I apologise to everyone, but I simply cannot make the necessary commitment to this game with the real life drama I'm dealing with -- and I have no idea how fast, or slow, it's going to subside. The only fair thing to do is replace, and that's what I am going to do instead of repeatedly getting prodded and or dodging prods.
Sorry to Proph and everyone.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
Tanarin, #60: You’re right, I do know how you play. That’s exactly why I don’t like the way you said what you said.
Generic, #68: I was attacking you to gauge your reaction; your post felt similar to how you went after Zinger in Marvel 1, where you were scum. I would have expected scum!Generic to not relent like you did.
To answer your question, Tanarin because he jumped on it right out of the blue without bothering to hear any kind of response from AE.
#70, Kamikaze: I disagree that Antny was being “excessively” defensive. I don’t believe there’s a very strong way of responding to a self-aware charge that doesn’t read as defensive or, funny enough, self aware.
There is also no similarities between what I said and what Tanarin said.
Won’t be touching the AE Wagon at this point (as of AE’s reply to Tare)
Generic, #83: None.
I can’t make heads or tails of AE v. Tare — I could see arguments for it being town v. town or town v. scum. AE’s rebuttals of Tare’s case seem decent enough, but I’m not a fan of how it’s solely the basis of AE voting for him and trying to shepherd votes onto him. I’m not a fan of how Tare really isn’t replying to AE but continuing to push the case anyway. It’s just odd behaviour all around to me.
#116, Antny: Why does that post from Generic scream scum?
#117, KoolKoal: Jumpy much?
#129, KoolKoal: Why are you confident you can read Antny?
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
#6, Cantrip: No. There’s no way for us to judge the actions of the Judge as either “town” or “anti-town”, for the correct decision for the judge, regardless of alignment, is to lynch the scummiest person of the day, IMO.
#20, Generic: You’re doing that scummy thing again.
#33, Kamikaze: Speaking of terrible votes, yours is a prime example. There was nothing wrong with Eshnolat’s vote on Generic.
Why do you think Antny is being “excessively” defensive? Elaborate.
#39, Kamikaze: Explain why you’re suspicious of Eshnolat and Antny.
#45, Generic: Eshnolat.
#48, KoolKoal: /barn re: judge proposal.
#52, Taredas: I’d also like a link, if possible, to where you’re reading your theory arguments.
Am willing to support the AE wagon depending on how AE responds.
#54, Tanarin: “If I can see the logic first hand, I may be convinced to support said idea” —> This wording irks me, and doesn’t strike me as very town like. I feel like the town response would be along the lines of I’d like to see the whole discussion so we can examine it more thoroughly, but that isn’t what Tanarin said. He might be willing to support it after seeing it, with no qualification as to what would make him get on board. It’s sly sounding.
#55, KoolKoal: Why Taredas? What, specifically, about his question to AE pings your scumdar?
Vote: Tanarin
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I miscounted the votes after people were able to reorder the wagon differently WG. I didn't realize it was already done until it was too late.
I would have had us lynch Iso. Or leave someone better off the wagon than Karn. Someone who might have actually found Bolly in LyLo.
If LyLo was Bolly, Karn, and I, we win, as there is no way in hell I'd've voted for Karn, and I'm fairly confident that Karn would have voted for Bolly before me.
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Roflmao. You all should've just lynched me D1 so I wouldn't have to be this pissed that no one can read at all.
My thing is, your argument would've worked if i wasn't still learning how to play this game. Everyone treated it as if I was seasoned or knew what I was doing at all.
Apparently no one SAW that I still wanted to lynch Iso. no one. Not a single person read the multiple times "I still want to lynch Iso" "I still thoroughly believe he's scum". No one read.
BUT WHATEVER. If wanting to continue to scumhunt is a such a crime then I just won't play. Obviously you're going to say "do it after the lynch" but I fail to see why wanting to see more reactions is such a bad thing. If you can actually explain why it's fundamentally superior in a majority of situations then sure, but no one has done that yet.
That being said, I'm pissed because none of you want to claim responsibility for assuming I knew exactly what I was doing, that it's solely my fault for Iso becoming unlynchable. If any of you could read, it wouldn't have nearly as much of an impact. I can't stand it. It's not only my fault.
