Oh great another deck creator on this forum that wins a few dailys with their deck and thinks they just broke the format with their list. This happens a lot on here and it just kills any progression on a deck because heads get big and any ideas get shot down immediately without testing and yes I'm talking to YOU. And even if my list isn't perfect at least im throwing ideas out there instead of just having a 50 page circlejerk thread going nowhere and not testing anything. And i don't know why you capitalized "EVERYTIME" because rg tron does not get tron turn 3 everytime. No deck can do something turn 3 "EVERYTIME" unless it's a land drop in a 60 land card deck. The only thing you pointed out wrong at the core of my deck is the mana base and by your logic every deck should be mono colored because i'm running 6 basics instead of 9. Maybe we should tell the WUR guys to go mono blue since it's more consistent and their mana base sucks. Karn can be any other wincon your little heart desires and just because i play cards that can fetch tron doesn't mean i forget counters and go balls to the wall timmy mode. More than often I'll play a counter before trying to rush tron especially if i dont have a wincon in my hand. The green ensures tron when I need it. If you don't believe me, test it and make a note of whatever single card replaces an old one and see if you miss having it or not.
On loam and gifts, that could work and it would need to replace existing wincons since there are enough as it is although stirrings doesn't dig for gifts unlike wurm, angel, slaver, ostone, ect. Notice how I said it could work and I do plan on trying it before calling it a "terrible list".
Well he's posted a lot more results than winning a 'few' daily events. Some thread creators don't feel the need to back up what they say with results from any event at all and most of the things that shok/khani says are backed up by at least a bit of valid reasoning. I appreciate the explanation for the snapcasters but I do have a few questions:
I can name about 5 decks in which our matchup is soley based on me getting 3 blue sources out rather quickly.
Which 5? This seems like a pretty big call to make and it seems like a rather odd thing to be so important.
I run talisman because it sets up perfect with expedition map t2
If you opened with the map you would have played it on turn 1, right? So if that happened now you have to choose between popping your map EOT or casting mainphase talisman (usually I would save the mana for map EOT and (possibly bluff) for remand/condescend). If you open with talisman and then in your turn 2 draw step you topdeck map I guess it's handy to be able to go talisman into map but this doesn't feel like enough of a reason to endorse the Talisman.
oh one last comment. those of you who feel sundering titan is underwhelming you are absolutely insane. He's hands down the biggest game changing card v 70% of the decks that are out there.
I would appreciate a bit more explanation here. Against non-path midrange decks ST seems to have a similar impact to Wurmcoil by being a big creature that's awkward to remove and trades with a bunch of their cards. Against decks with a more combo-plan ST looks like it does a similar thing to Mindslaver, by destroying a bunch of their resources. ST seems to fit a niche against UWR by being a big threat that's still bad for them if they Path it but I've often considered cutting the Titan because it seems so redundant with the other cards that we play.
Anyway congrats on the result, I'm taking this deck to a big-ish modern event at the end of the month and I hope I have just as much success with it.
I don't know how mu hthe deck has changed since seething song has been banned, but Manamorphose used to be very important due to how the combo worked.
You used to need 5 mana, 3 of which needed to be red, and the outcome would be 15 red mana. you needed to filter that into blue which allowed you to recast your gifts ungiven after a past in flames.
That was the easy kill. Its possible to kill your opponent without gifts ungiven, but its really hard to kill them without a manamorphose as you had too much red mana and not enough blue (If your trying for a turn 5/6 kill, late game storage lands fix that problem)
It is also not irrelevant that on your combo turn it is two storm. While it is possible to get to storm 20 and 60 your marty opponent, sometimes only get get about 10 storm to kill with your grapeshot due to lack of resources.
That's why I said to use Channel the Suns now that you can't play Seething Song anymore, which mostly eliminates the problem of not having mana of the right colours. LK's list originally didn't have this so I can see how Manamorphose is more important there, but once you are using Channel of the Suns you only seem to want 1 free cantrip in the deck to put in gifts piles with Noxious Revival and it doesn't really make too much difference which one you use.
