MTG Salvation

This thread is for the compilation of all cards with a mana cost not seen on any other card. Just something I've been maintaining for a few years with the help of others over at the mtgcommander forums. Hope some of you find it interesting.

https://deckstats.net/decks/54758/550571-all-cards-with-unique-mana-cos/en



Scars of Mirrodin Update: Only change over the last two sets is that Genesis Wave meant Chord of Calling no longer makes the list.

Mirrodin Besieged Update: Same total number of cards as before. It that Betrays came off the list as it now shares with Blightsteel Colossus, and White Sun's Zenith took its place.

Commander+New Phyrexia Update: 16 new cards to add to the list from Phyrexian mana alone. I've grouped them with hybrid mana for the purpose of this thread. Geosurge removed Elemental Appeal from the list of monocolor. Surprisingly, Commander actually took off almost as many cards as it added. Guided Passage, Fervent Charge, Fungal Shambler, Lightning Angel all got removed thanks to new legendary wedge creatures. The only new addition in the form of "real" monocolor this update is Dread Cacodemon. With all the black fatties and mega-sorceries ever printed, I'm a little surprised there wasn't already one at this cost, but that's why I keep running the thread.

M12+Innistrad+Dark Ascension Update: The only change is the new addition of Archangel's Light. Maelstrom Wanderer has been spoiled at this point, but I'll wait to add it to the list until it's playable.

Avacyn Restored+Planechase 2012 Update: -Reiver Demon, -Phytohydra, -Firestorm Hellkite, +Bruna, Light of Alabaster, +Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, +Maelstrom Wanderer, +Krond the Dawn-Clad, +Primal Surge, +Entreat the Angels

M13 Update: Diabolic Revelation added and that's it. I almost feel like I ought to have waited because the Return to Ravnica spoilers reveal huge updates to come.

Return to Ravnica Update: 1 new monocolored added, 4 new multicolor added, 1 new hybrid added. The biggest change this time around was all the cards taken off (7 multicolor and 8 hybrid). I'll list them here for record: -Enchanted Evening, -Torsten Von Ursus, -Double Negative, -Fulminator Mage, -Odious Trow, -Cloven Casting, -Izzet Guildmage, -Sapling of Colfenor, -Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, -Zealous Guardian, -Rakdos Guildmage, -Kaervek's Purge, -Morbid Bloom, -Azorius Ploy, -Augury Adept

Gatecrash update: -Slippery Bogle, -Gravelgill Axeshark, -Cemetery Puca, -Necromancer's Covenant, -Wasp Lancer, -Experiment Kraj, -Boartusk Liege, -Flame-Kin Zealot. A few came off, a few were added. Most of the numbers stayed about the same.

Dragon's Maze update: -Absorb, -Mycoid Shepherd. 7 new additions, all in traditional multicolor.

Theros+Born of the Gods update: +Astral Cornucopia, +Ashen Rider. No eliminations.

Journey Into Nyx+M15+Khans of Tarkir update: -Vitalizing Wind, -Curse of the Cabal, -Borborygmos, -Ghave, Guru of Spores, -Riku of Two Reflections, -Epic Experiment, -Progenitor Mimic, -The Mimeoplasm, -Vorosh, the Hunter, -Teneb, the Harvester, -Numot, the Devastator, -Oros, the Avenger, -Intet, the Dreamer, +Bearer of the Heavens, +Empty the Pits, +Duneblast, +Garruk, Apex Predator, +Villainous Wealth, +Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, +Siege Rhino

Fate Reforged+Dragons of Tarkir+Origins update: -Angel of Jubilation, -Polar Kraken, +Sibsig Muckdraggers

Batttle for Zendikar+Commander 2015+Oath of the Gatewatch+Shadows Over Innistrad+Eldritch Moon update: -Nimbus Swimmer, -Unwilling Recruit, +Dark Salvation, +Quarantine Field, +Matter Reshaper, +Thought-Knot Seer, +Altered Ego, +Endbringer, +Deceiver of Form, +Kozilek, the Great Distortion, +Emrakul, the Promised End

Kaladesh + Commander 2016 Update: -Gelatinous Genesis, -Glint-Eye Nephilim, -Ink-Treader Nephilim, -Dune-Brood Nephilim, -Witch-Maw Nephilim, -Yore-Tiller Nephilim, +Primeval Protector, +Treacherous Terrain

Quote from 2goth4U

It's similar to the way activating Gideon Jura after Olivia Voldaren has given him vampire type and he won't be a vampire.

Actually, that works the opposite way:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=7389656&postcount=8

So it looks like it would be a Ninja.

I have a Creeping Tar Pit which is currently an Elemental and I use Sakashima's Student to clone it. I know the Student will enter as a non-animated Tar Pit, but when I animate it later will it be a Ninja Elemental? Or just an Elemental?
This is the only relevant rule I could find:

Quote from "Comp Rules" »

205.3d An object can't gain a subtype that doesn't correspond to one of that object's types.

But it doesn't say the object can't have the subtype. Only that it can't gain it.

So, not only is mtgcommander.net forum down right now, but so is heroesofmightandmagic.com and heroescommunity forum. What good is the internet anymore?

Quote from Galspanic

Drafting 100 card decks, as it turns out, takes forever to pick, forever to build, and forever to play. I hope I didn't scare my playgroup away.

Try doing the Realms variant (also called Big Box or Commie Box).

Quote from cryogen

Ok, I was just worried that it was just me. I've become a recluse on there because it's the same three thread every day, but I still like to lurk there. I really wish they had a developed Off-Topic thread like here

Quote from Jivanmukta

As long as it's not you know who.

