I have had to put in 4 or 5 in the past week from the client crashing and then taking 10 minutes to log back in (after telling me that I am already logged on or sitting forever asking me to be patient)
They escalated the last one and sent me an email saying that there is no issues on their end and it must be my computer and/or internet connection. They did reimburse, but I suspect they will ignore any further issues, so I might need to hold off playing for a bit, lol.
So anyone else who is getting this bug (the extreme time to log on), I'm sorry, I will look into what on my PC/internet is causing this issue for everyone
Nobody said that we have a right for decent promos. But just like paper tournament, events with a low value payout are just less attractive. What's wrong with giving feedback for things we don't like that? Unlike most of the problems of V4, that one can easily be fixed. Players have an incentive to play more and format staples become more accessible, making it easier for new players to join.
There's plenty of V4 problems that can be easily fixed, yet just... aren't... For example, the bug that it shows the wrong player as the winner of the game, and the right player as the winner of the match. Been around forever. As simple as fixing the name variable. Goes unfixed. It doesn't matter how easy something is to fix - chances are, they're just going to keep doing whatever the hell it is that they're doing and not actually fix things.
And the new tournament status screen, I honestly don't know if its better or not, I still can't work out what the hell is happening most of the time, lol.
Even in an 8 player draft I have difficulty telling where the round is up to.
I'm pretty sure that the new leagues will have worse payouts than DEs, and they will justify it by saying you're paying a convenience tax to play whenever you want in leagues.
Where can we find more information on these Leagues? Link? Article?
In an ideal world, this isn't a bad idea. Some of us have trouble scheduling 4 consecutive, uninterrupted hours in order to play competitive MTGO. Of course, MTGO is far from "an ideal world" in virtually every respect right now... I'm just saying I don't want to be so quick to bash something that on its face sounds OK.
If anything, "Daily events" should be changed to the structure people have talked about for Leagues, rolling tournaments where you play 4 rounds and are booted with prizes. That way you could play a daily in as short as you want (finish a round, jump back into the queue for round 2 without having to wait) or over a couple of days.
Leagues should be something else entirely.
There hasn't been alot of information on Leagues, other than that they are coming soon!!!!! But I am fairly certain they are going to be X matches and kick with prizes type events and not the ones we had in the past.
wow it's been almost two months now already since v3s shutdown.
It seems they are "wasting" their time on leagus now instead of fixing the client. After all another mode to play on a *****ty client is better than playing the given modes on a fixed client, right?
At this point i just hope that leagues crash and burn spectaculary, on top of probably not meeting what players expect them to be, so that at least all the defending from the community stops. In an ideal scenario it could even lead to more but after all this time i doubt that v4 will become an at least decent program at any point.
At this point, I am almost certain that 'leagues' are going to be daily events where you can play the games over a longer period of time. Play X matches, get prizes based on your record and you're out of the league. Which I think will dissapoint alot of people who have been waiting for leagues.
I'm not sure if I have successfully ended a tournament in the past couple of weeks without some kind of issue, whether it be disconnect during the draft portion and the program not letting me log back in for over 10 minutes, or decks not submitting or ending up with no sideboard between games.
On the bright side, they have been granting reimbursements, so that's something right? Sorry we wasted your time, have some tickets back.
Not exactly the most popular format anywhere is it?
Regardless, MTGO was one place where they had the opportunity to give the format a real place to exist, I don't know what the turnouts were for the qualifiers, but they can't have been that great with the number that failed to fire and with only 49 people being qualified at the end.
Not sure what that says exactly or if its around what they were expecting, I know Tom Martell complained about joining 6 pre-lims and none of them firing and others have complained about various crashes stopping them from completing the pre-lims.
So this is a side issue, but basically relates to the topic of this thread. And seriously, I don't get it. Someone please answer it for me.
Why have card prices been steadily going UP on Standard and Modern staples when far less people are playing V4??!?!
There may be an exception to this statement, but overall its true.
Conspiracy theory: I have nothing to back it up with, its just an idea - what if WOTC is paying all of the big-time MTGO retailers to keep prices steady to present the impression that nothing is wrong with V4 ?
Because the amount of people playing has not dropped as much as the noise in the net makes it look like.
The fact is, people who complain are always far more noisy than people who don't. For every complainer you have probably 99 people who just keep playing on.
It could also be that the number of people playing limited and constructed has each dropped by a similar amount so the supply and demand has stayed about the same.
Sometimes I swear they intentionally get things wrong so that when they change it, people will applaud them for listening and reacting.