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I'm pretty frustrated at all the "lol if you aren't winning with this list then it's obviously too hard to play for you" circlejerk posts in this thread. Look at LKs post at the top of page 33 in response to whether the deck is still playable after the SS ban.
Short answer: yes. Long answer: Well, it's a lot tougher to play, because there isn't a standard gifts pile to win you the game anymore and you aren't as fast, so your play has to be even tighter and you have to reach near-Doomsday levels of tutor mastery to reliably go off. The Jury's still out as to whether that makes the deck unpilotable for new players, but I think it'll turn out still being good enough to play.
How does this even make sense? SS was part of your main combo, so banning it obviously made the deck worse. Either the deck is now worse to the point of being unplayable, or the deck still functions (in a worse way) using some other combo plan. It is not a harder-to-play version of the same deck. When they banned Second Sunrise I don't think anybody here would have said something like "Well you just have to play Open the Vaults in Eggs now. You need a lot more mana to go off than before so you need to run Krark Clan Ironworks now and you can't loop as easily. The deck is still just as good as it was pre-ban, but people aren't putting up results with it because it's so hard to play now". That's just utter nonsense.
There's a similar post (Unkyunk vs LK on page 12) where the viability of this deck is questioned relative to a more traditional storm deck, and the issue is dismissed with more rubbish.
Nobody wants to play a worse something else, so the first two things people will ask after seeing this deck are:
A) If I'm going to be winning with Desperate Ritual is this really better than the Portland-Finkel deck?
B) If I'm playing Gifts Ungiven would I be better off playing a pure control deck with Loam, Lingering Souls etc?
Because these two decks both have proven records in large tournaments.
The only way you can convince people that Ritual Gifts is viable is with tournament reports. Every tournament result pre-SS ban (which is most of the thread) is almost irrelevant now, because nobody has demonstrated that the deck is able to function at the same level while missing this key card. I don't believe there were any major successes for this deck at a GP or PTQ level even with Seething Song.
The reason why I'm placing such emphasis on results is because there doesn't seem to be any way to have a legitimate discussion; anything INS or LK says is taken as gospel and any critique or counter-theorycrafting is met with 'gg nub you obviously aren't good enough to understand'.
I'm posting in the thread because I want the deck to be good, I like the idea of a control deck winning with storm. I'm just not seeing it.
Newcomer to this thread: I like Past in Flames, Gifts Ungiven and Grapeshot so if I can play them all in one deck that seems cool.
I took the list from Karona's blog post and goldfished it a bit. I have some questions.
Is Plasm Capture really that good? Mana Drain is a much better card because it only costs 2: the chance of countering a spell that cost more than it and therefore accelerating you is much higher than with plasm capture (it also makes it a better counterspell because you can deal with threats earlier). In this deck the biggest thing you can ramp into is either a Gifts Ungiven or a PiF, both of which cost 4+ mana. Gifts Ungiven is an instant, so how often is Plasm Capture simply a worse Rewind? (Given that you tapped 4 lands to counter a spell possibly costing 3 or less). If you Gifts into the combo, untap, pass, Plasm Capture their next thing, then use the extra mana to go off, that seems like the best use for the card, but that seems extremely unwieldy and slow.
This brings me to my next point: Is this just a worse version of Gifts Rock? (The UGWB Deathrite, Lingering Souls, Unburial Rites, Loam, Removal, Discard control deck). It is able to fit more disruption because it doesn't have to devote around 10+ slots to comboing off. If you see an opening for Unburial Rites -> Fatty then that play will normally be just as lethal as a big storm count and even if you can't you still have the option of Giftsing for value, binning stuff like Lingering Souls, Life from the Loam, etc. Getting to 4 mana, gifts for Rites+Fatty, untapping and using that same 4 mana to seal the deal is so much easier than having to use extra rituals and things to get to PiF mana so that your combo can start.