If I may give my own take on it: It isn't that wanting to see more reactions is a bad thing, because it isn't per se. It's that without having Iso (or anyone) being confirmed scum, it changes the dynamic. If player N is confirmed scum, that means player N will be the lynch. At that point it becomes possibly prudent to continue scum hunting before ending the day because there exist a fact in which to juxtapose others actions (or inactions as the case may be).
Iso was never confirmed scum, insofar as he was going to be the lynch Day 1, which means trying to continue scum hunt gives us nothing in which to juxtapose against. If someone interrupts the coalescing group opinion, unless the newly offered opinion (or lynchee) is either a bad choice, or the person advocating for the first opinion is really adamant, there's a very likely possibility that the interjected opinion will win out.
Using a real life example, assume you and four other friends decide you're going barhopping on a Friday night, and you want to go to three different bars out of a possible five. Those five include a gay bar, a spanish bar, a mexican bar, a martini bar, and a regional bar. Everyone is really talking about and hyping up the spanish bar (Iso), but as the group begin to coalesce around the spanish bar, someone says "well, maybe we should start with the mexican bar instead" in an attempt to further the discussion, and the end result is that after all the hype, you go the mexican bar. That scenario is analogous to what happened with the Iso lynch on Day 1. We were trending to Iso (spanish bar), then you wanted to continue the discussion, and we ended up lynching Kamikaze instead (going to the mexican bar).
Had it of been decided that you were going to the spanish bar first, you can then keep the discussion going because you have a fact in which to examine your other four choices out of. But when there is no constant, interrupting a coalescing opinion will kill it far more times than not.
So it's fair to say you're the genesis of Iso not getting lynched Day 1. I don't think it's fair to say you're the sole reason he was never lynched, because we all have a responsibility to re-examine the game each subsequent day.
I hope this makes sense; it's midnight and I'm slightly tipsy, so if this doesn't make a hill of beans worth of sense, I apologise.
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Xyre, I hope this isn't the last Experiment you run, as they're fun games. I do hope you'll run that Serial Killer one that was originally in the signup list.
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
I'm ok with posting a case if people will find value in it, but I don't have I convince you. I have leverage and that won't change regardless of whether my case sticks.
Considering a case is the only way your "terms" will be given serious consideration, I'd say there's value in it.
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Look... Asenion is right. Would anyone here want to get lynched with their top suspects not on the wagon?
I know I wouldn't.
Asenion is in a power position here and he's correct to use it as any alignment.
What we are facing now is a consequence of the experiment and we have to deal with it.
Wheat's last post is completely unfair for that reason.
I would, gladly. Know why? Because whether or not I get lynched means nothing if my death somehow helps the town win. There's zero town justification for Asenion's attitude or charade.
Furthermore, the last time I checked, this game was run by the majority, and Asenion doesn't compromise the majority himself. If Asenion wants his "terms" to be taken seriously, then he will provide a case on Karn for the majority to examine. If that same majority rejects it, then the case is settled.
The burden here is on Asenion, and no one else.
In the mean time, I maintain we should continue voting.
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Sorry to Proph and everyone.
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Generic, #68: I was attacking you to gauge your reaction; your post felt similar to how you went after Zinger in Marvel 1, where you were scum. I would have expected scum!Generic to not relent like you did.
To answer your question, Tanarin because he jumped on it right out of the blue without bothering to hear any kind of response from AE.
#70, Kamikaze: I disagree that Antny was being “excessively” defensive. I don’t believe there’s a very strong way of responding to a self-aware charge that doesn’t read as defensive or, funny enough, self aware.
There is also no similarities between what I said and what Tanarin said.
Won’t be touching the AE Wagon at this point (as of AE’s reply to Tare)
Generic, #83: None.
I can’t make heads or tails of AE v. Tare — I could see arguments for it being town v. town or town v. scum. AE’s rebuttals of Tare’s case seem decent enough, but I’m not a fan of how it’s solely the basis of AE voting for him and trying to shepherd votes onto him. I’m not a fan of how Tare really isn’t replying to AE but continuing to push the case anyway. It’s just odd behaviour all around to me.
#116, Antny: Why does that post from Generic scream scum?
#117, KoolKoal: Jumpy much?
