Pretty new to posting, so maybe I'm stating well known info, but by the spoiled cards we have so far I'm thinking there will be a cycle of three to four cards of each multicolor "guild" in Theros.
No multicolored commons have been revealed yet so that makes me think they'll only be Uncommon, Rare, and Mythic, though they spoil few commons during spoiler week anyway. If this is the case then Theros is set to have A LOT of mythics in it so I don't know, not to mention it will mean multicolor will take up at least thirty (forty if there are commons) card slots which feels like it'll be more than "a little Multicolor" but then again we are coming out of RtR.
There can be some arguments made here, such as if PWs count and if the legendary's are meant to be balanced or not. Part of me thinks this is the case, but another part of me hopes this isn't because I'd like to see more RG and UW cards but we'll see.
Pretty sure the Fates will be WB, and if that's the case each card could be its own Fate, which would be sweet. I'll update as the spoilers do so more speculations can be made.
First off you may want to fix your "RW" thingy, which should be RB. Those cards certainly aren't white.
But I suspect that there won't be a cycle of enemy-color cards at all rarities. I mean, if we look at what we've gotten it has been 1 rare of each of the enemy color combinations and that is all. Whereas in many of the ally color combinations we have gotten one uncommon, a rare, and a mythic. Only two combinations of those aren't filled yet, but I'm sure that's to come. The enemy color combinations...probably not, but you never know. I suspect those combinations will be forthcoming in the future sets of the block.
EDIT: Apparently you just fixed the RW thing as I was posting this.
Yeah, noticed it right after, skimmed by it in proof-reading.
That is a possibility that I hadn't thought of, but that also raises the question of them making three of the scry lands enemy colors if they had no intention of putting more than one or two gold cards of those colors in. Though they could have just been giving Gatecrash a little more love.
@Cuber, Yeah, that would make more sense then them putting twenty mythics in the set. I'll keep the lists up until we know for sure and will change update as well.
Yeah, generally larger sets only get 15 mythics (unless there's a special one in addition, like Garruk of Innistrad) and 10 for smaller ones (like the Blade from DA or Maze's End from Dragon's Maze).
I suspect that the ally color scry lands will show up in the later sets, but it is also a possibility that they won't as it would be awkward to split them up amongst two sets unless they wanted to put it just in one.
EDIT: Yeah, they're not by ally and enemy color. Just realized that. Guess it would be awkward not to include the others now.
Also, with this disbursement of multicolor love it seems unlikely that we will then have a green/white walker if they plan on doing enemy-color mythics. However, that does leave room for Kiora Atua or some other such combination. Then again, that's all so far away. They could always just ignore the enemy colors and not give them mythics in the block.
My guess is:
5 allies colored mythics.
10 rares of all color combinations.
10 uncommons of all color combination.
Not throwing equal fish to all color combination is something they will surely regret at this point. After two ravnica blocks, the whole ally/enemy structure is shaken because the enemy colored combos got new fans and they will demand equal treatment. They should really wait RTR block to disappear in order to discriminate ally and enemy color pairs again.
I was hoping they'd have a rare legendary creature for each color pair. That gorgon on the throne of stone bodies was BEGGING to be legendary, but I'm starting to think we won't see her as a Golgari legend. Anyhow, it would be neat to see that happen so I hope they spread it out across the block at least.
I guess we'll either be seeing 20 mythics or 15 with no alignment to multicolored. Though they could be saving a GW mythic for Ajani and decided to give Theros a BW mythic instead. Though if this is the case it'll sadden me, I'm not overly impressed with Ashen Rider (at least not at eight mana).
I guess we'll either be seeing 20 mythics or 15 with no alignment to multicolored. Though they could be saving a GW mythic for Ajani and decided to give Theros a BW mythic instead. Though if this is the case it'll sadden me, I'm not overly impressed with Ashen Rider (at least not at eight mana).
It's pretty clearly a EDH card. They didn't push it (like make it 6 mana and give it lifelink) so it's price tag stay low, something in the interest of non-grinder players.
Well it could be that they finish those two cycles, with others being finished throughout the other sets.
That's my idea now too. It seems that everyone believes Ajani will be GW, if that's the case then they'll need that slot open in BotG. So they're mixing enemy/ally colors to make sure that is possible.