Apart from these more overall issues I had some problems with specific cards:
-Desolate Lighthouse and basic Mountain are bad because they don't cast plasm capture.
-I don't see the reason for Burst of Speed + Empty: why not just Flashback all your rituals with PiF and then remand your Grapeshot?
-Why aren't you playing Channel the Suns?
-Why are there 3 maindeck Manamorphose? You can cast all your spells off your lands. If you play Channel the Suns it further alleviates the problem of "I burned all my coloured mana into rituals and now I only have Red". This isn't a deck that's trying to chain 20 spells from its hand into a Grapeshot so it seems unnecessary to have 3 free cantrips in the deck that don't do much of anything. They could be cut for more disruption (althought I would still keep 1, or a Gitaxian Probe for Gifts Pile reasons)
-1 of the flex slots should probably be an Electrolyze
Maybe you can post a video of you playing some games? I just can't see how the deck is really as strong as your article implies.
Would Aether Spellbomb be a playable card? The small speedbump for the opponent could be good in the matchups against fast aggro decks. (I'm thinking either in the Repeal or Talisman slots)
Pros:
-Artifact (pitches to TFK, Recurrable by academy ruins)
-Still cantrips in the MUs where repeal is bad/awkward
-Is cheaper or equal to the cost of a repeal when you're targeting a non-ornithopter (This is also relevant for curve reasons being able to go Talisman into spellbomb or turn 1 spellbomb when you don't have a map, turn 1 spellbomb into turn 2 Talisman leaving up bomb activation etc)
-Hits Teeg (unlike repeal)
-Hits Emrakul, Iona (unlike everything)
-Hits manland (unlike repeal)
Cons:
-Artifact (Stony Silence turns it off)
-If you bounce something with it you don't get to draw a card
-Only bounces creatures
Has anyone considered this? It seems reasonable
EDIT:
I'm quite liking this
It's better against controlly MUs because it just cycles and you don't have to worry about finding a target or paying a lot of mana.
Against aggro MUs it seems like being able to just pay 1 and bounce anything is more crucial than the extra card the repeal would give you. (I just took the shoktroopa 'stock list' and cut 3 repeals for spellbombs)
Against the more midrangey part of the spectrum it's probably worse but that seems like a sacrifice that's worth making in this instance
The line "when ~ attacks and isn't blocked" is meant to check whether the creature is attacking or not. The entire ability triggers and resolves in the declare blockers step.
The "when this attacks... [ability]" does create a bit of ambiguity as the above poster has highlighted but having something along the lines of "when this isn't blocked, [ability]" also is weird. Is it considered not blocked if it didn't attack? Is it considered not blocked in my upkeep? Etc
There are quite a few cards already printed with this line of text so it's not like there isn't precedent to this specific scenario.
TL : DR 'TheLizard' is correct
EDIT: Partially nathed by delost
The idea is that Aggro decks (Lyzolda?) and other Tempo decks (Geist?) lose to infinite Electrickeries (It also makes things hard for like Azami and Elves, I guess), and decks with more expensive cards lose to counterspells and a relatively quick clock.
The list is obviously not optimal, to start with I was like "lolol, add this spell for sure, it's blue AND red!" (Weirds) and towards the end of this list I just started running out of ideas so added in whatever card seemed okay. (Incinerate, Vapor Snag)
I've used a similar build on cockatrice 1v1s in 40-life mode to reasonable success so I reckon it can work rather well.
Cockatrice is used to be good, but I always kicked out after some minutes logging in. It makes me very sad since I have difficulty to play Magic in real life
I'm also having this problem
When trying to connect it often fails and returns the message "server timeout", and when I do connect the same thing often happens mid game (to the point that playing more than one game of a match before being dropped out of the server is rare).
Does anyone know if there is a fix for this or if it is a server-side issue when it is going to be fixed?
