Well, this is the first set since Unhinged that I need to get complete collection of. (The sets before that were Unglued, Visions and whatever came before.)
This is mostly ment as online deck list for my personal use, but any notions or thoughts are welcome.
I did not try to make this as cutthroat as possible (would require more artifact ramp etc). I mostly wanted to make a "spells only" -deck and instead of Melek, which usually is just storm, I chose to use Narset. I did not include Omniscience and Enter the Infinite because it is already one wincon in another deck of mine. I did include Proteus Staff though.
Wishes would be cool but we do not use them (or even sideboard) when playing EDH.
I'm ok with that though, as now I do not need to carry all the wishable cards with me as well.
(My big deck has about 1000 cards as extras just to wish to play :). )
Ok, I understood, I have few times been in same situation with Primal Surge as it is in both my Animar (not yet in signature) and Enchantment decks. It is a one card win condition as well and when it would be like a third or fourth win with that card in the last few game evenings, it starts to get old. Even if I do not have any way to tutor it in either deck.
Hm, maybe I would use just Insurrection and Rise of the Dark Realms then. Just steal every creature on the board/graveyards, not win instantly :).
All three Primordials would be nice as well... but there are probably few hundred creatures that would be excellent with Marchesa :).
I still think Mana crypt would be good as well (costs a lot though, but so do dual lands as well).
You tried Jokulhaups, was it good when playing?
I was thinking that I would definitely add Jokulhaups and Obliterate to this deck, but maybe they are too expensive to cast?
If it has Jin, then some land destruction shouldn't be a big deal for the play group :). Even something like Damnation could be nice?
Obliterate should be game win right there if you have any board presence and Marchesa.
That is the hardest part for me in EDH games. PWs are always the first target for ANY creature on the table. They are "politically correct" targets to remove and all in the table are always in favour of it.
This is especially nasty when I try to play my No-creatures,PW's-only -deck.
If I had three PW's on the table, I think I would like Veil as well. 4+4 (or even 4 and next round 4) is still quite a hefty price to pay when I try to put out other PW's and also clear the board etc.
Would it be odd to play Sedris in the 99? Its a 6 cost 5/5 summon with good ability. Or is it counterintuitive with Marchesa as you would lose the unearthed summons when they leave battlefield? Or is it too big creature for the deck curve?
You really need a Sol ring. In addition, what would you think about Mana Crypt? That is the one thing even better than sol ring, especially as Marchesa kinda doesn't mind the damage once in a while?
How about Insurrection? If there are enough sac outlets, Insurrection should be pretty "fun". It is same as Rise of the Dark Realms but for creatures on the battlefield.
I.e. the plan is to attack with them and then sac them, so they are permanently under your control after that.
Also wouldn't Grim tutor or maybe diabolic intent be better than beseech the queen? Even Diabolic tutor might be better (get anything from deck and no need to reveal it to others).
Hmm, I thought about Rasputin Dreamweaver, but how well would that work? Any strionic resonator -style double-blink things during combat phase wouldn't help that much, but Brago would still reset the counters once per turn.
Thank you for your work with this primer. Especially all the answers about different cards.
I took your deck but removed the sorceries and instants and added some other stuff (like expedition map in spot of crop rotation etc) and then topped it off with Primal Surge. I had already built enchantment-only deck and now had a thought to make creature-only deck and this was perfect opportunity.
I think I added Erayo and Bane of Progress myself to the empty spots, but what about Craterhoof Behemoth? Have you thought about trying it out? Would that work in the spot of Psychosis Crawler?
Edit:
Ah, and would it mess the deck too much to add Alchemist's Refuge as well? That way there would be two lands that would give flash capability to cards? But it doesn't give coloured mana.
Well, this is the first set since Unhinged that I need to get complete collection of. (The sets before that were Unglued, Visions and whatever came before.)
HansonWK "Narset, On Extra Turns and Combat Steps"
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/571396-narset-on-extra-turns-and-combat-steps
Dies_to_Doom_Blade "Narset, Enlightned Master: How to never pay mana again"
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/570307-narset-enlightned-master-how-to-never-pay-mana
This is mostly ment as online deck list for my personal use, but any notions or thoughts are welcome.
I did not try to make this as cutthroat as possible (would require more artifact ramp etc). I mostly wanted to make a "spells only" -deck and instead of Melek, which usually is just storm, I chose to use Narset. I did not include Omniscience and Enter the Infinite because it is already one wincon in another deck of mine. I did include Proteus Staff though.
