since you dont wanna run banned ones (what you mean banned ? banned in legacy ?) what is your budget ?
banned in anything, as it is i spend more money on cards than my friends and none of them order individual cards online, so i have a huge advantage already.
banned cards welcome or not is a personal choice, not a debate.
i choose no banned cards for this deck
can i get a response to my proposed deck? i'd like some feedback before i go blow the money to order the cards since i only own the cheap half of that deck lol.
To reiterate, i'm going for an aggro killer discard deck. Which seems to have led to me a discard with direct life damage as the win condition. That is why cards like nezumi shortfang don't really fit...
Artscrafter, i came to that same conclusion an hour before reading your post. The deck obviously needs to do direct life damage as a win condition. My discards are all in the beginning and then discarding becomes a very ineffective strategy.
I ran a draw bot and it seems extremely solid as far as having enough mana, not causing too much discard, and getting out creatures/removals to avoid life loss. but will it win...?
I got so excited at making a deadly deck i started to forget the value and fun of my theme, so although vampire nighthawk is great, i must use nyxathid instead.
corrupt is expensive and although one would be fun it doesn't fit.
demon's horn i keep simply because i can get it out early and it stays the whole game it may not be a win condition but it's always helpful.
drain life, YES, but a cheaper and identical card to buy is Consume Spirit
hymn to tourach, yes. I'm worried about the change in mana curve using it to replace cry of contrition but we shall see.
Augur of Skulls yes, this is actually a huge help for the aggro defense because now my 1/1 rats are no longer fodder and can actually be played mid to late game!
any last comments or suggestions before i order the new cards?
PS. i'm thinking a few Strip Mines may be appropriate to the deck...
If you want to play Liliana so badly , you should take Dark Ritual too because if you don't at five mana when Liliana hit the fields there will be nothing left to discard ...
damn you for being right
ok what about nyxathid?
Also what could i replace Elixir of Immortality with? I own four Elixir of Vitality but they don't impress me... Elixir of Immortality is more so my desparation card to defend against agro decks, and also because it's just fun, lol.
You have me convinced, Demon's Horn isn't worthless but only one drain life or corrupt would have the same or better effect as two demon's horn on first and second hands. Hymn of Tourach i have been resisting simply because Cry of Contrition has Haunt so you can get a second card but 80% of the time that's not activated so i concede that point as well.
I really don't like Howling Mine in decks that are not built to support it. The only reason is that it generally reads 2: Your Opponents Draw Two Cards then Blow this Up before you get to do anything with it.
I have to agree on howling mine, it needs to be the main strategy in order to be useful. I don't think it would be a good supporting card, though i haven't used it myself.
Not sold on Scepter of Fugue but yes on Augur of Skulls, Ravenous rats is meant to be fodder to block those creatures that I otherwise couldn't block until i can remove them and having the regenerate ability would make the fodder card much more valuable mid - late game.
!!!! no one has mentioned Liliana Vess or Nyxathid, I really really want liliana in this deck maybe two!
The idea here is that since discard decks can't defend well, I add to the annoyance/fun of my deck by boosting life with Elixir of Immortality and Demon's Horn that way i can still stick to a strick discard theme without using supporting non-discard cards.
All suggestions are welcome, but please keep in mind my strategy!
PS. i don't want to use global cards that hurt myself such as pox, small pox etc, i may do that in future as a second deck but not for this one.
banned in anything, as it is i spend more money on cards than my friends and none of them order individual cards online, so i have a huge advantage already.
keeping within that rule, no budget
i choose no banned cards for this deck
can i get a response to my proposed deck? i'd like some feedback before i go blow the money to order the cards since i only own the cheap half of that deck lol.
To reiterate, i'm going for an aggro killer discard deck. Which seems to have led to me a discard with direct life damage as the win condition. That is why cards like nezumi shortfang don't really fit...
So what about this?
20 Swamp
3 Strip Mine
Creatures:
4 Augur of Skulls
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Nyxathid
2 Quest for the Nihil Stone
4 The Rack
3 Liliana's Caress
Removal:
2 Doom Blade
2 Soul Reap
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Blackmail
4 Cry of Contrition
Mana Curve:
0-
1-##############
2-###############
3-########
4-
(don't want to run banned cards)
loving painful quandary but it ruins the mana curve
I ran a draw bot and it seems extremely solid as far as having enough mana, not causing too much discard, and getting out creatures/removals to avoid life loss. but will it win...?
22 Swamp
Creatures:
4 Abyssal Nocturnus
4 Augur of Skulls
4 Hypnotic Specter
3 Nyxathid
4 Demon's Horn
2 Consume Spirit
3 Megrim
Removal:
2 Doom Blade
2 Soul Reap
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Blackmail
I got so excited at making a deadly deck i started to forget the value and fun of my theme, so although vampire nighthawk is great, i must use nyxathid instead.
corrupt is expensive and although one would be fun it doesn't fit.
demon's horn i keep simply because i can get it out early and it stays the whole game it may not be a win condition but it's always helpful.
drain life, YES, but a cheaper and identical card to buy is Consume Spirit
hymn to tourach, yes. I'm worried about the change in mana curve using it to replace cry of contrition but we shall see.
Augur of Skulls yes, this is actually a huge help for the aggro defense because now my 1/1 rats are no longer fodder and can actually be played mid to late game!
any last comments or suggestions before i order the new cards?
PS. i'm thinking a few Strip Mines may be appropriate to the deck...
damn you for being right
ok what about nyxathid?
Also what could i replace Elixir of Immortality with? I own four Elixir of Vitality but they don't impress me... Elixir of Immortality is more so my desparation card to defend against agro decks, and also because it's just fun, lol.
You have me convinced, Demon's Horn isn't worthless but only one drain life or corrupt would have the same or better effect as two demon's horn on first and second hands. Hymn of Tourach i have been resisting simply because Cry of Contrition has Haunt so you can get a second card but 80% of the time that's not activated so i concede that point as well.
I have to agree on howling mine, it needs to be the main strategy in order to be useful. I don't think it would be a good supporting card, though i haven't used it myself.
Not sold on Scepter of Fugue but yes on Augur of Skulls, Ravenous rats is meant to be fodder to block those creatures that I otherwise couldn't block until i can remove them and having the regenerate ability would make the fodder card much more valuable mid - late game.
!!!! no one has mentioned Liliana Vess or Nyxathid, I really really want liliana in this deck maybe two!
22 Swamp
Creatures:
4 Abyssal Nocturnus
4 Ravenous Rats
4 Hollow Specter
1 Bloodhusk Ritualist
3 Elixir of Immortality
4 Demon's Horn
Removal:
2 Doom Blade
2 Soul Reap
4 Cry of Contrition
4 Blackmail
Direct Damage:
4 Megrim
Defense:
2 Strands of Undeath
Changes?:
-I want to incorporate one maybe two Liliana Vess but i'm not sure it would be effective? anyone try this?
-Stronger against agro decks.
-Incorporate The Rack maybe in place of Megrim?
-trade Nyxanthid for ?
-upgrade Megrim to Lialiana's Caress and Hollow Specter to Hypnotic Specter, i'm not sure if it's worth the $..
The idea here is that since discard decks can't defend well, I add to the annoyance/fun of my deck by boosting life with Elixir of Immortality and Demon's Horn that way i can still stick to a strick discard theme without using supporting non-discard cards.
All suggestions are welcome, but please keep in mind my strategy!
PS. i don't want to use global cards that hurt myself such as pox, small pox etc, i may do that in future as a second deck but not for this one.