- Graveyard issues, who thought this was an unimportant feature? Who needs to be able to easily look through graveyards ever. Same goes for the exiled zone, tiny little zones you have to scroll through.
- Nearly any event change announcement ever, remove 4 pack sealed, people get upset, return it with a higher entry fee, people rejoice. This has been happening for years, they make some boneheaded decision, then reverse it with something still worse that what we started with and people praise them for it. I expect vintage/legacy payout changes to fall in this category at some point.
- Various other changes to the new client that should have been obvious to anyone with a brain earlier. There have been heaps but the one that always stood out for me is when they changed the size of the borders on everything, who remembers those? They announced the change like it was some huge win and they were doing it because of our feedback, but I honestly wondered who thought it was a good idea in the first place?
Hell, they just removed the ability to have custom deck categories and lumped limited decks into freeform. Why? I don't get how removing our options is some kind of improvement. Having the limited decks category made it easy to find draft decks, it would have just been nice to have them named a bit better.
What was the actual issue with extended? Was it the lack of support, the format itself or was it just that during the end of its life, there were too many oppressive standard decks being ported to extended that bogged down the metagame?
well before oficially killing it they reduced the card pool ( Extended was like a 3 year standard ( Lorwyn - Alara - Zendikar)(Alara - Zendikar - Scars)) ( before when Ravnica was in onslaught was legal ( if i m not wrong)).
the formart itself had losed its popularity before they started to kill it ...
I miss old old extended, back when it was like Invasion Block to Mirrodin Block. I never really understood why they didn't do more to support some kind of format after standard where you could still use your cards, Modern is pretty much to a point now where very little in current sets actually has any bearing on it, when Theros block rotates out, you might as well shred your cards, at least RTR block had some useful stuff in it.
What was the actual issue with extended? Was it the lack of support, the format itself or was it just that during the end of its life, there were too many oppressive standard decks being ported to extended that bogged down the metagame?
I spoke with Forsythe at the PT. While block isn't dead per se (unlike Extended), it is not going to receive further competitive/professional level support.
It's functionally just going to be a MODO format and nothing else.
Move it to the MODO forum then next to Pauper?
It'll be interesting to see how horrible it ends up if they don't actually properly support it, 'block' could end up being a mess with one or two viable decks, especially now that there will no longer be pro teams spending time to investigate the format properly.
As a mainly limited player, I used to use the binder to filter by rarity, then look through set by set to see if I could find some stuff to look up the price of it to sell.
With the current collection screen, its just an absolute mess, even if I filter down by set, and then try to sort by colour (shows in WUBRG order, but seems to be randomly sorted within colours) or Set and Collector number (I have no clue what this order is meant to be, seems to be random pockets of colours in no real obvious order) I get no real useful information. Plus, it shows cards as the highest rarity they have ever been printed in, not the rarity of the ones you have (so anything that has ever been in a FTV is Mythic, anything that has ever had a promo version is 'Special' rarity).
It just doesn't suit my needs in the slightest, for the most part the rest sorta works (other than the tournament screen showing how the current round is going) and I have gotten used to the game play side. The collection management and trading are just awful. Unfortunately, that really is a bug part of a limited players time unless they just want to throw their wallet at the program, maybe that's what they are aiming for, make it too hard to sell cards for tix to draft more and just hope you give up and buy more from the store, lol. I really wish I was joking here, but it just feels like its part of the program that they will promise big things of (leagues) but never put it up on the priority list because it doesn't make them (enough) money directly.
FYI, it's bad for players in the US too. I have multiple major stores in my area, one of which will almost certainly get a regional PTQ, but most people aren't that lucky. Also, as AdamM said, transportation is prohibitively expensive here too, though we do get 16 regional PTQs, which helps.
Keep in mind those 16 Regional PTQs are including Canada, how many are Canada likely to get? 2 or 3?
In my opinion, the problem with this change is that it just doesn't work for everywhere, and even in the places it does mostly work, it still fairly iffy. Its really going to depend on how close you are to the Regional PTQ, which is likely to affect attendance in some areas. If it turns out that you need to book flights in order to get to the regional PTQ, at short notice, is it even worth trying to qualify?
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They escalated the last one and sent me an email saying that there is no issues on their end and it must be my computer and/or internet connection. They did reimburse, but I suspect they will ignore any further issues, so I might need to hold off playing for a bit, lol.
So anyone else who is getting this bug (the extreme time to log on), I'm sorry, I will look into what on my PC/internet is causing this issue for everyone
And the new tournament status screen, I honestly don't know if its better or not, I still can't work out what the hell is happening most of the time, lol.