#129, KoolKoal: Why are you confident you can read Antny?
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#20, Generic: You’re doing that scummy thing again.
Unvote
Vote: Generic
I don’t buy the self aware argument.
#31, Generic: Okay, maybe Generic isn’t doing that scummy thing. Unvote
#33, Kamikaze: Speaking of terrible votes, yours is a prime example. There was nothing wrong with Eshnolat’s vote on Generic.
Why do you think Antny is being “excessively” defensive? Elaborate.
#39, Kamikaze: Explain why you’re suspicious of Eshnolat and Antny.
#45, Generic: Eshnolat.
#48, KoolKoal: /barn re: judge proposal.
#52, Taredas: I’d also like a link, if possible, to where you’re reading your theory arguments.
Am willing to support the AE wagon depending on how AE responds.
#54, Tanarin: “If I can see the logic first hand, I may be convinced to support said idea” —> This wording irks me, and doesn’t strike me as very town like. I feel like the town response would be along the lines of I’d like to see the whole discussion so we can examine it more thoroughly, but that isn’t what Tanarin said. He might be willing to support it after seeing it, with no qualification as to what would make him get on board. It’s sly sounding.
#55, KoolKoal: Why Taredas? What, specifically, about his question to AE pings your scumdar?
Vote: Tanarin
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Damn Patriots!
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If LyLo was Bolly, Karn, and I, we win, as there is no way in hell I'd've voted for Karn, and I'm fairly confident that Karn would have voted for Bolly before me.
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If I may give my own take on it: It isn't that wanting to see more reactions is a bad thing, because it isn't per se. It's that without having Iso (or anyone) being confirmed scum, it changes the dynamic. If player N is confirmed scum, that means player N will be the lynch. At that point it becomes possibly prudent to continue scum hunting before ending the day because there exist a fact in which to juxtapose others actions (or inactions as the case may be).
Iso was never confirmed scum, insofar as he was going to be the lynch Day 1, which means trying to continue scum hunt gives us nothing in which to juxtapose against. If someone interrupts the coalescing group opinion, unless the newly offered opinion (or lynchee) is either a bad choice, or the person advocating for the first opinion is really adamant, there's a very likely possibility that the interjected opinion will win out.
Using a real life example, assume you and four other friends decide you're going barhopping on a Friday night, and you want to go to three different bars out of a possible five. Those five include a gay bar, a spanish bar, a mexican bar, a martini bar, and a regional bar. Everyone is really talking about and hyping up the spanish bar (Iso), but as the group begin to coalesce around the spanish bar, someone says "well, maybe we should start with the mexican bar instead" in an attempt to further the discussion, and the end result is that after all the hype, you go the mexican bar. That scenario is analogous to what happened with the Iso lynch on Day 1. We were trending to Iso (spanish bar), then you wanted to continue the discussion, and we ended up lynching Kamikaze instead (going to the mexican bar).
Had it of been decided that you were going to the spanish bar first, you can then keep the discussion going because you have a fact in which to examine your other four choices out of. But when there is no constant, interrupting a coalescing opinion will kill it far more times than not.
So it's fair to say you're the genesis of Iso not getting lynched Day 1. I don't think it's fair to say you're the sole reason he was never lynched, because we all have a responsibility to re-examine the game each subsequent day.
I hope this makes sense; it's midnight and I'm slightly tipsy, so if this doesn't make a hill of beans worth of sense, I apologise.
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Xyre, I hope this isn't the last Experiment you run, as they're fun games. I do hope you'll run that Serial Killer one that was originally in the signup list.
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Because Rhand is going to be a part of this wagon.
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I'm assuming modkill.
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We'll cross that bridge after we've seen your case on Karn.
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Considering a case is the only way your "terms" will be given serious consideration, I'd say there's value in it.
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I would, gladly. Know why? Because whether or not I get lynched means nothing if my death somehow helps the town win. There's zero town justification for Asenion's attitude or charade.
Furthermore, the last time I checked, this game was run by the majority, and Asenion doesn't compromise the majority himself. If Asenion wants his "terms" to be taken seriously, then he will provide a case on Karn for the majority to examine. If that same majority rejects it, then the case is settled.
The burden here is on Asenion, and no one else.
In the mean time, I maintain we should continue voting.
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