@Laset (Post 675): It is possible Vaimes got cursed, or scum opted to only use one kill, or scum used both shots on Vaimes. Odds are though with how many people are left in the possible priest pool that the angels more likely protected the priest just in case.
@Citric (Post 676): I still find it highly unlikely Cantrip is scum at this point. If he was, I am sure there would be more fuss right about now over the issue from either Laset or the priest. Occam's razor and all that jazz, ya know.
@Antny (Post 678/680): /Barn everything you said. Having 2 confirmed town at this point is huge, especially if there is still doubt about AE's alignment. And as you said in post 680, A LC claim is not a bad idea, and if there are two scum left, it would be really bad for scum to 1 for 1 on the priest/acolyte via LC. I guess my point is, is it really gonna hurt for LC to claim now or later at this point in the game? Any way you slice it, we can protect at least one of the two holy roles until D4, which means 1 confirmed for sure. Also as an additional advantage, Scum can't fake claim at all, as we happen to know all the dead roles ATM. After today, scum can start taking a risk of guessing which role to claim. Now may be the only time we can MC safely.
@Cantrip (Post 783): I see no problem trying to use the LC lynch to our advantage. Your plan seems pretty solid. Only weak point I see is in the very unlikely event that you are scum. With a hidden judge though, this as of now is not an issue.
Anyway, I am only looking at the following people as possible lynch people. The LC, antny, Iso, TMCT, and Citric. Everyone else reads town in my mind at this point.
If we all claim today, we are assured the priest is going to be alive until Day 4. On top of that, we go into Day 4 with MINIMUM 2 confirmed, if not more depending on targets. Now come Day 4, we can consider a Old maid lynch. This will serve a double purpose. A) If we are down to one scum, they would HAVE to double kill the priest in order to kill him, thus we know for sure where we stand going into day 5 either way. At this point I feel we are one MC away from breaking this game.
OK, just got home and will comment more a bit later, but I see no reason to no lynch here TMCT. By my math we can safely lynch today and tomorrow.
8 alive - 1 lynch = 7 left
7 alive - 1 death = 6 left D4.
Also, I think we SHOULD consider a mass claim today. Priest is still alive here and at this point is assured to live to day 4 minimum (Piercing protection is active.) Will explain more in a few.
I think we have too many large games running with people not really being out of the game when dead in Celestial and Wu Tang being in day one for this one to have a chance of filling up.
I don't mind this taking a bit of time. It might take a week or two to fill, it might end up with a larger than normal proportion of staff members playing and former/retired players coming out of retirement for this game, but it will eventually fill (I hope).
Well, everyone loves the unintentional bastardism that ALWAYS happens in your games. Adds a bit of excitement IMO.
@Cantrip: I dunno if there is anything else to be said at this point. I mean I guess I would like Iso to ring in on all this, but at this point I don't think it really matters. AE's refusal to do anything at this point is screaming caught scum to me.
@TMCT: Why wouldn't scum make a hunch kill last night? I mean it was night 1 and scum would not have an inquisitor result to even play with. I don't see why you would use it to rule out an inquisitor as a scum role based off a night one kill that could only be a hunch kill.
At this point I am against a Cantrip lynch, judge or otherwise. I'm not seeing his claim post being one that comes out of scum, as I have explained earlier. Not only would it be a waste of a kill on scum's part, if he was indeed scum, there would be literally no reason to out the judge or otherwise force a judge lynch, as one has to assume scum has to be holy hunting still.
I'm all for AE to be lynched here today though. He has been basically floating all game for no apparent reason. He also has not committed to anything more than a taredas lynch all game it seems like. He also has been using any excuse to not contribute any new input to the game (See Post #222, 226, 238, and 275 on day 1 for a prime example.)
Like ... imagine we had an explicit priestclaim that said "yes, I checked Cantrip as scum" and I backed them up. Would you /really/ not lynch him then?
Because that's basically where we're at.
Well, seems like you are asking a question that has an obvious answer. Of course I would want Cantrip to hang, but via a Judge (Since he has an extra life and that is our only real choice.)