What, are we afraid to speak this person's name now? Voldemort? Beetlejuice? Candlejack? Bunch of superstitio

Thank you for your replies.

Quote from MadMageQc

Offering is an alternate cost to cast a card.

How do I know whether something is an alternate cost? I'm still casting the spell for its mana cost, that cost is just modified by a subtraction, much like Stone Calendar. Offering is also phrased differently from the comp rules "usual" way of phrasing alternative costs.

Quote from "Comp Rules" »

117.9. Some spells have alternative costs. An alternative cost is a cost listed in a spell's text, or applied to it from another effect, that its controller may pay rather than paying the spell's mana cost. Alternative costs are usually phrased, "You may [action] rather than pay [this object's] mana cost," or "You may cast [this object] without paying its mana cost." Note that some alternative costs are listed in keywords; see rule 702.

In the section for 702 there are many keywords explicitly stated to be alternate costs: flashback, madness, morph, suspend, evoke, rebound, etc. But in the rules for offering, nothing.

With Angel of Jubilation, can I use the Fox offering ability of Patron of the Kitsune?
Here are the only relevant rules for offering:

Quote from "Comp Rules" »

702.46. Offering

702.46a Offering is a static ability of a card that functions in any zone from which the card can be cast. "[Subtype] offering" means "You may cast this card any time you could cast an instant by sacrificing a [subtype] permanent. If you do, the total cost to cast this card is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost."

As I understand it, Angel of Jubilation does prevent players from casting Force of Will or Dark Triumph for their alternate costs or paying life for Phyrexian Metamorph. The only reason I think this might be different is that offering is not an alternate cost, but then again, Angel doesn't say anything about costs.

Quote from Galspanic

Half the cards I mentioned remove a target card at instant speed and draw a card for 1 (after you pay the initial 1). They do what Cremate does in any color and they have that tap ability that can take out cards with surprising efficiency.

The advantage that Cremate has over the others is that it's hidden, which is huge. I don't run it myself, but other effects like Ravenous Trap and Faerie Macabre are some of my most used staples.

Quote from Giodante

So your opponent decides to drop a Darksteel Plate on their Empyrial Archangel

Nitpick: this is only possible through some additional interactions, such as Humility/Mirrorweave or Stonehewer Giant. Archangel has shroud and the equip ability targets.

I agree with what you're saying. In fact, I would say not only is it not possible to always have the fastest, most robust gameplan, but that I don't want to even go down that road. If your only solution to try to beat your opponents is to win even faster than they do, you're not playing an interactive game. You're just goldfishing together. That kind of growth seems likely to lead to hyper-competitive combo decks being the only viable deck in your meta, which sounds awful to me.

Quote from intreped

This is correct. I know I could find verification on the official Commander forums, but they're down right now.

Oh, what? They've been back for a few days and I didn't even know it. Here's the link to said verification:
http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=130139#p130139
and
http://forum.mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11956

Quote from DTrain5742

Can't remember where I read it, but I'm positive that it still counts as the Commander. You designate a card as your Commander at thr start of the game and it cannot lose that status over the course of the game. No matter whether it's in your hand, in your library, exiled, face down, etc, it's still your commander.

This is correct. I know I could find verification on the official Commander forums, but they're down right now.

Quote from Kryptnyt

I don't think you need to timestamp it.

This is also (mostly) correct. It's a layers thing:

Quote from "Comp Rules" »

all applicable continuous effects are applied in a series of layers in the following order:
Layer 1: Copy effects are applied. See rule 706, "Copying Objects."
Layer 2: Control-changing effects are applied.
Layer 3: Text-changing effects are applied. See rule 612, "Text-Changing Effects."
Layer 4: Type-changing effects are applied. These include effects that change an object's card type, subtype, and/or supertype.
Layer 5: Color-changing effects are applied.
Layer 6: Ability-adding and ability-removing effects are applied.
Layer 7: Power- and/or toughness-changing effects are applied.
Within layers 1-6, apply effects from characteristic-defining abilities first (see rule 604.3), then all other effects in timestamp order (see rule 613.6). Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a layer. (See rule 613.7.)
Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.
Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.

Because "indestructible" is not an ability granted to the creature, it is not removed by Humility. So the first thing to happen is the creature loses all its abilities, then it becomes a 1/1, then Eldrazi Monument gives it another +1/+1 making it 2/2 and still indestructible.

The only thing that timestamp affects is whether it has flying or not, because the granting of the ability and the removal of the ability happen in the same layer (Layer 6). So if Humility entered the battlefield first, they would lose all abilities first and then end up with flying. If Eldrazi Monument entered the battlefield first, they would be given flying first and then end up without it.

Buried Memories 2(U/R)(U/R)
Instant (R)
An opponent puts the instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard into two piles. Put one of those piles into your hand and exile the other. Exile Buried Memories.

Quote from xbinox

yeah I worried about that a bit, but I'll love to kill our niv player who just likes to kiki jiki win with it, it'll be so funny seeing his face

It'll also be funny using this when an opponent has Dread, or when a medium sized swarm tries to take the win with Triumph of the Hordes.

My biggest problem with Cremate is that it's not committed. If you're going for instant speed surprise graveyard hate, Coffin Purge "replaces itself" with a second use of itself, and Ravenous Trap has a more powerful effect (which can also get around Ground Seal).

If you don't want good graveyard hate as much as you want a card which can effectively cycle when it's not really useful, then Cremate is a good choice, but in my experience graveyard hate is useful (and often crucial) in 90% of all games. I wouldn't cycle it because I know it would probably mean losing to a graveyard combo just a few turns later.