Honestly? No. We're more likely to see Jeskai Ascendency banned in older formats if decks like Sam Black's list suddenly become dominant. In Standard? No... as much as we all want this to be a great deck, it's really too easy to disrupt. The more popular it becomes, the more people will be able to hate it out. We'll see tonight's FNM reports and this weekend's SCG results to see if anyone can make it work though.
So then the question is what to do transform to? Goblin Rabblemaster style agro (they get rid of their removal post SB)? Sarkhan/Elspeth style control (They won't expect the long game)? Jeskai Burn (They may bring in fast threats)? Narset (free Dig Through Time)?
It seems unlikely that your opponent would side out spot removal against a deck that absolutely requires crappy mana dorks to win the game. Big threats powered out early like Elspeth or Narset could be pretty effective though.
Great point. I agree though, it would be awesome to power out something disgusting.
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You have 4 fetchlands but only 2 fetchable sources?[/quote]
Yup, There is no reason to have any more. They are basically there to make sure you have a green source turn 1-3, then turn 4 you're usually going off and any other fetches you draw will be dumped into the gy. The plains honestly should be another forest, because I've never once needed to fetch for a W source.
So then the question is what to do transform to? Goblin Rabblemaster style agro (they get rid of their removal post SB)? Sarkhan/Elspeth style control (They won't expect the long game)? Jeskai Burn (They may bring in fast threats)? Narset (free Dig Through Time)?
[quote from="pandafarmer »" url="http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/standard-new-card-discussion/572039-jeskai-ascendancy-storm?comment=166"]I've added back the Astral/Helix combo and now consistently hit 4th turn combo. Before I would often fizzle or have to wait till turn 5-6. Pretty happy with this deck, but now worried about sideboarding in prep for real life play!
It's goldfishing VERY well, but not sure how it will fair in a "live" environment. Also considering having a transformational sideboard of sorts... abusing tokens/convoke spells or something. Seems like once people know the game plan, it'll be sort of easy for them to disrupt. We're going to be living in a land of good stuff decks again, and with that comes counterspells and disruption in every deck regardless of color.
I've added back the Astral/Helix combo and now consistently hit 4th turn combo. Before I would often fizzle or have to wait till turn 5-6. Pretty happy with this deck, but now worried about sideboarding in prep for real life play!
I guess that's the thing.. why would I want to draw my deck and copy my 8-12 dorks twice when I could cast Burning Anger and shoot them as many times as I need?
Pit fight is a great inclusion and let's you not have to tap your creature to fight. Not sure I'd include the Plate Mail. You're almost always going to have a creature on the field, making him not very useful outside of a fat equip. IN that case might as well use Aspect of Hydra since it's less mana intensive. Only other thing I'd mention is that Chord of Calling is really fun, since you can instant speed drop in a Reckoner or Hornet Nest as a blocker to cause some stress. Might want at least 1 more Queen too, and Carytids are a must in any green deck, allowing for things in the sideboard no one expects (and smooth out mana for your Reckoners).
I don't know guys this doesn't seem legit. These cards are from m14 and rtr respectively, why would we be getting them as promos now? They don't even have the new frame. I think someone is trolling us.
The funniest part is that he said they made a "mistake" of bringing the duel deck and opening it. They would know exactly what they were doing...
EDIT:
If you look at the Chandra's fury image, the copy right is for 2013. Stealer of secrets is 2014, but I still doubt the legitimacy of these promos.
Sorry, going to have to debunk you. Many times they overprint promotional material that they use for these conventions, and these are likely leftovers from previous years. This is a new convention for WOTC, and they likely wanted to bring as much as they could for the fans, and getting rid of a couple of cases of extra old promos that are sitting in the back room is a pretty logical and common thing to see.
Don't be paranoid about the sets or the dates or the card frame, because honestly this is likely all that this is... getting rid of extra crap in the back room from old cons.
MaRo sai the thing they are bringing back hash;t been done in a long time. fetches are too recent (unless they reprint onslaught ones).
my money is on snow lands, tho Orcs would be awesome
People like to read into what MaRo says often. It's also important to note that "in a long time" isn't very long in the scope of Magic. A huge chunk of players didn't start playing the game till ISD/RTR era and are in their early 20's to late teens... so to them anything older than ISD is "a long time."
Pretty let down by this set, and that hasn't happened in years for me. I enjoyed THS enough, and certainly I enjoy some of the cards we see here for my personal decks and cube, but the only major positive I see from this set is the overwhelming power in Uncommons. This however means I will be skipping prerelease and spending that $25 to buy playsets of what I need, and then wait for the tanking value of stuff like Kiora to pick up the rest.
It's nice that we won't have to fork over millions to get the chase cards, but it won't be good for local shops and WOTC. Here's hoping it pulls a Dark Ascension and pulls out it's greatness later in life.
