i think ancestral vision is a strong card in the deck because it makes your opponent want to put pressure on you under the assumption that answers are coming
i honestly don't think that the meta makes much difference i think nether void just requires more tinkering within your own deck. as a fore mentioned though, i am a big fan of tabernacle in the deck, entomb allows you search it up and put it into play off a LftL or crucible but that is also very reliant on the build of your deck. so i really would want to say you should think less about meta for the one card but rather which card best accentuates your deck.
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
I think this very depended from the pox build. While I am in the land destruction department of pox, its the decks that can win with zero or one land: reanimator, show n sneak, ANT, dredge and (r)affinity which doubles as it swarms hard.
Based on Rhaderis suggestion previously I run a 3/3 split between Extirpate and Extraction in my SB now and am very happy. I love the versitality (as they do not only address graveyard based decks) and the amount of gy-hate.
Very good overview Mat!
free of cost is nice but even tapping out isnt always assurance enough (FoW). for that reason i really enjoy extirpate. i feel that 6 is really heavy but to each his own
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
Aren't you way better off using iok or duress first turn? Way more reliable to screw combo than hymn + allowing you to kill a counter for a second turn hymn. Allows for cabal therapy second or third turn as well.
i disagree with ANT, if you are fortunate enough to grab an infernal tutor than, yes. usually they are keeping a one land hand though packed with multiple draw and multiple mana acceleration in which case the hymn is really nice. you have the chance to hit the land as well as one draw or accelerator. also in my build i just have iok which doesn't hit ill-gotten-gains if that is being ran
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
my only problem with parting with dark rituals is i run into a lot of combo decks (particularly ANT) and enjoy being able to hymn first turn. i could replace them with mox diamond especially in a build like mine but even so, that doesn't really create more room
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
i was internally debating liliana and dark ritual. i think it's going to be a dark ritual though since the both of you thought that as well. as for bojuka bog, i do run it SB but have considered shifting it MD. My build is very tight, although it does work very well in my build. i may drop a liliana and a dark ritual for a LftL and a bojuka bog though
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
anyone have any suggestions on what one card to cut for LftL though? i'm very familiar with pox decks (my first one being 10 years ago) but i just can't pick one card to cut and refuse to run 61 cards
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
Crucible of Worlds is usually played with Loam isn't it? I don't know anything about Loam decks, just trying to educate myself. haha Maybe I'm thinking of another deck/combination of cards. Hmm.
life from the loam just acts very similar to crucible of worlds 1G and allows you to put up to 3 lands from you graveyard to your hand w/ a dredge cost of 3. life from the loam is ALMOST always better, the only time i would run crucible over it is if it was an artifact based deck or if you can't afford to add green.
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
i've always liked loam better. i get to dredge the pharaoh back over and it can't be destroyed(obviously) and countering it doesn't make much difference. also, entomb acts as a tutor for it
I'm running pharaoh. It has its downsides, but I feel the upsides outweigh them. He plays along with nether spirit just fine, only rarely do these get serious conflicts. He's tutor-able (at instant speed) removal and a late game win condition.
His purpose is obviously not to kill an attacker every turn. This is a losing strategy, as he locks you out yourself and you still take the damage. His use is to eliminate a creature (or two) that got through your disruption, allowing you to stabilize. If you're under a mass-attack, you use necroplasm (or ratchet bomb or deed in the splash). If that doesn't help, you're dead.
Without entomb, his functionality is much decreased. He should never be run more than as a one-off - but in that spot, he's just fine.
How many bayou?
I wouldn't lower the loam count to 1. You want some back-up for md grave disruption like the omnipresent scavenging ooze.
you are right, i wasn't thinking of the ooze. i have my latest changes to my deck posted, i haven't play tested the changes and neglected to think about ooze. my newest list will need some tinkering but is pretty tight
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my favorite win ever was using icequake in a POX deck and actually killing someone with a snow-covered-plains
I agree on the card pox. I don't agree on creatures, though I do dislike tombstalker in the deck. Nether spirit and bloodghast serve some purpose as blocker (spirit) and attacker. If you're running tabernacle and a green splash, I see little reason not to run some bloodghasts. Pharaoh and necroplasm are removal that can be tutored at the right time. All have the same benefit of not being affected much by your sacrifice effects and endlessly coming back for more punch. Pharaoh is probably the most disputable one, as his recurability is not under your own control, comes at a cost for your next draw and makes you lose life. But the surprise effect after an entomb is nice.
I'm not sure on scroll. I don't own any and have only limited testing with it.
i actually really like the idea for pharaoh, i could run entomb and cut down to 1 life from the loam MD the green is still worth keeping around because i run deed SB plus i was only running green off bayou anyway
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Exactly. Sure you have a ton of ways to dump them, but that's all they are at that point, filler. 4 Pox and 4 Lili is just not needed. Lili does a much better job, so if you have a choice between the two, should almost always be Lili. And now with Lili taking over the Pox duty, you can take those 4 Pox which are now dead, and replace them with something relevant for your meta like more removal or discard.
i couldn't agree more Lili is awesome because prior to her printing i was actually playing around with the abyss in place of pox and lili is a significant upgrade to that
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free of cost is nice but even tapping out isnt always assurance enough (FoW). for that reason i really enjoy extirpate. i feel that 6 is really heavy but to each his own
i disagree with ANT, if you are fortunate enough to grab an infernal tutor than, yes. usually they are keeping a one land hand though packed with multiple draw and multiple mana acceleration in which case the hymn is really nice. you have the chance to hit the land as well as one draw or accelerator. also in my build i just have iok which doesn't hit ill-gotten-gains if that is being ran
life from the loam just acts very similar to crucible of worlds 1G and allows you to put up to 3 lands from you graveyard to your hand w/ a dredge cost of 3. life from the loam is ALMOST always better, the only time i would run crucible over it is if it was an artifact based deck or if you can't afford to add green.
i've always liked loam better. i get to dredge the pharaoh back over and it can't be destroyed(obviously) and countering it doesn't make much difference. also, entomb acts as a tutor for it
can anyone help with this list? i realize i will need one more life from the loam but space is really dificult
you are right, i wasn't thinking of the ooze. i have my latest changes to my deck posted, i haven't play tested the changes and neglected to think about ooze. my newest list will need some tinkering but is pretty tight
4x inquisition of kozilek
2x cursed scroll
4x liliana of the veil
3x sinkhole
1x bloodghast
1x vengeful pharaoh
1x life from the loam
4x entomb
1x darkblast
4x hymn to tourach
3x innocent blood
4x dark ritual
1x maze of ith
4x urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
4x bloodstained mire
4x swamp
3x bayou
1x the tabernacle at pendrell vale
3x mishra's factory
4x wasteland
and my SB consist of krosan grip, pithing needle, nihil spellbomb, mindbreak trap, and pernicious deed
MD i've been going back and forth between the split on bayou and urborg, tomb of yawgmoth. any other suggestions are appreciated though
i actually really like the idea for pharaoh, i could run entomb and cut down to 1 life from the loam MD the green is still worth keeping around because i run deed SB plus i was only running green off bayou anyway
i couldn't agree more Lili is awesome because prior to her printing i was actually playing around with the abyss in place of pox and lili is a significant upgrade to that