EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
What kills me is that the cards people complain about the most for being "Vintage-lite" aren't even universally good in Vintage. Mana Vault? That gets played in like one deck. Mana Crypt will straight up kill you if you're not playing Goblin Welder or a Storm deck. Sol Ring is useless in the more creature-dominant strategies excluding Eldrazi.
If you want to talk about a unique experience, what other format is there where you can jam Sol Ring next to a bunch of big dumb dragons? There isn't one. This is the format for Sol Ring. This is the format for Mana Crypt. We're not playing for balance, we're playing for epic board states. If you don't want variance to rule your game, don't play the format with 99 restricted cards.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
I think the overall suggestion was that regardless of how many updates you do, since your quarterly updates are synced with WotC's quarterly updates, why not coordinate with them so they can cross-post the changes on their site along with all the other formats and link back to the official announcement on your forum?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
Reddit has been sucking that card's for a while now. The tryhard EDH community apparently just realized it can make infinite mana in a couple of different ways.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
Yeah, cryogen got it right. Again, this was a thought experiment, not a plan or even foreshadowing. There is no current plan to bring back BaaC or institute major changes to our Banned List.
I didn't think there was any intention behind the thought excercise, I was just trying to get clarity on what you were saying. Thanks cryogen/Sheldon.
Personally, I'd be a fan of the BaaC list returning and going back to how it was before the list was removed - I think all the legendaries that are banned right now would not be major issues as one of the 99 in a given deck. It was the repeated access to the card as a commander that made them cross over that threshold of being troublemakers.
Well... Griselbrand and Emrakul should stay banned for sure. Probably Erayo too.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
It always amuses me that these concern trolls assume the RC is made up of some group of random people rather than WotC employees and high-level judges.
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EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
This deck is like a jigsaw puzzle: Lots of individual pieces that come together to form a larger whole. Your commander is a combo piece in itself, but the deck doesn't need it to win.
The most common route to victory is to make infinite mana through various means (and there are several ways to do this), draw your library with Thrasios, Triton Hero and ride an arbitrarily large Walking Ballista to victory.
Various tutors in the deck find the pieces for you. Planar Bridge provides a win basically by itself if it comes back around to you untouched. Just grab Seedborn Muse first and go nuts.
One of the best things about this deck is that it always has something to do with its mana. If you find yourself stalling, you can just sink everything into Thrasios and dig for combo pieces or just ramp up your mana to dig even more later.
Some of your combo pieces serve double duty. Equilibrium can be an amazing control tool by bouncing opposing creatures every time you cast your own. Intruder Alarm can be a pseudo-Seedborn Muse against creature-heavy decks and can discourage your opponents from dumping too many tokens on the board by generating massive amounts of mana with your dorks when they overcommit (and of course Thrasios will take advantage of as much mana as you can make).
You can still win if your combos somehow all get removed. In those situations where the game goes long, you are basically playing like a typical Simic value deck. It might be a grindfest, but it's not a lost cause. You've still got a value engine in Thrasios, and your flying critters can whittle your opponents' life totals down while your control suite plays point guard. Hopefully you don't find yourself in this situation, but if you do, just remember you're still in the game!
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
Fakes are a real concern. You're less likely to get them in played condition, but it happens occasionally. Mostly those will be real cards that have had the printing stripped off with acetone and then had a new card printed onto them. Not a terribly common occurrence, like I said, but it is a possibility.
The best option is to buy them at a GP where you can physically inspect them and there are multiple sellers all competing with each other for customers. It's super easy to haggle down to a great price, and if they won't haggle with you, there's going to be someone else who will.
If you want to buy online, I recommend reputable sellers like channelfireball.com, SCG, or coolstuffinc.com (I especially like the latter because they have a customer rewards program that gives you discounts for buying from them regularly). You may pay a little more, but you know exactly what you're going to get, and you're going to get it fast. I'd avoid TCG and eBay due to the near-anonymous nature of the sellers there. Yeah you have consumer protections and you will get your money back if you get a fake, but it's a hassle and it's super time-consuming.
EDH/Commander is a social format, right? So why don't people use their social skills to discuss what they like and don't like, instead of adopting a list with 60+ banned cards?
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The Japanese decks were overprinted and have been continuously available at Wal-Mart in the US more consistently than the English ones.
If you want to talk about a unique experience, what other format is there where you can jam Sol Ring next to a bunch of big dumb dragons? There isn't one. This is the format for Sol Ring. This is the format for Mana Crypt. We're not playing for balance, we're playing for epic board states. If you don't want variance to rule your game, don't play the format with 99 restricted cards.
