MTG Salvation

Pros:

I guess it's still free?


Cons:

Layout looks like *****
Curse crap everywhere
Harder to navigate
less customization
I don't want to check out your facebook or twitter



all in all I hate the new changes, but then again, I generally hate curse sites and what they do. Curse tends to be more about promoting themselves rather than the quality of their websites. In all honesty this looks like absolute *****

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Yes. But Prossh Generates multiple creatures. You sac all the kobolds plus prossh to get his next casting cost and then some. It's ridiculous.

ah that makes sense, thank you

can anyone explain to me how you can go infinite with Prossh and Food Chain. It says add X mana of any one color to your mana pool for it's converted cost +1. So you would need to exile multiple creatures to get BRG correct?

smokestack seems like a pretty good option here

Tahngarth, Talruum Hero Voltron!

Quote from ExoTox

I had this posted on of of the other threads but its not very active so ill try posting here. As soon as I saw this card I knew I was going to be building a deck around him. Of course the infect win plan was one that quickly came to mind but I want to have fun with people not make them want to flip the table on me. My version of the deck is going to sit back and draw everyone cards in the beginning of of cards like hollowing mine and prosperity/ skyscribing, sit behind a few choice counter spells for big threats, play wheel of fortune effects and sweepers for big boards. So what do you guys this is the right number of sweeper and counter spells for a list life this?

Forced Fruition - How has this card been for you?

I was planning on running curiosity so when I look at Helm of the Ghastlord it blew my mind that card is strictly nuts.

A few cards I haven't seen much mention here of are:
Mind Over Matter
Hive Mind - Pact of negation
Sire of Insanity
Havengul Lich - I plan on playing more creatures than your list. Snapcaster Mage, Trinket Mage, Archaeomancer , Both versions of Niv-Mizzet
Creeping Tar Pit - really good target for Whispering Madness
Diviner's Wand
Wound Reflection - Painful Quandary
Malfegor
Words of Waste - Words of war - [CARD]Words of
Wind[/CARD]

Are any of there worth a slot?

Forced Fruition is a powerhouse once it's out, I highly recommend it.


Mind Over Matter - powerful card, I just don't see it getting much use here. That probably has more to do with me, but other than untapping lands, I don't feel there are many targets for it

Hive Mind - Pact of negation - Hive Mind alone seems fine, I hate Hive Mind/Pact combos, I think it's dumb and its not a satisfying win to me. If you're into that, go for it

Sire of Insanity - decent card although I feel that it only has synergy if you have something like Megrim/Sangromancer/Liliana's Caress out. Probably worth reexamining once Waste Not comes out

Havengul Lich - I plan on playing more creatures than your list. Snapcaster Mage, Trinket Mage, Archaeomancer , Both versions of Niv-Mizzet - thats the problem, I just dont have enough targets for it. Good card though

Creeping Tar Pit - really good target for Whispering Madness - I don't run whispering madness, it has good synergy with creeping tar pit, and tarpit alone might be quite good, but I'm not sold on it

Diviner's Wand - seems weak

Wound Reflection - Painful Quandary - I have painful quandary in my Seizan deck, might be worth running here, could find room, but not sure if it's worth it.

Malfegor - Maybe, not a high priority imo

Words of Waste - Words of war -
Words of Wind - I had Words of Waste for a while, wasn't that good. Words of War might be very good

Quote from Chapel

Chains of Mephistopheles. Haha, im sorry. If you have a chains then more power to you but eh.. Its banned in my meta for a reason. The second it touches any board here, it literally will get that player killed in about 3 turns, even after its been removed.

You get hated on for playing it, but in this deck, it can do enough damage in one round passing, making it totally worth it. I find it starts to close out games very quickly and 3 turns might not be enough. Just my experience with it on the board

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As for the Mage, what turn do you generally see yourself winning on? Is he just too late into the game to make much of an impact? I ask because my roommate is building Nekusar and we've discussed the card at length.

Library is exceptional in this deck. I'd hate to see you run the Wheels without it.

Anvil just seems underwhelming for its cost, but I haven't seen it in action so I can't really testify to it. On that note, how much of a priority is it for you to drop Greaves? Do people target Nekusar very often or do they consider him a necessary evil?

Edit: Have you considered Consecrated Sphinx? He'll do great work in your list if you can stick him.