@italofoca I'm not saying I hate it and I'll definitely play it...was just really hoping for a three card BW Fate cycle. Would have been awesome to see Bogbrew Witch-like action.
At least when it comes to Mythics the answer is pretty easy maoth, all told we should end up with 40 (15-15-10, or 15-10-15 is Born into Gods is the Small set)
They might decide to double up on Gold Mythics in the other large set so we can have the Mythics split like so:
- 15 Gods, covering each Mono and Dual Color combination. (5-5-5)
- 15 Monocolor Mythics that aren't Gods (5-5-5)
- 10 Gold Mythics that aren't Gods (5-5-0)
It's been confirmed we'll see more Gods in the other two sets, and that the lesser Gods are two color combinations. This feels like the most likely end point. The only question now is if we'll get more than five Walkers this block.
At least when it comes to Mythics the answer is pretty easy maoth, all told we should end up with 40 (15-15-10, or 15-10-15 is Born into Gods is the Small set)
Both Born of the Gods AND Journey into Nyx are small sets, so its 15-10-10, with 3-1-1 planeswalkers.
It's been confirmed we'll see more Gods in the other two sets, and that the lesser Gods are two color combinations. This feels like the most likely end point. The only question now is if we'll get more than five Walkers this block.
They've already said there will only be five 'walkers in the block.
What concerns me is how they will fit 10 more gods, 5 more gold cards, and at least 10 non-cycle mythics into BotG and JiN. Unless they forfeit the non-cycles but that seems too deep for WotC.
Both Born of the Gods AND Journey into Nyx are small sets, so its 15-10-10, with 3-1-1 planeswalkers.
Oh, both are small sets? Then it's possible not every Dual color God will be Mythic. MaRo responded to a question of "Will the Lesser Gods be Mythic or Rare" with "Yes" but I had initially assumed a LLS model (meaning he was screwing with us and all would be Mythic), if it's an LSS model (then it's more likely some of the lesser Gods will be Rare).
I can see them putting Gods sharing colors with Dual Planeswalkers at Rare (So if we get a GW Ajani the GW God will be Rare, along with RG and UB Gods).
Hmm... Not enough info to form a theory until next set.
I can see them putting Gods sharing colors with Dual Planeswalkers at Rare (So if we get a GW Ajani the GW God will be Rare, along with RG and UB Gods).
Which lets me think all of the lesser gods will be Rare. Remember Dragon' Maze, they put all the maze runners at rare because Melek + Ral Zarek at mythic was impossible, so the other runners had to suffer, resulting in the Emmara-VoR swap (thanks Ral/Melek/Niv -_-).
Then again, this is a top-down block. Maybe the gods have a hierarchy with 5 mains gods, 5 lesser gods and then some gods below those.
Which lets me think all of the lesser gods will be Rare. Remember Dragon' Maze, they put all the maze runners at rare because Melek + Ral Zarek at mythic was impossible, so the other runners had to suffer, resulting in the Emmara-VoR swap (thanks Ral/Melek/Niv -_-).
Possible, or they could half and half them so the Ally are Rare, and the Enemy are Mythic (or any other combination). The main issue there was Ravnica is a block about Color Parity, this one isn't as driven by it. Since the dual color is so secondary (as it's not Ravnica).
It might look better if all the lesser gods are Rare, but I can't see the lesser Gods at Rare with Indestructible and an easy Devotion trigger? Either they will lose indestructible (and be very easy to take out due to being Enchant+Creature) or they will be hard to put online (due to be dual color and requiring more all stated devotion to make fuction). And whichever way they go about it they probably won't exceed 4/4 as stats (because lesser Gods).
Possible, or they could half and half them so the Ally are Rare, and the Enemy are Mythic (or any other combination). The main issue there was Ravnica is a block about Color Parity, this one isn't as driven by it. Since the dual color is so secondary (as it's not Ravnica).
It might look better if all the lesser gods are Rare, but I can't see the lesser Gods at Rare with Indestructible and an easy Devotion trigger? Either they will lose indestructible (and be very easy to take out due to being Enchant+Creature) or they will be hard to put online (due to be dual color and requiring more all stated devotion to make fuction). And whichever way they go about it they probably won't exceed 4/4 as stats (because lesser Gods).
Yeah but Theros are still meant to be played with RTR. The easiest way WotC for having a raging mob in their quarters is denying color parity in a season people are psyched about their simic and orhzov decks.
