got some new cards for the deck, including darksteel forge, mana crypt, Filigree angel, Sphinx of the steel wind, gilded lotus, moratorium stone, and The Abyss.
So any constructive advice is welcome.
Something I've been wondering as well. My group demanded erretaing Magister sphinx to 20 life. Has anyone else had their group come up with this problem.
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:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
We've certainly realized the power of Magister Sphinx in our playgroup, but I don't think that it is worth an errata yet. It's still manageable. IMO, you could end up making the deck using it stronger with an errata like that when using it to target yourself late-game.
The Abyss is interesting tech. Hanna's Custody seems weak, though; it's a 'Target Me" card in the same vein as Darksteel Forge, but it doesn't help you protect from sweepers. How is it working for you?
Cryptic Command seems like an odd inclusion to me, seeing that you're not running counters. You could get the other effects elsewhere at an easier cost...
I didn't choose anything over sphinx sovereign, they are both in there. Hanna's custody has been really great actually, only occasionally does it backfire with tezzeret. I found leonin abunas to lacking since he dies to easily, so hanna's custody stayed.
The abyss is most awesome tech for any sharuum deck, It doesn't hit artifact creatures, so it only affects my opponents.
I don't own a mastecore, but i'm using trike more as a 4/4 and leaves does 3 damage.
I always run as many many commands as I can in EDH. I'm not running it simply because it can counter stuff, but more like my mortify and esper charm, it's versitile.
Oh and sundering titan got cut because a friend of mine was playing a domain deck, and our group doesn't play mass land removel and this guy cripples domain, I would play him and my friend just scoops. He's not being whiney, it just to crippling. Same reason no one in my group packs cards like shatterstorm. Cards that only cripple one specific player and don't effect the others are a no-no.
Fair enough, although the Angel and Sovereign seem to be taking up the same role.
With Darksteel Forge in there, you might want to look at Nevinyrral's Disk. It becomes a reusable Soulscour. Oblivion Stone sacrifices, but Forge will still protect your stuff, so it's still rock solid. And both hit enchantments.
I've tried engineered explosives, but I didn't like it. Without being able to set it up to five, it loses power playing it. However I do agree with pithing needle, once I find a foil one.
coalition relic and the disk i'm still looking for. and I agree that courier's capsule can be weak. but it's cheap and recurs. I know i run a few inferior cards to others, but i kind of like these trinket artifacts in the deck that sharuum can grab 5th turn.
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:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
Good ideas! Btw, would any of the other Arcbound work here? Like Arcbound Crusher or the big one for 8 that gives +1/+1 counters to Modular stuff (forget the name)? Also, what Alaran Capsules and Scepters belong in here, if any?
Good ideas! Btw, would any of the other Arcbound work here? Like Arcbound Crusher or the big one for 8 that gives +1/+1 counters to Modular stuff (forget the name)? Also, what Alaran Capsules and Scepters belong in here, if any?
Personally, Arcbound Reclaimer doesn't seem to do enough to warrant inclusion in what is already a tight list...at least not when your general skips the top of the library and just takes artifacts directly into play. Scarecrone is great, however, and is an include for me.
Arcbound Crusher is really the only Arcbound creature I would consider, and then only if you're going to run the Sculpting Steel combo. Otherwise, he pales in comparison to better beaters, and this list doesn't really need too many straight beaters either.
After playing more multiplayer games, I have found scourglass to be lacking. So taking it out for Oblivion Stone. That only "during your upkeep" clause on scourglass is a greater con then not destroying artifacts pro.
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:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
O-Stone is possibly the best sweeper this deck can run. I would question pulling Scourglass, though...it's a great surprise to drop in via Master Transmuter, and the ability to recur repeatedly is worth a look if you're also running any sorcery sweepers. I'd run 'Glass over just about any non-artifact sweeper.
My friend runs Sharuum.