Well... Griselbrand and Emrakul should stay banned for sure. Probably Erayo too.
I'm skeptical of this one. There are tons of these still available for $8.
This deck is like a jigsaw puzzle: Lots of individual pieces that come together to form a larger whole. Your commander is a combo piece in itself, but the deck doesn't need it to win.
The most common route to victory is to make infinite mana through various means (and there are several ways to do this), draw your library with Thrasios, Triton Hero and ride an arbitrarily large Walking Ballista to victory.
Alternately you can build a Paradox Engine and use Isochron Scepter to exile everyone's library with Reality Shift.
Or you can repeatedly bounce and recast Thought-Knot Seer at instant speed to make your opponents draw their libraries out.
The mana combos:
Various tutors in the deck find the pieces for you. Planar Bridge provides a win basically by itself if it comes back around to you untouched. Just grab Seedborn Muse first and go nuts.
One of the best things about this deck is that it always has something to do with its mana. If you find yourself stalling, you can just sink everything into Thrasios and dig for combo pieces or just ramp up your mana to dig even more later.
Some of your combo pieces serve double duty. Equilibrium can be an amazing control tool by bouncing opposing creatures every time you cast your own. Intruder Alarm can be a pseudo-Seedborn Muse against creature-heavy decks and can discourage your opponents from dumping too many tokens on the board by generating massive amounts of mana with your dorks when they overcommit (and of course Thrasios will take advantage of as much mana as you can make).
You can still win if your combos somehow all get removed. In those situations where the game goes long, you are basically playing like a typical Simic value deck. It might be a grindfest, but it's not a lost cause. You've still got a value engine in Thrasios, and your flying critters can whittle your opponents' life totals down while your control suite plays point guard. Hopefully you don't find yourself in this situation, but if you do, just remember you're still in the game!
Enjoy!
1x Thrasios, Triton Hero
Creatures
1x Arbor Elf
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Bloom Tender
1x Boreal Druid
1x Coiling Oracle
1x Consecrated Sphinx
1x Deadeye Navigator
1x Elvish Mystic
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x Joraga Treespeaker
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Man-o'-War
1x Mulldrifter
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Palinchron
1x Peregrine Drake
1x Priest of Titania
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Seedborn Muse
1x Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
1x Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1x Temur Sabertooth
1x Thought-Knot Seer
1x Trinket Mage
1x Walking Ballista
Enchantments
1x Earthcraft
1x Equilibrium
1x Intruder Alarm
1x Mystic Remora
1x Rhystic Study
1x Song of the Dryads
1x Sylvan Library
1x Beast Within
1x Brainstorm
1x Chord of Calling
1x Counterspell
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Delay
1x Dispel
1x Force of Will
1x Mana Drain
1x Muddle the Mixture
1x Mystical Tutor
1x Nature's Claim
1x Negate
1x Pongify
1x Rapid Hybridization
1x Reality Shift
1x Swan Song
1x Whir of Invention
1x Worldly Tutor
Sorceries
1x Fabricate
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Sylvan Tutor
Artifacts
1x Isochron Scepter
1x Lightning Greaves
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mana Vault
1x Panharmonicon
1x Paradox Engine
1x Planar Bridge
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Sol Ring
1x Strionic Resonator
1x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1x Tezzeret the Seeker
Lands
1x Alchemist's Refuge
1x Botanical Sanctum
1x Breeding Pool
1x Command Tower
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Flooded Grove
1x Flooded Strand
8x Forest
1x Hinterland Harbor
7x Island
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1x Polluted Delta
1x Reliquary Tower
1x Scalding Tarn
1x Tropical Island
1x Verdant Catacombs
1x Windswept Heath
1x Wooded Foothills
1x Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix
1x Kiora's Follower
1x Shrieking Drake
1x Fauna Shaman
The best option is to buy them at a GP where you can physically inspect them and there are multiple sellers all competing with each other for customers. It's super easy to haggle down to a great price, and if they won't haggle with you, there's going to be someone else who will.
If you want to buy online, I recommend reputable sellers like channelfireball.com, SCG, or coolstuffinc.com (I especially like the latter because they have a customer rewards program that gives you discounts for buying from them regularly). You may pay a little more, but you know exactly what you're going to get, and you're going to get it fast. I'd avoid TCG and eBay due to the near-anonymous nature of the sellers there. Yeah you have consumer protections and you will get your money back if you get a fake, but it's a hassle and it's super time-consuming.
Hope that helps!