I don't even know if they will keep this whole ally/enemy things but if they do, they should rly wait ravnica leave standard.
Everybody realizes that the 5 pairs they chose for theros dual lands are the gatecrash colors, right? They did this to balance the time in RTR standard where the gatecrash pairs had worse fixing.
The mythics 2-color cards, however, are not split by a clear delineation. I do assume that pattern completion will lead them to finish the mythic color "cycle."
AS for uncommons, I expect every guild to get at least one. Some might get more, as the demands of the standard environment dictates what colors get what more than even distribution does.
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To save space. Whenever multicolored cards are made, WoTC is put in a lot of preasure to "complete" the loose cycle of enemy/allied color pairs so that its more fair for fans of those colors. If they are only obligated to do 5 instead of 10, they can be a little more flexibile in the cards avialable.
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No multicolored commons have been revealed yet so that makes me think they'll only be Uncommon, Rare, and Mythic, though they spoil few commons during spoiler week anyway. If this is the case then Theros is set to have A LOT of mythics in it so I don't know, not to mention it will mean multicolor will take up at least thirty (forty if there are commons) card slots which feels like it'll be more than "a little Multicolor" but then again we are coming out of RtR.
Currently Spoiled "Cycles":
RB - Kragma Warcaller (U), Tymaret (R), Underworld Cerbeus (M)
UW - Battlewise Hoplite (U), Daxos of Meletis (R), Medomai (M)
RG - Destructive Revelry (U), Polis Crusher (R), Xenagos (M)
Incomplete "Cycles":
GB - ???? (U), Reaper of the Wild (R), ???? (M)
RW - ???? (U), Anax and Cymede (R), ???? (M)
GW - ???? (U), Fleecemane Lion (R), ???? (M)
UG - ???? (U), Prophet of Kruphix (R), ???? (M)
UB - ???? (U), Psychic Intrusion (R), Ashiok (M)
RU - ???? (U), Steam Augury (R), ???? (M)
WB - ???? (U), ???? (R), Ashen Rider (M)
There can be some arguments made here, such as if PWs count and if the legendary's are meant to be balanced or not. Part of me thinks this is the case, but another part of me hopes this isn't because I'd like to see more RG and UW cards but we'll see.
Pretty sure the Fates will be WB, and if that's the case each card could be its own Fate, which would be sweet. I'll update as the spoilers do so more speculations can be made.
Post your thoughts.
But I suspect that there won't be a cycle of enemy-color cards at all rarities. I mean, if we look at what we've gotten it has been 1 rare of each of the enemy color combinations and that is all. Whereas in many of the ally color combinations we have gotten one uncommon, a rare, and a mythic. Only two combinations of those aren't filled yet, but I'm sure that's to come. The enemy color combinations...probably not, but you never know. I suspect those combinations will be forthcoming in the future sets of the block.
EDIT: Apparently you just fixed the RW thing as I was posting this.
The mythics are:
5 Gods
5 Mono-colored others
5 Allied-colored Golds
Enemy-colored is likely only at Rare, for now, but there will be more in the later sets of the block.
That is a possibility that I hadn't thought of, but that also raises the question of them making three of the scry lands enemy colors if they had no intention of putting more than one or two gold cards of those colors in. Though they could have just been giving Gatecrash a little more love.
@Cuber, Yeah, that would make more sense then them putting twenty mythics in the set. I'll keep the lists up until we know for sure and will change update as well.
I suspect that the ally color scry lands will show up in the later sets, but it is also a possibility that they won't as it would be awkward to split them up amongst two sets unless they wanted to put it just in one.
EDIT: Yeah, they're not by ally and enemy color. Just realized that. Guess it would be awkward not to include the others now.
Also, with this disbursement of multicolor love it seems unlikely that we will then have a green/white walker if they plan on doing enemy-color mythics. However, that does leave room for Kiora Atua or some other such combination. Then again, that's all so far away. They could always just ignore the enemy colors and not give them mythics in the block.
Azorius Mythic (presuming it to be Medmoai)
Selesnya Mythic
Dimir Rare
Orzhov Rare
Izzet Rare
Boros Uncommon
Dimir Uncommon
Golgari Uncommon
Izzet Uncommon
Orzhov Uncommon
Selesnya Uncommon
Simic Uncommon
5 allies colored mythics.