Ya, he's generally too late to make a massive impact in my experience. Plus, I have no haste enablers, and he has to swing and connect to wheel. It's usually not an issue, but it can be. Granted, I've had limited playing with him, but when he's hit I've gotten hated on immediately.

Anvil might very well be underwhelming, it's something I'm considering dropping

As far as greaves/nekusar - I find he only gets hated on when other components are out on the board. Alone, most people don't seem to mind him, but if you start wheeling, or drop a helm of the ghastlord or something on him, people will try to remove.

I'll consider Consecrated Sphinx, I generally don't like to play him because it's kind of bm in my opinion.

Quote from ajacobik

How has Dragon Mage been in your experience? He seems like a really solid piece of tech in the late game. 7 damage to each opponent and an additional 5 to one of them seems like a great way to seal the deal.

Anvil of Bogardan and Mage of the Jar both seem week. In your shoes I'd run Library of Leng - don't throw away your best cards to your wheel effects.

Rings of the Brighthearth let you get double work out of some of your mass-draw artifacts and also lets you get infinite mana out of Mana Vault so that your X-spells will kill the table.

Dragon Mage has been a "win more" type card for me. He's an all-star when he gets out and can connect, but he just doesn't seem to do much other than that.

Library of Leng is a must, thank you for pointing this out, I just glazed over it.

Anvil of Bogardan is pretty good if you have Nekusar out with Megrim/Liliana's Caress. It's good with either of those pieces anyway, but I think there may be better options

I'll look into Rings of Brightheart.

I wanted to post my decklist, to get some feedback on it, maybe give some other Nekusar players some ideas.




Potential Cuts - Glistening Oil, Anvil of Bogardan, Magus of the Jar, Dragon Mage, braingeyser, Minds aglow

I will be adding Waste Not when it comes out; aside from that, I feel like I need some targeted removal, maybe some more ramp

Thoughts and Suggestions?

Sylvan Primordial is the only problem imo amongst the rest.

Diluvian doesn't always have targets, nor good targets
Luminarch is absolutely terrible
Molten is pretty decent, but not broken
Sepulchral is probably the second strongest, a pretty good card, but not banworthy.

The problem I have with Sylvan Primordial is he's a big body. for relatively moderate cost, who's ETB trigger can create a massive swing in power. Destroying virtually any target permanent and then giving you land advantage. He's a worse version of Terastodon combined with Primeval Titan. He may not be as bad as Prime Time, but I think it's pretty clear WotC took the Prime Time ban and just blatantly disrespected the rules committee's decision by making this card.

Primeval Titan had similar problems, although he didn't destroy any permanents, he gave a pretty big advantage. He was also mandatory for virtually every deck that ran green. Sylvan Primordial is the same way, I haven't seen a green deck that doesn't run him, which makes a pretty good case that he is overpowered if every single deck that runs green feels the need to splash him in.

My lgs has them at $25 a piece which seems pretty good. SCG makes me want to vomit, I refuse to by cards from them

Seizan, Perverter of Truth
Iron Maiden
Ebony Owl Netsuke
Adamaro, First to Desire
Kederekt Parasite
Nin, the Pain Artist
Viseling
Phyrexian Tyranny
Spiteful Visions
Molten Psyche
Sign in Blood
Miser's Cage
Skullcage

all punish

Font of Mythos, Howling Mine, Kami of the Crescent Moon, etc. force more draw

EDIT: I was going to add more but Hawk7915 basically covered everything

Quote from Steamsteam

that Hanna, Ship's Navigator is one piece of ayce, I know from experience

So far what I've got for building it mostly revolves around wheel/draw pain. I took a lot of ideas from my Kami of the Crescent Moon and Seizan, Perverter of Truth decks.

Font of Mythos, Howling Mine, Otherworld Atlas, Temple Bell, Kami of the Crescent Moon, Seizan, Perverter of Truth, etc. for consistent draw engines.


Teferi's Puzzle Box, Memory Jar, Dragon Mage, Magus of the Jar, Whirlpool Warrior, Incendiary Command, Molten Psyche, Reforge the Soul, etc. for wheel cards

Other strong cards: Elder Mastery, Helm of the Ghastlord, Glistening Oil, Phyrexian Tyranny, etc.


Some cards that are in my deck now I'm considering dropping like:Chains of Mephistopheles, Words of Wind, Mind's Aglow


This is an abridged version of my deck list, I kind of want to focus on forcing the enemy to draw and discard abusing stuff like Nekusar, Underworld Dreams, Spiteful Visions, etc.