I've seen plenty of logic in what you've been saying, but very little reason. I see you trying very hard to justify and rationalize an abhorrent practice. Marking up a product just because the market can sustain that price may be a logical business decision, but it's not in the best interest of your customers, is it? And no, you're not "required" to act in the best interest of your customers, but I'm sure they'd appreciate it if you did. I, for one, consider myself lucky that you don't own MY LGS. Or do you? I can't seem to find much information about which store you're affiliated with.
I think you're confused about the idea of 'not in the best interest of the customers'. It's a nice-sounding emotive phrase, but if you aren't buying the things then you aren't even a customer in the first place. "This company is not good to is customers" is not the same as "I don't buy their stuff because I think it's too expensive".
The choice to price up the product to meet demand is simple economics. If you want him to sell his stuff for cheap, obviously the demand is going to be huge - how do you propose he distributes the stock?
If you really want something to get sore about then I would be very concerned about the string of wizards' recent decisions showing a philosophy of 'our players enjoy scarcity', especially regarding the reserved list and the release of several new products including this one.
As the lead developer for MTG Familiar, I've gotta push that one. It has the most advanced offline search on android, it pulls prices from TCGPlayer, and its continuously updated. you can even request features, and I'll see what I can do about it. Check out the google code page and submit ideas here: google.com/p/mtg-familiar/
One problem with the search on this is that it will only search for an exact phrase
Eg If I'm searching card text, "Counter spell" returns no results, but
"Counter target spell" does - and some cards I might want to find will not appear e.g. Negate.
I like the interface more than MTG tracker and the card search is still better but I wonder how hard this feature would be to change?
EDIT
I just downloaded mtgdroid and it also has this problem
And your google URL gave me a 404
Sorry if these have been spoiled already, I looked around but didn't find them
One of them is the 4R 4/1 Vampire with undying (Nearhearth Stalker)
Another one is the curse that makes the player lose life for every curse they have (Curse of Thirst)
There was a third one too but I can't remember what it was unfortunately
EDIT: It's Gather the Townsfolk
Also Despise is the FNM promo and Zombie Apocalypse and Strangleroot Geist are the Game Day promos but I think those have been spoiled already
Also, for the winner of game day there is a playmat - ill try and find the artwork that was on it. It says game day "Champion" along the bottom. Champion is in big letters but the N is hidden behind some kind of logo so it looks like CHAMPIO
Me and my friend had a bit of a laugh at that
EDIT The picture is the second James Ryman art on this page, the one with the girl holding a stake in one hand and some kind of blue-flaming torch in the other http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/878
Source - at the LGS yesterday when they opened up the promo package
When a 1 colorless mana card can stop a lot of different things including the most powerful card ever printed in magic history yawgmoth's will then it is an amazing hate card.
Players have been able to stop yawgmoth's will with a colourless 0 mana card since before yawgmoth's will was even printed.
The problem with this card in legacy is that while it seems like a leyline which you can just reliably cast whenever you draw it, it has a significant opportunity cost in that it does absolutely nothing against quite a few other cards which traditional graveyard hate is useful against:
Life from the Loam
Crucible of Worlds
Knight of the Reliquary
Sword of the Meek
Replenish
Tarmogoyf
Tombstalker
Punishing Fire
Terravore
Goblin Welder
Bridge from Below
So I don't think this card will see too much play in eternal formats, because you can play so many other cards which are almost the same but have a much wider usability.
I saw somebody say something like "Trinket Mage is now Legacy Dredge's biggest enemy" - you could already get the following hate with the mage anyway. 3 mana find 1 mana answer is too slow, especially if your answer doesn't stop Bridge from Below triggering when your guys in play die.
Tormod's Crypt
Relic of Progenitus
Nihil Spellbomb
Also, against blue decks that can chain of vapor or whatever, you don't even have the option of 'crack it in response'.