He got slaverlock going last night after a rather long game where I made a choice to Hallowed Burial 2 of the 3 generals, not including Sharuum. (Sphinx of the Steel Wind was on his board though)
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The best sweeper Sharuum can play is Austere Command naming artifacts with a Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice in play (sounds complicated, but my friend pulls it off all too frequently)
Cool, but alas mass LD. That gets the banhammer in my playgroup.
well, it's not technically mass LD...it's mass "everything but my stuff" destruction. I would totally argue the case for this combo to your group if I were you. I too am not a fan of mass LD in EDH, but the reason for my dislike is that most people don't play it correctly. That is, they just blow up everything without being able to win, and the end result is that it slows down the game, and nobody has fun. With this combo, it basically just says "I win" if you play it right.
well, it's not technically mass LD...it's mass "everything but my stuff" destruction. I would totally argue the case for this combo to your group if I were you. I too am not a fan of mass LD in EDH, but the reason for my dislike is that most people don't play it correctly. That is, they just blow up everything without being able to win, and the end result is that it slows down the game, and nobody has fun. With this combo, it basically just says "I win" if you play it right.
My problem with scouglass is I can't use right away.
Not if you Master Transmute it in. And anyone who thinks a sweeper that misses artifacts but can be tutored, transmuted, and recurred in this deck is sub-par should try it again.
I'm also a big fan of Austere Command. It really presents a fantastic spread of ability in one tight package. This is usually the one non-artifact sweeper I include in my list. However...
The best sweeper Sharuum can play is Austere Command naming artifacts with a Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice in play (sounds complicated, but my friend pulls it off all too frequently)
This is a wasted space. This deck doesn't need to waste a slot on Lattice. I realize it allows you to Command into a one-sided Obliterate, but I guarantee that if you've got Forge in play, O-Stoning or Disking is just as good.
The mass-LD thing, though...playing Titan is one thing, but if an interaction like this happens to pop up, is that really a no-no? Our group has banned Titan, but if I pulled something like this off, it would be applauded.
1x Sharuum the Hegemon (foil)
Creatures:14
1x Trinket Mage (foil)
1x Master Transmuter (foil)
1x Inkwell Leviathan (foil)
1x Sphinx Summoner (foil)
1x Magister Sphinx (foil)
1x Filigree Angel (foil)
1x Sphinx of the Steel Wind (foil)
1x Solumn Simulacrum (foil)
1x Duplicant (foil)
1x Triskelion (foil)
1x Memnarch (foil)
1x Platinum Angel (foil)
1x Darksteel Colossus (foil)
Spells:25
1x Condemn (foil)
1x Enlightened Tutor (foil)
1x Swords to Plowshares (foil)
1x Wrath of God (foil)
1x Austere Command (foil)
1x Final Judgment (foil)
1x Ancestral Vision (foil)
1x Mystical Tutor (foil)
1x Fabricate (foil)
1x Thirst for Knowledge (foil)
1x Stroke of Genius (foil)
1x Cryptic Command (foil)
1x Fact or Fiction (foil)
1x Opportunity (foil)
1x Time Spiral
1x Time Stretch (foil)
1x Vampiric Tutor (foil)
1x Demonic Tutor (foil)
1x Profane Command (foil)
1x Yawgmoth's Will (foil)
1x Damnation (foil)
1x Beacon of Unrest (foil)
1x Death Grasp (foil)
1x Mortify (foil)
1x Vindicate (foil)
1x Mind over Matter
1x The Abyss
Planeswalker:3
1x Jace Beleren (foil)
1x Tezzeret the Seeker (foil)
1x Liliana Vess (foil)
Artifacts:18
1x Mana Crypt
1x Dispeller's Capsule (foil)
1x Executioner's Capsule (foil)
1x Mana Vault
