I'm of the opinion that lands in general need to dirt cheap. Lands are the number one thing stopping players from playing competitively. That and mythic.
Also, to answer an above poster, I use my entertainment budget on magic cards. The alternative is buying other games. But for no other game do I worry about getting my money back. When I buy a Xbox one, I don't worry about getting my money back, no more than a movie, a nice dinner, my tennis racquet, etc. Why would I care about magic cards when I would otherwise just be losing the money?
Uh what. If i pay $150 for goyf today, i'd like to be able to trade it in a couple of months for $150 of other cards that I can use.
I'm not a collector. Not sure why people keep bringing up that argument over and over.
OR I could pay $150 for a goyf today, they reprint it in the next core set and the price tanks to $20 and now all i can trade it for is 1 thoughtseize.
No thank you.
That position certainly makes sense, and I don't blame you for wanting your cards to hold value.
However, I look at the problem for a difference perspective. When I buy a card, I mostly don't expect to get my money back. I know that I could, and yes, I do consider the value of my cards, but by monthly budget for magic cards comes out of a sunk cost budget, not my investment budget.
Secondly, I play magic in one of the biggest cities for gaming in my region, if not the country. And I still can't play legacy very often at all. The only place that runs regular tournaments has to make them proxy. Same with Vintage. They do have one modern event that isn't proxy, but even modern, they have to allow proxies in order to get people out for most events. And no one can get a non-standard, non-draft event going on FNM.
I have more than 10K in non-standard constructed competitive decks. Do you know what I want more than I want them to stay at 10k? To get to use them. I want Modern to actually be played at FNM. I want legacy popular enough that Wizards stops this block pro tour nonsense and makes legacy take its rightful place as the patriarch of formats. If my duals and goyfs and bobs have to be worth $35 each so be it. I'll make that trade any day, because I bought these cards to use them, not for them to sit in my house doubling in value.
So I definitely like that my cards are worth more. It's good to have free money.
But I'd rather play with the expensive cards that I spent my entertainment budget on.
The problem is that that is totally subjective. I didnt enjoy last season because of all the ridiculous pushed creatures. There will never be a Standard where everyone is happy.
Of course. We have to rely on GP attendance numbers, and similar things in order to see.
I want to be honest. I dont care if my opponent has fun playing against me. It's their problem if they dont enjoy playing against such decks. I dont have much fun playing against 30+ creatures decks either but somehow those are ok for everyone.
Sure, and I have no problem with you not caring about that.
But when most of the decks aren't fun to play against, that's a problem for the format.
Dont know what your are talking about.
UW/x Control is all about making correct decisions.
Look, I'm not saying there is no decision making. There is obviously some. I'm saying that the decision making is less than it has been previously.
As to control, I don't think there is that much decision making; You kill whatever creature they play and you sphinx when you can. Sure, there is some nuance, but not as much as we've seen even last season with American control, and certainly not as much as with, say, legacy miracles.
Also, that deck is hindered by the fact that it drags out games to the point where neither player wants to live anymore, let alone keep playing the match, means that even if it were the most interesting deck in the world makes it pretty painful to be one of the top decks in the format.
I cam shocked that standard got worse that Swagtusk Jund, but it did.
Any anyone calling this meta diverse is nuts. The decks that win are the same as before. Did they change a little? Sure. But the decks themselves are basically, certainly feature the same central cards.
Now, no standard will every be terribly diverse. Standard just can't be very diverse, not at the top tier, so I don't care about diversity.
But this standard, even less than the last one, features so few interesting decisions. Aristocrats had decisions to make, for example. Relevant instants are necessary for a good format. Decks that depend on specific cards and unique interactions are necessary. But right now, every deck is just play good cards.deck, and the cards all do the same thing, so you just play them in some order, rather than needing to really figure out the right play every time.
This standard is boring, not because it hasn't changed. A 1 deck meta can be awesome if that deck is fun to play against itself. This standard is boring because the only question is what cards do the two players draw, not which card do they play.
I like Might of Alara much better than Ghor-Clan, but only in Snapcaster builds. Might of Alara on Geist is pretty damn silly. Ghor-Clan is definitely solid, but with the burn we're running, I think we want to be running snapcaster anyway, and if we are, might of alara is just better.