The reasons for playing this card over traditional gravehate IMO are that it shuts off the following
Green Sun
Fetch->Arbor
Natural Order
Oath of Druids (although cards like Tormod's Crypt are already quite strong against oath (the deck, not the card))
Tinker
But I don't think it's worth putting in the SB in legacy over the current alternatives
Well he's posted a lot more results than winning a 'few' daily events. Some thread creators don't feel the need to back up what they say with results from any event at all and most of the things that shok/khani says are backed up by at least a bit of valid reasoning. I appreciate the explanation for the snapcasters but I do have a few questions:
Which 5? This seems like a pretty big call to make and it seems like a rather odd thing to be so important.
If you opened with the map you would have played it on turn 1, right? So if that happened now you have to choose between popping your map EOT or casting mainphase talisman (usually I would save the mana for map EOT and (possibly bluff) for remand/condescend). If you open with talisman and then in your turn 2 draw step you topdeck map I guess it's handy to be able to go talisman into map but this doesn't feel like enough of a reason to endorse the Talisman.
I would appreciate a bit more explanation here. Against non-path midrange decks ST seems to have a similar impact to Wurmcoil by being a big creature that's awkward to remove and trades with a bunch of their cards. Against decks with a more combo-plan ST looks like it does a similar thing to Mindslaver, by destroying a bunch of their resources. ST seems to fit a niche against UWR by being a big threat that's still bad for them if they Path it but I've often considered cutting the Titan because it seems so redundant with the other cards that we play.
Anyway congrats on the result, I'm taking this deck to a big-ish modern event at the end of the month and I hope I have just as much success with it.
That's why I said to use Channel the Suns now that you can't play Seething Song anymore, which mostly eliminates the problem of not having mana of the right colours. LK's list originally didn't have this so I can see how Manamorphose is more important there, but once you are using Channel of the Suns you only seem to want 1 free cantrip in the deck to put in gifts piles with Noxious Revival and it doesn't really make too much difference which one you use.
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I'm pretty frustrated at all the "lol if you aren't winning with this list then it's obviously too hard to play for you" circlejerk posts in this thread. Look at LKs post at the top of page 33 in response to whether the deck is still playable after the SS ban.
How does this even make sense? SS was part of your main combo, so banning it obviously made the deck worse. Either the deck is now worse to the point of being unplayable, or the deck still functions (in a worse way) using some other combo plan. It is not a harder-to-play version of the same deck. When they banned Second Sunrise I don't think anybody here would have said something like "Well you just have to play Open the Vaults in Eggs now. You need a lot more mana to go off than before so you need to run Krark Clan Ironworks now and you can't loop as easily. The deck is still just as good as it was pre-ban, but people aren't putting up results with it because it's so hard to play now". That's just utter nonsense.
There's a similar post (Unkyunk vs LK on page 12) where the viability of this deck is questioned relative to a more traditional storm deck, and the issue is dismissed with more rubbish.
Nobody wants to play a worse something else, so the first two things people will ask after seeing this deck are:
A) If I'm going to be winning with Desperate Ritual is this really better than the Portland-Finkel deck?
B) If I'm playing Gifts Ungiven would I be better off playing a pure control deck with Loam, Lingering Souls etc?
Because these two decks both have proven records in large tournaments.
The only way you can convince people that Ritual Gifts is viable is with tournament reports. Every tournament result pre-SS ban (which is most of the thread) is almost irrelevant now, because nobody has demonstrated that the deck is able to function at the same level while missing this key card. I don't believe there were any major successes for this deck at a GP or PTQ level even with Seething Song.
The reason why I'm placing such emphasis on results is because there doesn't seem to be any way to have a legitimate discussion; anything INS or LK says is taken as gospel and any critique or counter-theorycrafting is met with 'gg nub you obviously aren't good enough to understand'.
I'm posting in the thread because I want the deck to be good, I like the idea of a control deck winning with storm. I'm just not seeing it.
I took the list from Karona's blog post and goldfished it a bit. I have some questions.
