To be fair I've been playing this game since 2004 and Wizards has at least on 3 separate occasions tweaked the reserved list policies/restrictions. Wizards can mess with it but only if it benefits the collector's of MTG.
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This isn't the worst leak I've seen. In my time of MTG (circa 2004)the "godbook" leak of NPH. All wizards will do is put out a pr statement. Leaks happen inevitable in this business. They'll just push forward. Also really wish wizards would go back to New Phyrexia.
Well, that's just it. If you are going to pay more than $15, you are paying a premium to have them now. If you are someone like me who doesn't need them immediately, doesn't play Standard, and can wait three months for prices to fall. It's all about where you are on the demand curve - I don't feel a need to have the cards immediately, so I am not going to pay the premium to have them on launch day.
I do think that price memory is having an effect, and I think that there are a lot of people who are going to get burned thinking that fetchlands will stay above $15 in the intermediate term (say, from January 1 through Sept. 1, I don't see $15 being sustainable - once KTK is out of print, sure.)
And the idea that stores can just get together and collude to charge $110 for boxes is simply untrue, and it's illegal in the U.S. Yes, $110 may hold in the short term until the initial wave of demand passes, but this set will be printed to demand and prices will fall to a more moderated level. I have zero doubt that you will see $15 or less fetchlands by the first of the year.
I'll hold you to that. I won't be able to invest in Magic till then with birthdays and holidays coming up. Lol
I would be truly shocked if any foil fetch sells below $50. I suspect this set will be opened as much as, if not more, than RtR.
That is precisely why they would sell for below $50. Not even Deathrite Shaman foils reached $50 before they were banned in Modern, and they were practically ubiquitous in Modern (and still are in Legacy).
Yes you are correct. I did kind of contradict myself there. However I will stand by them being +$50 in long term. Regardless definitely get them when you can.
I will say this great theory and I have no idea when they'll show up again but I'm fairly certain they will be new iterations of the Eldrazi since the Annihilator mechanic annoyed too many people. Likely new versions of Eldrazi for standard and a Modern Masters reprint for the originals.
Imo $10-15 for several years then a slow but steady climb upwards. I also feel Zen fetches coming in the third set as wizards no longer likes to split allied and enemy lands. The only reason core sets have 5 is cause the current form of core sets are smaller than pre-m10 core sets and thus less room for a full cycle. I would say the Zen ones are a lock for third set due to Wizards knowing Fetches are second best cycle of lands behind ABUR duals, if not equal due to fetches versatility. That and they'll sell the sets.
it would've been, and other p3k cards if they were legal to use at the time of the formation of the reserve list.
So they're in by proxy? The formation of the reserved list did not include a large buncha cards that were added later. If these werent put in the list because of the timing, shouldtnt they have been added then?
You know, I'm really getting tired of people saying quit crying, get over it etc. I'm not complaining just to complain, when a company does something a paying customer does not like, the customer has a right to voice their displeasure. I disagree with "they don't have to explain it", if a new model car comes out and you are waiting to buy it, then suddenly some of the features listed are absent, all hell would break loose if they offered no explanation. Complaints, or otherwise letting businesses know what you are unhappy with, is how businesses improve,otherwise there would be no way to challenge what they do and they could just make any crappy polices they want. Also, don't tell me to shut up, that's very rude and immature, way more "immature" than the people who are "crying" aka voicing a legitimate complaint. Not voicing an opinion about something you are unhappy with is a sure way to stay unhappy in any aspect of your life; if it where up to the people calling me and others "whiners" I guess we would just mindlessly follow and and all decisions and rules or whatever without voicing any concerns or complaints no matter how big or small. We should all just shut up,get over ourselves, and quit crying.
We are not paying for the spoilers. And this... "debacle" aint comparable to the finished product lacking something. This REALLY is no big deal, and no reason to either cry nor be angry with those who complain. Up to some extent, yes, every player has the right to be annoyed at this failure to comunicate the rescheduling, NOT to start with the "liars" crap.
No offense intended, anyway.
the reason p3k cards, imo, was not part of the reserve list was when it was created p3k cards were not allowed in ANY format until sometime in 2005 when they decided that they would be fine for eternal formats. I'm pretty sure if they were legal in any sanctioned format at the time they created the reserve list or at least for the update in 2002 they probably would've added at least some of them. again they didn't need to at the time since well you very well couldn't use them anyhow so I think that they thought it would've been a moot point to add them but that's just a guess. glad they didn't though.
Imo the reserve list will have to go in order for wizards, should they want to protect Magic's history, for example the total print run of a single power 9 card was 22,800 or close to it (counting all printings: alpha, beta, unlimited together) now after 20+ years how many still exist?? I would be surprised if say there were still over 20,000 of each power in existence. now no one at the time could have foreseen the huge popularity of the game but with each passing year I would suspect we lose some power to random floods, fires, and other natural occurance as in life stuff happens and so I can see at a point if wizards is dead set on keeping the reserve list going that at some point in the future where there could be 0 of a patciular power card in existence in paper Magic. Now that could take 50 to 100 years but imo if the reserve list remains in place that long that then yes it could happen. As far as Vintage Masters set in paper I can see it in time. but it would be set up like a draft set ala Modern Masters but be a huge set so that almost every box would be radically different in terms of special\mythic\rare packs content. This is just my opinion though.
Without seeing the full spoiler, my guess is that these will start high and drop significantly. With the full list supposedly coming tonight, I'll be able to make a better judgment. For now, I'm thinking of this as a pseudo-UN set, both of which tanked hard before gaining real value.
my opinion is that there is already one confirmed card that has never been in foil before and is a crazy legacy card called: exploration. If in fact brainstorm AND swords to plowshares are in this I expect it to go up not down if only for the craziness of trying to crack those foils. I think the chase for the foils is what will keep the product going and remaining a high value. I know I want a foil exploration.
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Edit: comment was responding to Auspicious from page 2.
I'll hold you to that. I won't be able to invest in Magic till then with birthdays and holidays coming up. Lol
Yes you are correct. I did kind of contradict myself there. However I will stand by them being +$50 in long term. Regardless definitely get them when you can.
the reason p3k cards, imo, was not part of the reserve list was when it was created p3k cards were not allowed in ANY format until sometime in 2005 when they decided that they would be fine for eternal formats. I'm pretty sure if they were legal in any sanctioned format at the time they created the reserve list or at least for the update in 2002 they probably would've added at least some of them. again they didn't need to at the time since well you very well couldn't use them anyhow so I think that they thought it would've been a moot point to add them but that's just a guess. glad they didn't though.
my opinion is that there is already one confirmed card that has never been in foil before and is a crazy legacy card called: exploration. If in fact brainstorm AND swords to plowshares are in this I expect it to go up not down if only for the craziness of trying to crack those foils. I think the chase for the foils is what will keep the product going and remaining a high value. I know I want a foil exploration.