires alot of cards and over extends. Adding green has some other great cards for anti-blue and is also an enemy of that blue. If you want to keep mono-red you might wanna go with Jaya Ballard, Task Mage. she seems like a better general since her ability blows up blue stuff. If you do decide to go red/green go with Radha, Heir to Keld to ramp out the hate.
I want to keep it mono-color, so I'd rather not do the RG route, but thanks to the suggestion. Jaya Ballard, Task Mage might be too centered around beating blue (and I spent like an hour looking up cards for this deck, I had to look through all goblins multiple times), but she probably will make the deck. As much as I'd love to make the ultimate blue beating deck, I want it to have a chance against other decks as well. I think I have two cards in the deck that actually deal with blue, although more will probably find their way in.... Three cards you mentioned are already in the deck as well.
My main problem right now is finding what to remove to make room for more things. Anyone have suggestions for that?
Akki Underminer - Too unreliable. If it was any damage, it'd be fine, but I'm not sure you'll be able to sneak through with a 1/1 on turn 5. Battle Squadron - Many times it'll be a 1/1 flyer for 5... I'd rather have a Goblin Glider... and that's saying a lot. It's a horrible topdeck. Firefright Mage - Discarding a card for Intimidate is pretty poor. Goblin Archaeologist - Only possibly. It's a good card, but a bit unreliable. Only cut this if you REALLY have to fit something else in. Goblin Assassin - If it was only your opponents, I'd keep it in, but it can hurt you, too. Goblin Pyromancer - I'm not sure you'll have enough Goblins out for this thing's plus side to outweigh leaving you completely open for attack. However, if you have a sac engine out enough of the time... I guess it's worth it. If you're going to use this guy, you NEED Goblin Bombardment. Goblin Sappers - Pretty underwhelming... Goblin Tunneler - See above. Bash to Bits - You have enough artifact hate. Wild Ricochet - It's a bit too reactionary.
Akki Underminer - Too unreliable. If it was any damage, it'd be fine, but I'm not sure you'll be able to sneak through with a 1/1 on turn 5. Battle Squadron - Many times it'll be a 1/1 flyer for 5... I'd rather have a Goblin Glider... and that's saying a lot. It's a horrible topdeck. Firefright Mage - Discarding a card for Intimidate is pretty poor. Goblin Archaeologist - Only possibly. It's a good card, but a bit unreliable. Only cut this if you REALLY have to fit something else in. Goblin Assassin - If it was only your opponents, I'd keep it in, but it can hurt you, too. Goblin Pyromancer - I'm not sure you'll have enough Goblins out for this thing's plus side to outweigh leaving you completely open for attack. However, if you have a sac engine out enough of the time... I guess it's worth it. If you're going to use this guy, you NEED Goblin Bombardment. Goblin Sappers - Pretty underwhelming... Goblin Tunneler - See above. Bash to Bits - You have enough artifact hate. Wild Ricochet - It's a bit too reactionary.
Yeah. I agree on most of the cuts. Goblin Tunneler could be nice for getting a Warren Instigator or Goblin Lackey through though. Goblin Sharpshooter doesn't seem to have a super large impact in EDH. If I was running Basilisk Collar then it would be good, but I'm trying to run no artifacts.
I removed some of the less useful spells, or spells that go against what the deck is trying to do, for more lands. I still need at least 10 more lands though. Does anyone have any suggestions? Am I running too much artifact maybe? Is that even possible? Anyone :halo:?
The mass land destruction is so I can sac the lands to make goblins and end up with superior board position. My general's second ability is the main reason I want more lands, but I can try it the way it is. I don't have a Red Elemental Blast around, but I have Pyroblast so I'll probably make that change over.
Edit: I could get a REB for cheap though. Is either better than the other? Also, you've been really useful in helping me get this deck together. Thanks a lot for it
Ah, I get it now. In that case, you could add Decree of Annihilation as another 'geddon. It's instant speed, which is nice against blue. It also draws a card. Also, if your general isn't enough, Devastating Summons goes tremendously well with Goblin Bushwhacker. It also gives you twice the power of your general. Just make sure you float mana before saccing all of em.
I already have Decree of Annihilation in the deck for just that purpose :). I may put in Devastating Summons if I can trade for one cheap, but I don't think I'm going to buy one.
