Heard of it, seen it played. Mono black is expensive though.
Those decks like to run dark confidant, lili, thought seize, phyrexian arena, inquisition, etc etc.
All are 2 figure cards that are play sets or half play sets. But damn it's good.
Monogreen is the cheapest ( although least reliable)
the mono black infect runs next to none of those cards.
no lilly
no arena
no confidant
Outside of arena, those cards do very very VERY little for infect. Thoughtseize/inquisition, yeah, those are staples, but the rest are another deck entirely.
....... Things like making Goyf Mythic in Modern Masters, really?. They should care less about the secondary market and more about getting in new players and keeping the bar low to buy a modern deck. The way it is now it will only get worse. Goyf is now almost as expensive as a Underground Sea. That's just not right. Within two years, if dark confidant doesn't get a reprint, he'll be 100 dollar too. In my opinion they should completely ignore how expensive these cards are and reprint them a lot more to provide for a format that's growing in popularity. Yes there would be some people that could get angry if Goyf dropped to 40$, but I think it would make a lot more people happy, and it would create a lot more popularity for the format.
Speculating on a card game is ridiculous and should not be stimulated in my book. It may kill the game in the end.
A) Bob did get reprinted :)and he's still stupid expensive.
B) Goyf being a mythic..... I understand the logic, but they need to change it.
The logic was this: Limited is popular. O.K., i get it, but MM should never have been about limited players "having fun", they can all go to Gehenna for all i care, this set was supposed to be about getting expensive, popular modern staples into the hands of players who didn't have either the access or the foresight to acquire and keep these cards. As is, the card prices didn't budge on the bigger ticket items such as goyf, bob, or clique, never mind not reprinting the true devils of the format: Fetches. Until they ACTUALLY learn that the future of the game is younger players, and younger players don't have the expendable income adults do, this situation is only going to go from bad to worse, with the divide between the haves and have-nots only growing wider. This only grows worse with legacy.
3cmc counters are garbage because there are far better t3 plays to be made. I'd rather clique on 3 or lilly on 3 any day of the week. And they cost too much for what they do. Snapcaster + mana leak or spell pierce or spell snare or remand are FAR superior plays and FAR more versatile than snapcaster + dissolve. You aren't protecting ANYTHING that way.
Tempo cards also generally do 2 things cheaply, such as countersquall or vapor snag, and the second effect generally furthers the decks game plan. so t1 i say island go, you play forest wild nacatl, i vapor snag at EoT, i tempo'd you out that turn. then the goal is to do that as often as possible until the tempo deck pulls so far ahead you can't recover.
I would highly suggest you guys try Dissolve. It's as close as we are going to get to a counter+draw for 3cc. They wont let us draw, but the scry is damn close.
You keep trying to shove Dissolve down people's throats, but the fact remains: Dissolve is crap
1 Scry isn't worth 1 mana, and if you are on color Counterflux actually has two much more relevant abilities.
PS: and please don't say scry is almost like drawing a card ffs. If that was remotely true, Magma Jet would be a good card and Electrolyze no.
Here's a wake up call, WOTC has decided that 3cc is the LOWEST acceptable CC for an unconditional hard counter. Of the pure blue 3cc hard counters, Dissolve is the best (in my opinion). Therefore, if you want the cheapest available hard counter in your deck, Dissolve is either the clear choice or at very least a strong candidate. Is Counterflux better? Sure, but then you have to have red so its apples to oranges. The point is, stop dismissing spells you have no experience with simply because you are wishing for a 2cc hard counter. Dissolve is not crap, it's actually the best we have.
Dissolve is GARBAGE. If dissolve/cancel/dissipate were ANY good AT ALL it would be used everywhere. It isn't. Know why? because all the relevant spells that need to be countered start happening on t2. Good luck countering goyf or bob with your dissolves.
The purported cards were probably "from the vault XXXX", which can bend differently from humidity and are noticeably different from other foils when bare, you'd have to be paying pretty close attention if sleeved.
So don't use FTVxxx unless you have to.
I don't think you are looking at blue in standard. We have no universal 2-drop counterspell, no 1-drop card that affects the board state, and a ton of decks looking to develop a board quick, with resiliency.
You need a sweeper right now.
Build a blue-white control deck without Supreme Verdict or a card that has the same effect and try it at an fnm. You will get run over by every devotion deck you run into.