Again though, re-read what he is saying. He says he was a prime target for having Shenanigans on him, not that he KNOWS he was inspected as scum. Show me where he says this, because I am not seeing it. Break the line down like I am a 5 year old if you have to.
Also forgot you were in Generic's place. So scratch the CC comment.
Again though, why wouldn't he just ya know... not say he was inspected? If he was scum, that means scum are basically back to full strength. Even taking into account that the Judge is unknown, and town is unlikely to just let the Judge lynch him without heavy convincing, it would still be a 2 for 1 in favor of the scum to keep quiet about his extra life. Cantrip I know would be smart enough to realize this as scum, so him confessing he was inspected seems odd. Also pending the answer to the question I am about to ask the mod, I can see another reason his actions may not be scummy.
@Mod: Question, if the fanatic is checked, is he just told he is checked, or is he notified of who did it as well.
Now that I look back as well: How did we get to us thinking Cantrip said he KNEW he was a shenanigans target? The way I read his claim, I took it to mean he only knew he was a PRIME target for it, not that he was the target.
I ... don't actually want to clarify why I see it as a scumclaim. Hm.
Anyway, I'd be happy with judgeclaim->judgelynch Cantrip, or just regular-lynch AE.
unless the claiming judge is AE, I guess.
Why exactly is his fanatic claim a scum claim? If you are gonna counterclaim him, now is the time to do so. I mean this is what Iso was talking about (As much as it was a no duh comment.) Also why does it matter if AE claims judge. As I said befoe it creates accountability. If he refuses to lynch Cantrip, we lynch AE tomorrow )Or today if he refuses early enough,) then get back to Cantrip.
But do we want to trust the Judge to do what we ask him to do (Lynch Cantrip?) I mean I guess if we want to go this route, then maybe a Judge claim is in order for accountability. I for sure would not want an unknown judge being trusted for lynching Cantrip (Not that I am a particular fan of letting the judge do the lynch in the first place, but it may be our only choice.)
FYI he's survivalist or gambler if it's not obvious
Just bringing this quote up again as now I am even more suspicious of Citrus in light of the cantrip claim.
A)As Iso and I have asked and you ignored, what does the fact of stating he is a gambler or survivalist have to do with the vote (As again, you are heavily implying that his role is related to his alignment.)
B) Why did you not even mention fanatic? (Which was a possibility at the time, despite being a longshot.)
@AE: I am not sold on this whole theory that Tare and KK were basically bussing each other right off the bat. If this was a full reveal game, maybe, but it being NO reveal means we could be in LYLO at the beginning of any day and not even know it. That in and of itself is a pretty big advantage I don't see scum wanting to waste by pulling off a double bus.
Actually, can I get some sort of T/S list from you in the next post or two? I have no idea where you stand outside of the Tare being scum thing, and would really like to know what is going on in that mind of yours.
Aside: concur with Laset, quotes are getting too broken. At least make it easy to follow along for those who have not commented on what has been said.
@Citrus: You have yet to explain why talking about a clearly outted role is scummy, especially given one of the people who was talking about said role is the person who outted himself. Why do you seem so keen on dodging this and other variant of the question?
@Laset (Post 675): It is possible Vaimes got cursed, or scum opted to only use one kill, or scum used both shots on Vaimes. Odds are though with how many people are left in the possible priest pool that the angels more likely protected the priest just in case.
@Citric (Post 676): I still find it highly unlikely Cantrip is scum at this point. If he was, I am sure there would be more fuss right about now over the issue from either Laset or the priest. Occam's razor and all that jazz, ya know.
@Antny (Post 678/680): /Barn everything you said. Having 2 confirmed town at this point is huge, especially if there is still doubt about AE's alignment. And as you said in post 680, A LC claim is not a bad idea, and if there are two scum left, it would be really bad for scum to 1 for 1 on the priest/acolyte via LC. I guess my point is, is it really gonna hurt for LC to claim now or later at this point in the game? Any way you slice it, we can protect at least one of the two holy roles until D4, which means 1 confirmed for sure. Also as an additional advantage, Scum can't fake claim at all, as we happen to know all the dead roles ATM. After today, scum can start taking a risk of guessing which role to claim. Now may be the only time we can MC safely.