Is Plasm Capture really that good? Mana Drain is a much better card because it only costs 2: the chance of countering a spell that cost more than it and therefore accelerating you is much higher than with plasm capture (it also makes it a better counterspell because you can deal with threats earlier). In this deck the biggest thing you can ramp into is either a Gifts Ungiven or a PiF, both of which cost 4+ mana. Gifts Ungiven is an instant, so how often is Plasm Capture simply a worse Rewind? (Given that you tapped 4 lands to counter a spell possibly costing 3 or less). If you Gifts into the combo, untap, pass, Plasm Capture their next thing, then use the extra mana to go off, that seems like the best use for the card, but that seems extremely unwieldy and slow.
This brings me to my next point: Is this just a worse version of Gifts Rock? (The UGWB Deathrite, Lingering Souls, Unburial Rites, Loam, Removal, Discard control deck). It is able to fit more disruption because it doesn't have to devote around 10+ slots to comboing off. If you see an opening for Unburial Rites -> Fatty then that play will normally be just as lethal as a big storm count and even if you can't you still have the option of Giftsing for value, binning stuff like Lingering Souls, Life from the Loam, etc. Getting to 4 mana, gifts for Rites+Fatty, untapping and using that same 4 mana to seal the deal is so much easier than having to use extra rituals and things to get to PiF mana so that your combo can start.
Apart from these more overall issues I had some problems with specific cards:
-Desolate Lighthouse and basic Mountain are bad because they don't cast plasm capture.
-I don't see the reason for Burst of Speed + Empty: why not just Flashback all your rituals with PiF and then remand your Grapeshot?
-Why aren't you playing Channel the Suns?
-Why are there 3 maindeck Manamorphose? You can cast all your spells off your lands. If you play Channel the Suns it further alleviates the problem of "I burned all my coloured mana into rituals and now I only have Red". This isn't a deck that's trying to chain 20 spells from its hand into a Grapeshot so it seems unnecessary to have 3 free cantrips in the deck that don't do much of anything. They could be cut for more disruption (althought I would still keep 1, or a Gitaxian Probe for Gifts Pile reasons)
-1 of the flex slots should probably be an Electrolyze
Maybe you can post a video of you playing some games? I just can't see how the deck is really as strong as your article implies.
Pros:
-Artifact (pitches to TFK, Recurrable by academy ruins)
-Still cantrips in the MUs where repeal is bad/awkward
-Is cheaper or equal to the cost of a repeal when you're targeting a non-ornithopter (This is also relevant for curve reasons being able to go Talisman into spellbomb or turn 1 spellbomb when you don't have a map, turn 1 spellbomb into turn 2 Talisman leaving up bomb activation etc)
-Hits Teeg (unlike repeal)
-Hits Emrakul, Iona (unlike everything)
-Hits manland (unlike repeal)
Cons:
-Artifact (Stony Silence turns it off)
-If you bounce something with it you don't get to draw a card
-Only bounces creatures
Has anyone considered this? It seems reasonable
EDIT:
I'm quite liking this
It's better against controlly MUs because it just cycles and you don't have to worry about finding a target or paying a lot of mana.
Against aggro MUs it seems like being able to just pay 1 and bounce anything is more crucial than the extra card the repeal would give you. (I just took the shoktroopa 'stock list' and cut 3 repeals for spellbombs)
Against the more midrangey part of the spectrum it's probably worse but that seems like a sacrifice that's worth making in this instance
The "when this attacks... [ability]" does create a bit of ambiguity as the above poster has highlighted but having something along the lines of "when this isn't blocked, [ability]" also is weird. Is it considered not blocked if it didn't attack? Is it considered not blocked in my upkeep? Etc
There are quite a few cards already printed with this line of text so it's not like there isn't precedent to this specific scenario.
TL : DR 'TheLizard' is correct
EDIT: Partially nathed by delost
The idea is that Aggro decks (Lyzolda?) and other Tempo decks (Geist?) lose to infinite Electrickeries (It also makes things hard for like Azami and Elves, I guess), and decks with more expensive cards lose to counterspells and a relatively quick clock.