On the combo comment:
If you build your deck to require certain enablers, A.K.A. a combo card, it's a combo deck. I've not seen a tribal deck in standard except maybe Humans with Innistrad, and the deck seemed very combo-y.
When you need to COMBINE the effects of two cards for either to be threatening, it is a combo.
You are about as wrong as you can be. You make sweeping assertions as if you are the only one who gets to play relevant cards. Curse of swine, aetherise rapid hybridization to name a few. And you call synergy combo, which is just flat out WRONG.
First of all, bile blight and pharikas cure are not comparable. One comes in vs hyper aggro to gain life, and the other for lot's of same kinds-ofs on the field at the same time.
It's NOT garbage, anymore than izzet staicaster was when it was needed.
Bbbbut the Dual lands come into play TAPPED! And I only get half of the fetchlands (never mind the fact that I can actually play filters, scars duals, checklands, etc. and not have to worry about losing to DELVER FLIP WASTELAND YOU FREE COUNTERSPELL YOU OUT)
The legacy fanatics around here really are becoming a parody of themselves.
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and also act as a punisher to players using too many nonbasic lands.
And why, pray tell, do people who use "too many non-basics" need to be punished? and who (i think i already know) gets to decide how many is "too many"?
Esper is a favorite here, I assure you that. The match hinges on the Esper player knowing what tools are for what job. Nuking Detention Sphere is a rather big play that Mono Black cannot make should it need to, and keeping a Packrat alive from a Wrath on the back of a Golgari Charm can be devastating. Mono Black does not have enough gas to otherwise push through well times wraths and ingeniously placed spheres, which can make Esper a problematic match.
I would question the skill level of your opponents at this point.
Those situations where Abrupt Decay and Golgari Charm shine against esper, still feel pretty few and far between to me.
Also, mtgtop8 also uses MODO information, which skews those numbers for paper representation. Just glancing at it, you are not going to get accurate readouts for paper mtg when you are looking to prepare for an event. At least not without putting effort into breaking the data down.
Your opinion sounds far too biased to be factual. I too have relatively few problems with esper, does that mean that i faced inferior opponents?
hardly.
I can appreciate defending a deck you like, but to do so in the glaring light of fact, biased opinion does little more than lend the appearance of churlishness.
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the mono black infect runs next to none of those cards.
no lilly
no arena
no confidant
Outside of arena, those cards do very very VERY little for infect. Thoughtseize/inquisition, yeah, those are staples, but the rest are another deck entirely.
A) Bob did get reprinted :)and he's still stupid expensive.
B) Goyf being a mythic..... I understand the logic, but they need to change it.
The logic was this: Limited is popular. O.K., i get it, but MM should never have been about limited players "having fun", they can all go to Gehenna for all i care, this set was supposed to be about getting expensive, popular modern staples into the hands of players who didn't have either the access or the foresight to acquire and keep these cards. As is, the card prices didn't budge on the bigger ticket items such as goyf, bob, or clique, never mind not reprinting the true devils of the format: Fetches. Until they ACTUALLY learn that the future of the game is younger players, and younger players don't have the expendable income adults do, this situation is only going to go from bad to worse, with the divide between the haves and have-nots only growing wider. This only grows worse with legacy.
My2c
Dissolve is GARBAGE. If dissolve/cancel/dissipate were ANY good AT ALL it would be used everywhere. It isn't. Know why? because all the relevant spells that need to be countered start happening on t2. Good luck countering goyf or bob with your dissolves.
So don't use FTVxxx unless you have to.
You are about as wrong as you can be. You make sweeping assertions as if you are the only one who gets to play relevant cards. Curse of swine, aetherise rapid hybridization to name a few. And you call synergy combo, which is just flat out WRONG.
Busted? lay off the hyperbole man, bad for critical thinking.
It's NOT garbage, anymore than izzet staicaster was when it was needed.
No, He's clearly trolling you.
And dang it you fed him ......
And why, pray tell, do people who use "too many non-basics" need to be punished? and who (i think i already know) gets to decide how many is "too many"?
Your opinion sounds far too biased to be factual. I too have relatively few problems with esper, does that mean that i faced inferior opponents?
hardly.
I can appreciate defending a deck you like, but to do so in the glaring light of fact, biased opinion does little more than lend the appearance of churlishness.