1x Sensei's Divining Top (foil)
1x Sol Ring (foil)
1x Voltaic Key
1x Courier's Capsule (foil)
1x Grim Monolith (foil)
1x Journeyer's Kite (foil)
1x Crucible of Worlds (foil)
1x Darksteel Ingot (foil)
1x Obelisk of Esper (foil)
1x Oblivion Stone (foil)
1x Gilded Lotus (foil)
1x Mindslaver (foil)
1x Planar Portal (foil)
1x Darksteel Forge (foil)
Land:38
3x Plains (3x foil)
3x Island (3x foil)
3x Swamp (3x foil)
1x Academy Ruins (foil)
1x Arcane Sanctum (foil)
1x Darksteel Citadel (foil)
1x Kor Haven (foil)
1x Minamo, School at Water's Edge (foil)
1x Miren, the Moaning Well (foil)
1x Prahv, Spires of Order (foil)
1x Strip Mine (foil)
1x Tolaria West (foil)
1x Tolarian Academy
1x Wasteland (foil)
1x Ancient Den (foil)
1x Seat of the Synod (foil)
1x Vault of Whispers (foil)
1x Flooded Strand (foil)
1x Marsh Flats (foil)
1x Polluted Delta (foil)
1x Fetid Heath (foil)
1x Mystic Gate (foil)
1x Sunken Ruins (foil)
1x Azorius Chancery (foil)
1x Dimir Aqueduct (foil)
1x Orzhov Basilica (foil)
1x Godless Shrine (foil)
1x Hallowed Fountain (foil)
1x Watery Grave (foil)
1x Scrubland
1x Tundra
1x Underground Sea
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
So any constructive advice is welcome.
Something I've been wondering as well. My group demanded erretaing Magister sphinx to 20 life. Has anyone else had their group come up with this problem.
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
Any reason why you would choose Filigree over Sphinx Sovereign?
IMO, Masticore > Triskelion, as I can't see Trike being a win condition over just plain removal.
No Pentavus?
The Abyss is interesting tech. Hanna's Custody seems weak, though; it's a 'Target Me" card in the same vein as Darksteel Forge, but it doesn't help you protect from sweepers. How is it working for you?
Needs more Transmute Artifact.
Cryptic Command seems like an odd inclusion to me, seeing that you're not running counters. You could get the other effects elsewhere at an easier cost...
Thoughts on Sundering Titan?
Just some high-level thoughts...
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The abyss is most awesome tech for any sharuum deck, It doesn't hit artifact creatures, so it only affects my opponents.
I don't own a mastecore, but i'm using trike more as a 4/4 and leaves does 3 damage.
I always run as many many commands as I can in EDH. I'm not running it simply because it can counter stuff, but more like my mortify and esper charm, it's versitile.
Oh and sundering titan got cut because a friend of mine was playing a domain deck, and our group doesn't play mass land removel and this guy cripples domain, I would play him and my friend just scoops. He's not being whiney, it just to crippling. Same reason no one in my group packs cards like shatterstorm. Cards that only cripple one specific player and don't effect the others are a no-no.
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
With Darksteel Forge in there, you might want to look at Nevinyrral's Disk. It becomes a reusable Soulscour. Oblivion Stone sacrifices, but Forge will still protect your stuff, so it's still rock solid. And both hit enchantments.
You should also have Engineered Explosives in there, since you can Trinket Mage it up.
On that front, Pithing Needle! Esperzoa keeps its' target fresh too.
The talismen and obelisk are weak in the face of Coalition Relic .
Courier's Capsule was always weak IMO. You should aim to add Memory Jar, which is simply amazing in this list.
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coalition relic and the disk i'm still looking for. and I agree that courier's capsule can be weak. but it's cheap and recurs. I know i run a few inferior cards to others, but i kind of like these trinket artifacts in the deck that sharuum can grab 5th turn.