10 rares of all color combinations.
10 uncommons of all color combination.
Not throwing equal fish to all color combination is something they will surely regret at this point. After two ravnica blocks, the whole ally/enemy structure is shaken because the enemy colored combos got new fans and they will demand equal treatment. They should really wait RTR block to disappear in order to discriminate ally and enemy color pairs again.
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At this point i think the whole block will have 10 mythics of each dual color.
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It's pretty clearly a EDH card. They didn't push it (like make it 6 mana and give it lifelink) so it's price tag stay low, something in the interest of non-grinder players.
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Well it could be that they finish those two cycles, with others being finished throughout the other sets.
That's my idea now too. It seems that everyone believes Ajani will be GW, if that's the case then they'll need that slot open in BotG. So they're mixing enemy/ally colors to make sure that is possible.
@italofoca I'm not saying I hate it and I'll definitely play it...was just really hoping for a three card BW Fate cycle. Would have been awesome to see Bogbrew Witch-like action.
They might decide to double up on Gold Mythics in the other large set so we can have the Mythics split like so:
- 15 Gods, covering each Mono and Dual Color combination. (5-5-5)
- 15 Monocolor Mythics that aren't Gods (5-5-5)
- 10 Gold Mythics that aren't Gods (5-5-0)
It's been confirmed we'll see more Gods in the other two sets, and that the lesser Gods are two color combinations. This feels like the most likely end point. The only question now is if we'll get more than five Walkers this block.
Both Born of the Gods AND Journey into Nyx are small sets, so its 15-10-10, with 3-1-1 planeswalkers.
They've already said there will only be five 'walkers in the block.
What concerns me is how they will fit 10 more gods, 5 more gold cards, and at least 10 non-cycle mythics into BotG and JiN. Unless they forfeit the non-cycles but that seems too deep for WotC.
Oh, both are small sets? Then it's possible not every Dual color God will be Mythic. MaRo responded to a question of "Will the Lesser Gods be Mythic or Rare" with "Yes" but I had initially assumed a LLS model (meaning he was screwing with us and all would be Mythic), if it's an LSS model (then it's more likely some of the lesser Gods will be Rare).
I can see them putting Gods sharing colors with Dual Planeswalkers at Rare (So if we get a GW Ajani the GW God will be Rare, along with RG and UB Gods).
Hmm... Not enough info to form a theory until next set.
Which lets me think all of the lesser gods will be Rare. Remember Dragon' Maze, they put all the maze runners at rare because Melek + Ral Zarek at mythic was impossible, so the other runners had to suffer, resulting in the Emmara-VoR swap (thanks Ral/Melek/Niv -_-).
Then again, this is a top-down block. Maybe the gods have a hierarchy with 5 mains gods, 5 lesser gods and then some gods below those.
Possible, or they could half and half them so the Ally are Rare, and the Enemy are Mythic (or any other combination). The main issue there was Ravnica is a block about Color Parity, this one isn't as driven by it. Since the dual color is so secondary (as it's not Ravnica).
It might look better if all the lesser gods are Rare, but I can't see the lesser Gods at Rare with Indestructible and an easy Devotion trigger? Either they will lose indestructible (and be very easy to take out due to being Enchant+Creature) or they will be hard to put online (due to be dual color and requiring more all stated devotion to make fuction). And whichever way they go about it they probably won't exceed 4/4 as stats (because lesser Gods).
Yeah but Theros are still meant to be played with RTR. The easiest way WotC for having a raging mob in their quarters is denying color parity in a season people are psyched about their simic and orhzov decks.
I don't even know if they will keep this whole ally/enemy things but if they do, they should rly wait ravnica leave standard.
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Standard - For Fun
BG Auras
The mythics 2-color cards, however, are not split by a clear delineation. I do assume that pattern completion will lead them to finish the mythic color "cycle."
AS for uncommons, I expect every guild to get at least one. Some might get more, as the demands of the standard environment dictates what colors get what more than even distribution does.
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To save space. Whenever multicolored cards are made, WoTC is put in a lot of preasure to "complete" the loose cycle of enemy/allied color pairs so that its more fair for fans of those colors. If they are only obligated to do 5 instead of 10, they can be a little more flexibile in the cards avialable.