Wow, I'm really not looking forward to the day I'm trading on mtgsalvation and someone say's to me "how do I know all of your cards are... real?"
As long as there is a minimal possibility that a card a person bought is fake, they will post... and post... and post. Literally 30 mins after the news broke we started seeing the "I think my Garruk is a fake!!!!!" threads.
I think we need to educate people that these aren't nearly as impressive as feared, and it might help the people who will freak out about any card they get that isn't out of a booster.
Dude obviously never suffered through (Saviors of) Kamigawa or opened packs of Fallen Empires. The entire Kamigawa block was weak, and forced an odd theme but at least Betrayers had ninjas while Saviors had nothing whatsoever. I quit quickly after that set.
I didn't play during Fallen Empires, but during the Onslaught block, a friend of mine scored a box of Fallen Empires for cheap. We quickly found out why.
Always bugs me when people lump CHK into the same field as Fallen Empires, Homelands, and Saviors. CHK alone is a very solid set, and has plenty of cards that are chased today. Theme or no theme and not looking at the art, it was a set filled with extremely unique ideas and was very fun to play. Problem was they couldn't follow it up very well with the next two sets and ruined the block as a whole. IMO, that's the problem we're seeing here in Theros. Very unique first set, dropping the ball in the last two. I don't see it as the WORST EVER, but people throw around Homelands and Fallen Empires as examples and many of those folks really had ZERO idea why they were bad.
After tonight's spoils, I do feel slightly better. There are some nifty and unique cards in there... and Vortex Elemental is my fave card of the set. But I'm not going to bother going to prerelease or buy boxes this time. I'll pick up my playsets of what I need and be happy with that. Thankfully 99% are uncommons and commons.
Great point. I agree though, it would be awesome to power out something disgusting.
You have 4 fetchlands but only 2 fetchable sources?[/quote]
Yup, There is no reason to have any more. They are basically there to make sure you have a green source turn 1-3, then turn 4 you're usually going off and any other fetches you draw will be dumped into the gy. The plains honestly should be another forest, because I've never once needed to fetch for a W source.
Sure thing, sorry I didn't see this earlier...
4 Kiora's Follower
2 Rattleclaw Mystic
2 Twinflame
4 Jeskai Ascendancy
2 Astral Cornucopia
2 Retraction Helix
1 Burning Anger
4 Defiant Strike
4 Dragon Mantle
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Commune with the Gods
2 Dig Through Time
4 Mana Confluence
4 Mystic Monastery
4 Yavimaya Coast
3 Shivan Reef
4 GW Fetch
1 Forest
1 Plains
It's goldfishing VERY well, but not sure how it will fair in a "live" environment. Also considering having a transformational sideboard of sorts... abusing tokens/convoke spells or something. Seems like once people know the game plan, it'll be sort of easy for them to disrupt. We're going to be living in a land of good stuff decks again, and with that comes counterspells and disruption in every deck regardless of color.
Looks like this deck is about to find a lot more traction. Guess now it's time to talk about the mirror match?
Sorry, going to have to debunk you. Many times they overprint promotional material that they use for these conventions, and these are likely leftovers from previous years. This is a new convention for WOTC, and they likely wanted to bring as much as they could for the fans, and getting rid of a couple of cases of extra old promos that are sitting in the back room is a pretty logical and common thing to see.
Don't be paranoid about the sets or the dates or the card frame, because honestly this is likely all that this is... getting rid of extra crap in the back room from old cons.
People like to read into what MaRo says often. It's also important to note that "in a long time" isn't very long in the scope of Magic. A huge chunk of players didn't start playing the game till ISD/RTR era and are in their early 20's to late teens... so to them anything older than ISD is "a long time."
It's nice that we won't have to fork over millions to get the chase cards, but it won't be good for local shops and WOTC. Here's hoping it pulls a Dark Ascension and pulls out it's greatness later in life.
As long as there is a minimal possibility that a card a person bought is fake, they will post... and post... and post. Literally 30 mins after the news broke we started seeing the "I think my Garruk is a fake!!!!!" threads.
I think we need to educate people that these aren't nearly as impressive as feared, and it might help the people who will freak out about any card they get that isn't out of a booster.
Always bugs me when people lump CHK into the same field as Fallen Empires, Homelands, and Saviors. CHK alone is a very solid set, and has plenty of cards that are chased today. Theme or no theme and not looking at the art, it was a set filled with extremely unique ideas and was very fun to play. Problem was they couldn't follow it up very well with the next two sets and ruined the block as a whole. IMO, that's the problem we're seeing here in Theros. Very unique first set, dropping the ball in the last two. I don't see it as the WORST EVER, but people throw around Homelands and Fallen Empires as examples and many of those folks really had ZERO idea why they were bad.