The list is obviously not optimal, to start with I was like "lolol, add this spell for sure, it's blue AND red!" (Weirds) and towards the end of this list I just started running out of ideas so added in whatever card seemed okay. (Incinerate, Vapor Snag)
I've used a similar build on cockatrice 1v1s in 40-life mode to reasonable success so I reckon it can work rather well.
Let me know what you think
Edited for card tags
I'm also having this problem
When trying to connect it often fails and returns the message "server timeout", and when I do connect the same thing often happens mid game (to the point that playing more than one game of a match before being dropped out of the server is rare).
Does anyone know if there is a fix for this or if it is a server-side issue when it is going to be fixed?
I think you're confused about the idea of 'not in the best interest of the customers'. It's a nice-sounding emotive phrase, but if you aren't buying the things then you aren't even a customer in the first place. "This company is not good to is customers" is not the same as "I don't buy their stuff because I think it's too expensive".
The choice to price up the product to meet demand is simple economics. If you want him to sell his stuff for cheap, obviously the demand is going to be huge - how do you propose he distributes the stock?
If you really want something to get sore about then I would be very concerned about the string of wizards' recent decisions showing a philosophy of 'our players enjoy scarcity', especially regarding the reserved list and the release of several new products including this one.
One problem with the search on this is that it will only search for an exact phrase
Eg If I'm searching card text, "Counter spell" returns no results, but
"Counter target spell" does - and some cards I might want to find will not appear e.g. Negate.
I like the interface more than MTG tracker and the card search is still better but I wonder how hard this feature would be to change?
EDIT
I just downloaded mtgdroid and it also has this problem
And your google URL gave me a 404
Oh yup that's right
Thanks for reminding me
One of them is the 4R 4/1 Vampire with undying (Nearhearth Stalker)
Another one is the curse that makes the player lose life for every curse they have (Curse of Thirst)
There was a third one too but I can't remember what it was unfortunately
EDIT: It's Gather the Townsfolk
Also Despise is the FNM promo and Zombie Apocalypse and Strangleroot Geist are the Game Day promos but I think those have been spoiled already
Also, for the winner of game day there is a playmat - ill try and find the artwork that was on it. It says game day "Champion" along the bottom. Champion is in big letters but the N is hidden behind some kind of logo so it looks like CHAMPIO
Me and my friend had a bit of a laugh at that
EDIT The picture is the second James Ryman art on this page, the one with the girl holding a stake in one hand and some kind of blue-flaming torch in the other
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/878
Source - at the LGS yesterday when they opened up the promo package
Players have been able to stop yawgmoth's will with a colourless 0 mana card since before yawgmoth's will was even printed.
Think for a second and stop feeding the hype
You can still return pristine talisman etc but not creatures
edit: Nathed by above
edit: Twice
edit: Below got nathed by me harharharhar
Life from the Loam
Crucible of Worlds
Knight of the Reliquary
Sword of the Meek
Replenish
Tarmogoyf
Tombstalker
Punishing Fire
Terravore
Goblin Welder
Bridge from Below
So I don't think this card will see too much play in eternal formats, because you can play so many other cards which are almost the same but have a much wider usability.
I saw somebody say something like "Trinket Mage is now Legacy Dredge's biggest enemy" - you could already get the following hate with the mage anyway. 3 mana find 1 mana answer is too slow, especially if your answer doesn't stop Bridge from Below triggering when your guys in play die.
Tormod's Crypt
Relic of Progenitus
Nihil Spellbomb
Also, against blue decks that can chain of vapor or whatever, you don't even have the option of 'crack it in response'.
The reasons for playing this card over traditional gravehate IMO are that it shuts off the following
Green Sun
Fetch->Arbor
Natural Order
Oath of Druids (although cards like Tormod's Crypt are already quite strong against oath (the deck, not the card))
Tinker
But I don't think it's worth putting in the SB in legacy over the current alternatives
Enters the battlefield tapped
T: Add 1 to your mana pool
As long as it's not your turn, warden of the wall is a 2/3 artifact creature - gargoyle with flying
Ill attach the picture asap
Edit: Here you go