I'm getting so sick of people complaining about prices. They should reprint them if there is a reason besides making things cheaper (ie flavor). Who says 20 dollars is a good price? Why not make every card worth one penny? HOBBIES COST MONEY
Prices are determined by supply and demand. Legacy staples are pretty clearly under-supplied: their prices simply go up at faster than inflation, faster than other MtG prices, and the only explanation is a shortage. It isn't that we want free cards, it's that the player base would be bigger if there were a bigger supply. Make legacy as accessible as modern and it would be a much more demanded format, and Wizards makes more money.
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Cause holy God, your last paragraph defined me as a magic player, and I have to think there are more of us.
That's the red member of the cycle. I'd be a 15 dollar card barely played in standard if it were rare.
Also, to answer an above poster, I use my entertainment budget on magic cards. The alternative is buying other games. But for no other game do I worry about getting my money back. When I buy a Xbox one, I don't worry about getting my money back, no more than a movie, a nice dinner, my tennis racquet, etc. Why would I care about magic cards when I would otherwise just be losing the money?
That position certainly makes sense, and I don't blame you for wanting your cards to hold value.
However, I look at the problem for a difference perspective. When I buy a card, I mostly don't expect to get my money back. I know that I could, and yes, I do consider the value of my cards, but by monthly budget for magic cards comes out of a sunk cost budget, not my investment budget.
Secondly, I play magic in one of the biggest cities for gaming in my region, if not the country. And I still can't play legacy very often at all. The only place that runs regular tournaments has to make them proxy. Same with Vintage. They do have one modern event that isn't proxy, but even modern, they have to allow proxies in order to get people out for most events. And no one can get a non-standard, non-draft event going on FNM.
I have more than 10K in non-standard constructed competitive decks. Do you know what I want more than I want them to stay at 10k? To get to use them. I want Modern to actually be played at FNM. I want legacy popular enough that Wizards stops this block pro tour nonsense and makes legacy take its rightful place as the patriarch of formats. If my duals and goyfs and bobs have to be worth $35 each so be it. I'll make that trade any day, because I bought these cards to use them, not for them to sit in my house doubling in value.
So I definitely like that my cards are worth more. It's good to have free money.
But I'd rather play with the expensive cards that I spent my entertainment budget on.
But for know, it looks like standard is not going to change signification at all.
Of course. We have to rely on GP attendance numbers, and similar things in order to see.
Sure, and I have no problem with you not caring about that.
But when most of the decks aren't fun to play against, that's a problem for the format.
Look, I'm not saying there is no decision making. There is obviously some. I'm saying that the decision making is less than it has been previously.
As to control, I don't think there is that much decision making; You kill whatever creature they play and you sphinx when you can. Sure, there is some nuance, but not as much as we've seen even last season with American control, and certainly not as much as with, say, legacy miracles.
Also, that deck is hindered by the fact that it drags out games to the point where neither player wants to live anymore, let alone keep playing the match, means that even if it were the most interesting deck in the world makes it pretty painful to be one of the top decks in the format.
Any anyone calling this meta diverse is nuts. The decks that win are the same as before. Did they change a little? Sure. But the decks themselves are basically, certainly feature the same central cards.
Now, no standard will every be terribly diverse. Standard just can't be very diverse, not at the top tier, so I don't care about diversity.
But this standard, even less than the last one, features so few interesting decisions. Aristocrats had decisions to make, for example. Relevant instants are necessary for a good format. Decks that depend on specific cards and unique interactions are necessary. But right now, every deck is just play good cards.deck, and the cards all do the same thing, so you just play them in some order, rather than needing to really figure out the right play every time.
This standard is boring, not because it hasn't changed. A 1 deck meta can be awesome if that deck is fun to play against itself. This standard is boring because the only question is what cards do the two players draw, not which card do they play.
What are you running, first of all?
Prices are determined by supply and demand. Legacy staples are pretty clearly under-supplied: their prices simply go up at faster than inflation, faster than other MtG prices, and the only explanation is a shortage. It isn't that we want free cards, it's that the player base would be bigger if there were a bigger supply. Make legacy as accessible as modern and it would be a much more demanded format, and Wizards makes more money.