Even in an 8 player draft I have difficulty telling where the round is up to.
If anything, "Daily events" should be changed to the structure people have talked about for Leagues, rolling tournaments where you play 4 rounds and are booted with prizes. That way you could play a daily in as short as you want (finish a round, jump back into the queue for round 2 without having to wait) or over a couple of days.
Leagues should be something else entirely.
There hasn't been alot of information on Leagues, other than that they are coming soon!!!!! But I am fairly certain they are going to be X matches and kick with prizes type events and not the ones we had in the past.
At this point, I am almost certain that 'leagues' are going to be daily events where you can play the games over a longer period of time. Play X matches, get prizes based on your record and you're out of the league. Which I think will dissapoint alot of people who have been waiting for leagues.
On the bright side, they have been granting reimbursements, so that's something right? Sorry we wasted your time, have some tickets back.
Regardless, MTGO was one place where they had the opportunity to give the format a real place to exist, I don't know what the turnouts were for the qualifiers, but they can't have been that great with the number that failed to fire and with only 49 people being qualified at the end.
Not sure what that says exactly or if its around what they were expecting, I know Tom Martell complained about joining 6 pre-lims and none of them firing and others have complained about various crashes stopping them from completing the pre-lims.
It could also be that the number of people playing limited and constructed has each dropped by a similar amount so the supply and demand has stayed about the same.
- Graveyard issues, who thought this was an unimportant feature? Who needs to be able to easily look through graveyards ever. Same goes for the exiled zone, tiny little zones you have to scroll through.
- Nearly any event change announcement ever, remove 4 pack sealed, people get upset, return it with a higher entry fee, people rejoice. This has been happening for years, they make some boneheaded decision, then reverse it with something still worse that what we started with and people praise them for it. I expect vintage/legacy payout changes to fall in this category at some point.
- Various other changes to the new client that should have been obvious to anyone with a brain earlier. There have been heaps but the one that always stood out for me is when they changed the size of the borders on everything, who remembers those? They announced the change like it was some huge win and they were doing it because of our feedback, but I honestly wondered who thought it was a good idea in the first place?
Hell, they just removed the ability to have custom deck categories and lumped limited decks into freeform. Why? I don't get how removing our options is some kind of improvement. Having the limited decks category made it easy to find draft decks, it would have just been nice to have them named a bit better.
Unless you saw the announcement on Twitter or happened to look at the page on that day, its going to be a pain to find.
I just went to look to give you an idea where to look, lol, that was really painful, after a couple of links after links after links I found: http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/content/magic-online-championship-series
That should have what you need, the prelims and finals dates.
I miss old old extended, back when it was like Invasion Block to Mirrodin Block. I never really understood why they didn't do more to support some kind of format after standard where you could still use your cards, Modern is pretty much to a point now where very little in current sets actually has any bearing on it, when Theros block rotates out, you might as well shred your cards, at least RTR block had some useful stuff in it.
It'll be interesting to see how horrible it ends up if they don't actually properly support it, 'block' could end up being a mess with one or two viable decks, especially now that there will no longer be pro teams spending time to investigate the format properly.
With the current collection screen, its just an absolute mess, even if I filter down by set, and then try to sort by colour (shows in WUBRG order, but seems to be randomly sorted within colours) or Set and Collector number (I have no clue what this order is meant to be, seems to be random pockets of colours in no real obvious order) I get no real useful information. Plus, it shows cards as the highest rarity they have ever been printed in, not the rarity of the ones you have (so anything that has ever been in a FTV is Mythic, anything that has ever had a promo version is 'Special' rarity).
It just doesn't suit my needs in the slightest, for the most part the rest sorta works (other than the tournament screen showing how the current round is going) and I have gotten used to the game play side. The collection management and trading are just awful. Unfortunately, that really is a bug part of a limited players time unless they just want to throw their wallet at the program, maybe that's what they are aiming for, make it too hard to sell cards for tix to draft more and just hope you give up and buy more from the store, lol. I really wish I was joking here, but it just feels like its part of the program that they will promise big things of (leagues) but never put it up on the priority list because it doesn't make them (enough) money directly.
Keep in mind those 16 Regional PTQs are including Canada, how many are Canada likely to get? 2 or 3?
In my opinion, the problem with this change is that it just doesn't work for everywhere, and even in the places it does mostly work, it still fairly iffy. Its really going to depend on how close you are to the Regional PTQ, which is likely to affect attendance in some areas. If it turns out that you need to book flights in order to get to the regional PTQ, at short notice, is it even worth trying to qualify?