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Quote from centurion911 »

Ashen Ghoul tends to be better in Quadlazer style builds though. Usually 1 black mana is easier to get in a bad situation than 3 creatures above a Nether Shadow.

Unless I'm missing something, they both need 3 creatures above them?

Quote from Rafig »

Worldgorger wasn't exiled with his first ability thus he won't be brought back with the 2nd ability.

Quote from Cythare »

Furthermore, the source of the trigger that exiles Worldgorger Dragon is Zilirian of the Claw. The activated ability of Zilirian's that finds Worldgorger Dragon sets up the trigger to exile the Dragon later in the turn as well.

Thank you, I thought this was how it worked, but the opposite ended up happening on MTGO so I was extremely confused.

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Hi there! Interesting interaction I'd like some clarification on:

Zirilan of the Claw

, Search your library for a Dragon permanent card and put that card onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library. That Dragon gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.

I search my library and find Worldgorger Dragon.
His ability goes on the stack:

When Worldgorger Dragon enters the battlefield, exile all other permanents you control.

All my permanents, sans the Worldgorger Dragon, are exiled. I move to combat, bash my opponent for seven, then move to my end step.

Zirilan end step part triggers:

Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.

What actually originates this trigger? Is it the Worldgorger himself? If the Worldgorger is the source of the effect then:

When Worldgorger Dragon leaves the battlefield, return the exiled cards to the battlefield under their owners' control.

Does he return himself with that secondary effect?

Quote from genini1 »

Yes these are correct. The only other thing to keep in mind is that the trigger will happen whenever the next end step occurs do you can't get around it by ending the turn before the end step.

Yes! As it would occur on "Next" end step, which includes my opponent's end step!

Of course, if they also had sundial of the infinite to help me get around it...


Thanks for your reply

Hi!

I want to just verify that I'm understanding the way Zirilan of the Claw works properly:
Zirilan of the Claw

, Search your library for a Dragon permanent card and put that card onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library. That Dragon gains haste until end of turn. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.

This ability will only trigger once at the beginning of the next end step (of either player), and only if the creature is still in play (having not been removed/returned from elsewhere) correct?

For example:
Scenario 1) My end of turn, Zirilian's End Step trigger goes on the stack (Say I have Vampiric Dragon, because he has sleeves). In response, I active my Sundial of the Infinite. The turn ends, and Zirilan's ability does not trigger again for Vampiric Dragon on next end of turn, because it has already triggered the first time.

Scenario 2) My end of turn, Zirilian's End Step trigger occurs (Say I have Zodiac Dragon, because I'm made of money in this hypothetical scenario). In addition, my Conjurer's Closet trigger occurs. I choose to place Zirilan's trigger on the stack, then Conjurer's Closet trigger on the stack targeting my Zodiac Dragon. My opponent tapped out to Galvanic Blast my Zodiac Rooster so he does not respond to the trigger. Zodiac Dragon is exiled from Conjurer's Closet trigger, then returned to the battlefield. Zirilan's trigger is countered because the original target is no longer on the battlefield.

I'm understanding this correctly, aye?

Quote from Tatornatpr

So right after they play a spell of any type I can cast?

When they cast a spell, it goes on the stack.
If it's their turn, they can play something in response to their own spell, before it resolves. If they choose to not play something in response to their own spell, you get the choice of either playing a spell in response (so long as it's legal, ie an instant), using an ability in response, or passing priority and letting the spell resolve.

No, only when your opponents pass priority. The player whose turn it is has the first chance to act at each step/phase.

For example, your opponent starts their main phase. They have first priority. If they cast any spells or use any abilities, you have a chance to respond to those.

Then, when your opponent decides to pass priority, you may cast spells/use abilities before moving to the next phase. You still have a chance to act at each phase, just not first chance to act.

British guys.

Yum.

The player whose turn it is gets first priority. So in this case, he could either play giant growth, or pass (or do something else). Then if he passes, you can play something of your own, or pass. If both of you pass, the next combat phase occurs.

Also yes, you can target a creature that's already tapped with that ability.

The idea here is to just play juicy themey white/black cards. Looking for kind of flavorful corrupt-justice sort of cards.

-2?
+1 Wrath of God
+1 Damnation

Any other suggestions for cards like that? Improvements while keeping it casual?

Quote from kalterwolf

Galerider Sliver is a strictly better Winged Sliver.

But is it?

See, he was originally in the deck. But I have 19 2cmc creatures. That means the 'vial sweet spot' is definitely two. If I want to keep standstills or push them harder, then having my flyer sliver also be on two makes more sense, no?

I saw a deck somewhat similar in the past, and since the new slivers came out I was thinking about trying to do this again. I did it for a bit on modo before 2014 release and really liked it.

Here's my current list idea:


Possible ideas:
-1 Essence, Winged, Bonescythe, Crystalline Sliver; +4 Eladamri's Call. Gives us a way to pick what we need when we need it more.
Con obviously is that it's not great when we're under standstill
Could run Homing Sliver instead?

Blacksplash:
Duress
Thoughtseize
Maybe even Necrotic Sliver ?

Side board:
Meddling Mage since she's on 2 (vial sweet spot)
Harmonic Sliver as a one/two of.
Darkheart Sliver possibly to get around quick aggro?

I feel like it might need more spells/less creatures and be more of a control-lite than a standstill aggro deck.

Any thoughts?

Thanks guys! =)

Gaea's Blessing
Genesis Wave

Does Gaea's Blessing's second ability trigger if flipped by Genesis Wave? I'm fairly certain that's a negative because it's not being directly moved from library.

Printed Kukusho and Dragonstorm right after new legend rule nerfs Kukusho...

Cute