1 Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician
Goblin Creatures - 43
1 Ben-Ben, Akki Hermit
1 Bloodmark Mentor
1 Caterwauling Boggart
1 Goblin Archaeologist
1 Goblin Bushwhacker
1 Goblin Chieftain
1 Goblin Chirurgeon
1 Goblin Gardener
1 Goblin General
1 Goblin Goon
1 Goblin Grenadiers
1 Goblin King
1 Goblin Lackey
1 Goblin Lookout
1 Goblin Marshal
1 Goblin Matron
1 Goblin Piledriver
1 Goblin Razerunners
1 Goblin Recruiter
1 Goblin Ringleader
1 Goblin Settler
1 Goblin Taskmaster
1 Goblin Tinkerer
1 Goblin Tunneler
1 Goblin Vandal
1 Goblin Warchief
1 Goblin Welder
1 Goblin Wizard
1 Horde of Boggarts
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Lightning Crafter
1 Mogg War Marshal
1 Sensation Gorger
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Skirk Fire Marshal
1 Squee, Goblin Nabob
1 Stingscourger
1 Warbreak Trumpeter
1 Warren Instigator
1 Hammer Mage
1 Joven
1 Magus of The Moon
1 Viashino Heretic
Sorceries - 9
1 Boom/Bust
1 Decree of Annihilation
1 Granulate
1 Meltdown
1 Pulverize
1 Ruination
1 Shattering Spree
1 Shatterstorm
1 Wheel of Fortune
Instants - 6
1 Fork
1 Mogg Salvage
1 Pyroblast
1 Rack and Ruin
1 Reiterate
1 Shattering Pulse
Enchantments - 3
1 Blood Moon
1 Price of Glory
1 Vicious Shadows
36 Mountain
Note: Goblin Soothsayer has some ugly art.
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Good point. I already need stuff to cut though :sweat:. Any suggestions?
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here are other cards that are amazing.
Active Volcano
Burnout
Pyroblast
Red Elemental Blast
Sirocco
Slingshot Goblin
Spinal Villain
Boil
Boiling Seas
Cryoclasm
Mogg Salvage
Omen of Fire
Scald
Disruption: blue tends to run lots of non-basic land.
Price of Progress
blood moon
Magus of the Moon
if you add both enemies to blue and go for a red/green general, green has fun options like:
choke
Carpet of Flowers
seedtime
Spellbane Centaur
Eyes of the Wisent
Tsunami
Snake Pit
Mold Adder
Filigree Fracture
Quirion Dryad - pumps when you play red spells
Roots of Life
Rushwood Legate
Thoughtleech
hope this helps.
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BG Varolz, the scar-striped
I want to keep it mono-color, so I'd rather not do the RG route, but thanks to the suggestion. Jaya Ballard, Task Mage might be too centered around beating blue (and I spent like an hour looking up cards for this deck, I had to look through all goblins multiple times), but she probably will make the deck. As much as I'd love to make the ultimate blue beating deck, I want it to have a chance against other decks as well. I think I have two cards in the deck that actually deal with blue, although more will probably find their way in.... Three cards you mentioned are already in the deck as well.
My main problem right now is finding what to remove to make room for more things. Anyone have suggestions for that?
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Akki Underminer - Too unreliable. If it was any damage, it'd be fine, but I'm not sure you'll be able to sneak through with a 1/1 on turn 5.
Battle Squadron - Many times it'll be a 1/1 flyer for 5... I'd rather have a Goblin Glider... and that's saying a lot. It's a horrible topdeck.
Firefright Mage - Discarding a card for Intimidate is pretty poor.
Goblin Archaeologist - Only possibly. It's a good card, but a bit unreliable. Only cut this if you REALLY have to fit something else in.
Goblin Assassin - If it was only your opponents, I'd keep it in, but it can hurt you, too.
Goblin Pyromancer - I'm not sure you'll have enough Goblins out for this thing's plus side to outweigh leaving you completely open for attack. However, if you have a sac engine out enough of the time... I guess it's worth it. If you're going to use this guy, you NEED Goblin Bombardment.
Goblin Sappers - Pretty underwhelming...
Goblin Tunneler - See above.
Bash to Bits - You have enough artifact hate.
Wild Ricochet - It's a bit too reactionary.
Finally... where's your Goblin Sharpshooter?
Yeah. I agree on most of the cuts. Goblin Tunneler could be nice for getting a Warren Instigator or Goblin Lackey through though. Goblin Sharpshooter doesn't seem to have a super large impact in EDH. If I was running Basilisk Collar then it would be good, but I'm trying to run no artifacts.
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Boom/Bust should probably come out for Pyroblast... unless your playgroup is okay with mass LD.
I'd take out Ingot Chewer for Red Elemental Blast. Ingot Chewer is nice... but you have a lot of repeatable artifact hate already.
Edit: I could get a REB for cheap though. Is either better than the other? Also, you've been really useful in helping me get this deck together. Thanks a lot for it
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P.S. I love helping with EDH decks.
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Anyway, Summons are really cheap right now. They're only about $2 each.
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