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
1 Sharuum the Hegemon
Other Artifact Creatures (20)
1 Arsenal Thresher
1 Duplicant
1 Enigma Sphinx
1 Etherium Sculptor
1 Ethersworn Adjudicator
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Filigree Angel
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Magister Sphinx
1 Master of Etherium
1 Master Transmuter
1 Pentavus
1 Salvage Titan
1 Sanctum Gargoyle
1 Sen Triplets
1 Sharding Sphinx
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Sphinx Summoner
1 Triskelavus
1 Triskelion
Noncreature Nonland Artifacts (21)
1 Aether Vial
1 Armillary Sphere
1 Cloud Key
1 Courier's Capsule
1 Crystal Shard
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Dispeller's Capsule
1 Executioner's Capsule
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Helm of Kaldra
1 Icy Manipulator
1 Journeyer's Kite
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Mind's Eye
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Pearl Shard
1 Proteus Staff
1 Scourglass
1 Shield of Kaldra
1 Skeleton Shard
1 Sword of Kaldra
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Fabricate
1 Identity Crisis
1 Ponder
1 Roar of Reclamation
1 Soulscour
1 Tidings
Instants (5)
1 Esper Charm
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mortify
1 Resounding Wave
1 Thirst for Knowledge
Enchantments (5)
1 Debtors' Knell
1 Faith's Fetters
1 March of the Machines
1 Phyrexian Arena
1 Pillory of the Sleepless
Lands (40)
1 Ancient Den
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Eiganjo Castle
1 Esper Panorama
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Rupture Spire
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Shizo, Death's Storehouse
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Vault of Whispers
10 Plains
10 Island
10 Swamp
Any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated!
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
Good ideas! Btw, would any of the other Arcbound work here? Like Arcbound Crusher or the big one for 8 that gives +1/+1 counters to Modular stuff (forget the name)? Also, what Alaran Capsules and Scepters belong in here, if any?
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
Personally, Arcbound Reclaimer doesn't seem to do enough to warrant inclusion in what is already a tight list...at least not when your general skips the top of the library and just takes artifacts directly into play. Scarecrone is great, however, and is an include for me.
Arcbound Crusher is really the only Arcbound creature I would consider, and then only if you're going to run the Sculpting Steel combo. Otherwise, he pales in comparison to better beaters, and this list doesn't really need too many straight beaters either.
--->DJ
Now trying to add lightning greaves, but don't know what creature to remove?
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
--->DJ
He got slaverlock going last night after a rather long game where I made a choice to Hallowed Burial 2 of the 3 generals, not including Sharuum. (Sphinx of the Steel Wind was on his board though)
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Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
The best sweeper Sharuum can play is Austere Command naming artifacts with a Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice in play (sounds complicated, but my friend pulls it off all too frequently)
Current EDH Decks
:symb::symg::symw: Karador, Ghost Chieftain :symw::symg::symb:
:symg::symw::symu: Jenara, Asura of War :symu::symw::symg:
:symb::symr::symg: Kartthus, Tyrant of Jund :symg::symr::symb:
:symu::symb: Oona, Queen of the Fae :symb::symu:
:symr::symw: Brion Stoutarm :symw::symr:
No mass land destruction!!! That's like banning awesomeness!
well, it's not technically mass LD...it's mass "everything but my stuff" destruction. I would totally argue the case for this combo to your group if I were you. I too am not a fan of mass LD in EDH, but the reason for my dislike is that most people don't play it correctly. That is, they just blow up everything without being able to win, and the end result is that it slows down the game, and nobody has fun. With this combo, it basically just says "I win" if you play it right.
Not if they bounce your Darksteel Forge in response.
Not if you Master Transmute it in. And anyone who thinks a sweeper that misses artifacts but can be tutored, transmuted, and recurred in this deck is sub-par should try it again.
I'm also a big fan of Austere Command. It really presents a fantastic spread of ability in one tight package. This is usually the one non-artifact sweeper I include in my list. However...
This is a wasted space. This deck doesn't need to waste a slot on Lattice. I realize it allows you to Command into a one-sided Obliterate, but I guarantee that if you've got Forge in play, O-Stoning or Disking is just as good.
The mass-LD thing, though...playing Titan is one thing, but if an interaction like this happens to pop up, is that really a no-no? Our group has banned Titan, but if I pulled something like this off, it would be applauded.
--->DJ
Ok, I'll Counterspell your bounce spell..............
Of course there are ways to disrupt the combo. There are answers to any situation. That's what magic is all about.