@Cantrip (Post 783): I see no problem trying to use the LC lynch to our advantage. Your plan seems pretty solid. Only weak point I see is in the very unlikely event that you are scum. With a hidden judge though, this as of now is not an issue.
Anyway, I am only looking at the following people as possible lynch people. The LC, antny, Iso, TMCT, and Citric. Everyone else reads town in my mind at this point.
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If we all claim today, we are assured the priest is going to be alive until Day 4. On top of that, we go into Day 4 with MINIMUM 2 confirmed, if not more depending on targets. Now come Day 4, we can consider a Old maid lynch. This will serve a double purpose. A) If we are down to one scum, they would HAVE to double kill the priest in order to kill him, thus we know for sure where we stand going into day 5 either way. At this point I feel we are one MC away from breaking this game.
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8 alive - 1 lynch = 7 left
7 alive - 1 death = 6 left D4.
Also, I think we SHOULD consider a mass claim today. Priest is still alive here and at this point is assured to live to day 4 minimum (Piercing protection is active.) Will explain more in a few.
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Oh crap you were. Well then, this should be fun.
Also as an aside, calling it now I am getting Spot this game. Just watch.
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Well, everyone loves the unintentional bastardism that ALWAYS happens in your games. Adds a bit of excitement IMO.
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Really not much else for me to say from my end at this point. If there are any open questions for me I'll certainly take them.
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At this point I am against a Cantrip lynch, judge or otherwise. I'm not seeing his claim post being one that comes out of scum, as I have explained earlier. Not only would it be a waste of a kill on scum's part, if he was indeed scum, there would be literally no reason to out the judge or otherwise force a judge lynch, as one has to assume scum has to be holy hunting still.
I'm all for AE to be lynched here today though. He has been basically floating all game for no apparent reason. He also has not committed to anything more than a taredas lynch all game it seems like. He also has been using any excuse to not contribute any new input to the game (See Post #222, 226, 238, and 275 on day 1 for a prime example.)
Vote AE
Now he is at L-2 people, fair warning.
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Well, seems like you are asking a question that has an obvious answer. Of course I would want Cantrip to hang, but via a Judge (Since he has an extra life and that is our only real choice.)
Again though, re-read what he is saying. He says he was a prime target for having Shenanigans on him, not that he KNOWS he was inspected as scum. Show me where he says this, because I am not seeing it. Break the line down like I am a 5 year old if you have to.
Also forgot you were in Generic's place. So scratch the CC comment.
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@Mod: Question, if the fanatic is checked, is he just told he is checked, or is he notified of who did it as well.
Now that I look back as well: How did we get to us thinking Cantrip said he KNEW he was a shenanigans target? The way I read his claim, I took it to mean he only knew he was a PRIME target for it, not that he was the target.
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Why exactly is his fanatic claim a scum claim? If you are gonna counterclaim him, now is the time to do so. I mean this is what Iso was talking about (As much as it was a no duh comment.) Also why does it matter if AE claims judge. As I said befoe it creates accountability. If he refuses to lynch Cantrip, we lynch AE tomorrow )Or today if he refuses early enough,) then get back to Cantrip.
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Just bringing this quote up again as now I am even more suspicious of Citrus in light of the cantrip claim.
A)As Iso and I have asked and you ignored, what does the fact of stating he is a gambler or survivalist have to do with the vote (As again, you are heavily implying that his role is related to his alignment.)
B) Why did you not even mention fanatic? (Which was a possibility at the time, despite being a longshot.)
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Actually, can I get some sort of T/S list from you in the next post or two? I have no idea where you stand outside of the Tare being scum thing, and would really like to know what is going on in that mind of yours.
Aside: concur with Laset, quotes are getting too broken. At least make it easy to follow along for those who have not commented on what has been said.
@Citrus: You have yet to explain why talking about a clearly outted role is scummy, especially given one of the people who was talking about said role is the person who outted himself. Why do you seem so keen on dodging this and other variant of the question?
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/In (If only to piss off Q-mod in RVS, because that is the best part of STMU games.)
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