my opponents see im using control game 1, then i throw in 4 cyclops and 2 dodges. All i need is a cyclops a dodge and a boros charm and its game if i save a negate to protect my cyclops.
i have pulled this off 3 times in game 2 on turn 4 for 10 unblockable double strike.
it usually comes in before thragtusk a opposing revelations can go off.
I like to have a more reactive sideboard with cards to beat the big decks I expect to see, but if you wanted to transform the deck out of the side, I'd try to transform it to URW Geist Midrange, not a combo deck that requires 3 cards to win, and relies on them having no removal or prevention or counter. Doesn't seem super likely or consistent and from the perspective of a big tournament, its definitely not going to get you more than a few rounds before someone stops it or you miss a piece.
Alright all of you on the spelling troll calm down. The post says advice needed so how 'bout we give it to him?
Now, I play U/W/R control because I feel like a control deck without access to powerful sweepers like Supreme Verdict and Terminus can't hold back the aggro decks standard has right now. However, I have taken quite a few stabs at grixis control and this has been for two reasons:
1. I want to have access to a resilient win con in the form on Nephalia Drownyard.
2. I want to play big daddy Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker.
So when I go about building grixis control I go big, packing pure counter and removal backed with the full 4 snapcasters, some forbidden alchemy and think twice and another good win con named Aetherling. This allows me to stay alive long enough to land myself Nicol or Aetherling with the 26 lands I will never play less than. Maybe Nicol should just be a second aetherling, but he's so much fun.
P.S. I also hate not having sphinx's revelation on grixis. But make do with what grixis can and may control live on!
Mortars is really good at killing loxodon smiter and can wipe the board. And people dont expect resto in the control build so game 1 they wont play around it then as a singleton theres a real big chance they wont see it game one meaning they still wont play around it.
Jace/Tamiyo/Renounce The Guilds is really all to say for this matchup. I drew the right cards and got to Pillar every blood artist.
Round 2
Bug Control Walkers
I feel as this is one of the easiest matchups for this deck, he tapped out a lot for Thragtusks/Lilly/JaceMemory which lead to a Warleader's Helix EoT into a turn 5 Thundermaw/Tamiyo/Jace Memory or Clone on Thragtusk.
Game 1 went a little long I was down to 7 cards before I got to him with Aetherling.
Game 2 he tapped out for a thrag on his turn 4, I had tamiyo and dropped her on 5 to tap thrag. Then consecutively cloned the Thrag, burned the thrag then board wiped after he killed my Thundermaw. Winded up taking it home with 2 Aetherlings on board
Game 3
B/G Midrange Rock.
Game 1 I was on the draw kept a 3 land hand and didn't draw a land for 6 turns, whatever dumb luck.
Game 2 I had a plethora of counterspells or Warleader's Helix for Lilly. Winded up taking it down with a Thundermaw and Aurelia combo. Turn // Burned most of the Thrags that came down.
Game 3 he stumbled a bit on land, I got to put a tamiyo out and tap his only green source. Got a Tamiyo Emblem Sphinx for 7 like 3 times and overwhelmed with Aetherling/Aurelia.
This deck seems really cool. Have you had much testing against control decks? Although it seems like it'd be great against even just moderately creature heavy decks, I don't see this doing so well against control decks.
Lemme know if this isn't the case, if it is, how do you plan to deal with that?
board out fight bear and try to go aggro is what i do.
What he said ^. But also if you are unsure which list to build off the primer, as far as the control version not midrange, I've actually pretty much stolen RavenJason's list above when he posted it a while ago. Its really really good and has been amazing for me.
i would strongly suggest investing in dual lands. Also Jace architect of thought is a better mainboard card than memory adept. And you really need some supreme verdict if you want to hold on against aggro. I dont know what youre budget is but this is an expensive deck with sphinxs revelation, snapcasters dual lands and all that...
I like to have a more reactive sideboard with cards to beat the big decks I expect to see, but if you wanted to transform the deck out of the side, I'd try to transform it to URW Geist Midrange, not a combo deck that requires 3 cards to win, and relies on them having no removal or prevention or counter. Doesn't seem super likely or consistent and from the perspective of a big tournament, its definitely not going to get you more than a few rounds before someone stops it or you miss a piece.
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Now, I play U/W/R control because I feel like a control deck without access to powerful sweepers like Supreme Verdict and Terminus can't hold back the aggro decks standard has right now. However, I have taken quite a few stabs at grixis control and this has been for two reasons:
1. I want to have access to a resilient win con in the form on Nephalia Drownyard.
2. I want to play big daddy Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker.
So when I go about building grixis control I go big, packing pure counter and removal backed with the full 4 snapcasters, some forbidden alchemy and think twice and another good win con named Aetherling. This allows me to stay alive long enough to land myself Nicol or Aetherling with the 26 lands I will never play less than. Maybe Nicol should just be a second aetherling, but he's so much fun.
P.S. I also hate not having sphinx's revelation on grixis. But make do with what grixis can and may control live on!
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So true make sure you have some clone in your side
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Congrats and good luck at the gold event!!
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board out fight bear and try to go aggro is what i do.
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Chandra is sooo much fun. Not super competitive maybe but ive had some fun testing her and i really like playing with her shes just too slow.
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Jace MA comes in against control, with removing coming out also dispel goes in
Graveyard hate against reanimator, as well as exile counterspells, and i take out light removal for those.
I like my main against aggro because thats what i have it tuned to beat. But geist can come in here as well as against midrange
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