1 Narset, Enlightened Master
Planeswalkers (1)
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Instants (12)
1 Brainstorm
1 Capsize
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Force of Will
1 Eerie Interlude
1 Long-Term Plans
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Otherworldly Journey
1 Pact of Negation
1 Savage Beating
1 Sunder
1 Valorous Stance
Sorceries (20)
1 Beacon of Tomorrows
1 Blatant Thievery
1 Cataclysm
1 Decree of Annihilation
1 Dream Cache
1 Fell the Mighty
1 Mind's Desire
1 Personal Tutor
1 Razia's Purification
1 Relentless Assault
1 Seize the Day
1 Storm Herd
1 Expropriate
1 Temporal Mastery
1 Time Stretch
1 Time Warp
1 Tragic Arrogance
1 Walk the Aeons
1 Waves of Aggression
1 World at War
1 Aggravated Assault
1 Eldrazi Conscription
1 Leyline of Anticipation
1 Need for Speed
1 Penance
1 Reconnaissance
1 Steel of the Godhead
1 Vanishing
1 Metallurgic Summonings
Artifacts (21)
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Chrome Mox
1 Coalition Relic
1 Commander's Sphere
1 Darksteel Plate
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Fellwar Stone
1 Fleetfeather Sandals
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mirari
1 Proteus Staff
1 Scroll Rack
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sol Ring
1 Strionic Resonator
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Torpor Orb
1 Vessel of Endless Rest
1 Ward of Bones
Lands (26 + 9 basic + Maze = 36)
1 Maze of Ith
3 Island
3 Mountain
3 Plains
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Celestial Colonnade
1 Command Tower
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Flamekin Village
1 Flooded Strand
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Fortress
1 Hall of the Bandit Lord
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Homeward Path
1 Mirrorpool
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Mystic Gate
1 Mystic Monastery
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Rugged Prairie
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Steam Vents
1 Sulfur Falls
1 Temple of Enlightenment
1 Temple of Epiphany
1 Temple of Triumph
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Omniscience
1 Enter the Infinite
1 Timetwister
1 Time Spiral
1 Fervor
1 Hammer of Purphoros
1 Armageddon
1 Worldpurge
1 Land Equilibrium
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
1 Temporal Manipulation
1 Capture of Jingzhou
1 Turnabout
1 Treachery
1 Vedalken Orrery
10 Artifact ramp like Chrome Mox
Changes:
19.5.2015
Initial deck list added
I'm going to change Treachery to Blatant Thievery when I get one.
World at war should probably be changed to Temporal Manipulation because Rebound does not work with Narset ability.
I'm missing original dual lands and probably never going to buy them for this deck.
I'm also missing all fetches, will try to get those in the future.
21.5.2015
-Treachery+Blatant Thievery
25.7.2015
-Evolving Wilds+Flooded Strand
-Retribution of the Meek+Tragic Arrogance
-Clifftop Retreat+Chrome Mox
-Counterflux+Pact of Negation
23.4.2016
-Thespian's Stage+Mirrorpool
-Elbrus, the Binding Blade+Clone Legion Elbrus is forbidden because flip side is black. Going to try Clone legion because I need something that can help with beating.
19.7.2018
-Ghostway+Eerie interlude Better to be able to specify only narset and not any possible tokens.
-Sudden disappearance+Expropriate Sudden Disappearance was too gimmicky. Never worked correctly.
-Clone legion+Metallurgic Summonings Have to see how this works.
Based on Gelf primer here http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217251-animar-soul-of-elements-combo-cns-review
Removed instants and sorceries, added some stuff like Erayo and, of course, Primal surge.
1 Animar, Soul of Elements
Creatures (53)
1 Ainok Survivalist
1 Ancestral Statue
1 Artisan of Kozilek
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Bloom Tender
1 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Den Protector
1 Draining Whelk
1 Dream Stalker
1 Duplicant
1 Elvish Visionary
1 Eternal Witness
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Fathom Mage
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Fierce Empath
1 Genesis Hydra
1 Gilded Drake
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Imperial Recruiter
1 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Void Winnower
1 Maelstrom Wanderer
1 Man-o'-War
1 Mulldrifter
1 Mystic Snake
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Palinchron
1 Peregrine Drake
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Prime Speaker Zegana
1 Primordial Sage
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
1 Rattleclaw Mystic
1 Sage of Fables
1 Sea Gate Oracle
1 Shrieking Drake
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Soul of the Harvest
1 Stratus Dancer
1 Temur Sabertooth
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
1 Urabrask the Hidden
1 Venser, Shaper Savant
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Vizier of the Menagerie
1 Voidmage Husher
1 Willbender
1 Wood Elves
1 Seedborn Muse
1 Zealous Conscripts
1 Earthcraft
1 Equilibrium
1 Hardened Scales
1 Sylvan Library
1 Words of Wind
Artifacts (3)
1 Birthing Pod
1 Cloudstone Curio
1 Expedition Map
Sorcieries (1)
1 Primal Surge
Lands (37)
1 Ancient Ziggurat
1 Breeding Pool
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Command Tower
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Flooded Grove
5 Forest
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Gruul Turf
1 Hinterland Harbor
1 Homeward Path
7 Island
1 Alchemist's Refuge
1 Kessig Wolf Run
1 Mosswort Bridge
2 Mountain
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Rootbound Crag
1 Simic Growth Chamber
1 Steam Vents
1 Stomping Ground
1 Tolaria West
1 Winding Canyons
1 Wooded Foothills
Changes:
2.10.2014
-Erayo, Soratami Ascendant+Rattleclaw Mystic - Erayo was banned
21.11.2014
-Bloodbraid Elf+Genesis Hydra
-Eldrazi Monument+Kruphix, God of Horizons
-Opal Palace+Hardened Scales
17.5.2015
-Garruk's Horde+Sage of Fables
-Raven Familiar+Sea Gate Oracle
-Ondu Giant+Kessig Wolf Run
-Deadwood Treefolk+Den Protector
-Nantuko Vigilante+Ainok Survivalist
-Reliquary Tower+Wooded Foothills
-Acidic Slime+Elvish Visionary
-Forest+Birds of Paradise
-Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger+Bloom Tender
-Archetype of Endurance+Stratus Dancer
-Etherium-Horn Sorcerer+Ancestral Statue
-Steel Hellkite+Mystic Snake
-Nullstone Gargoyle+Temur Sabertooth
With these changes, the deck is closer to Gelf primer. Main differences are:
Glimpse of nature = Primal Surge
Stubborn Denial = Voidmage Husher
Swan Song = Words of Denial
Crop Rotation = Expedition Map
Chord of Calling = Urabrask the Hidden
Sphinx of Uthuun = Craterhoof Behemoth
Raven Familiar = Sea Gate Oracle
Llanowar Reborn = Homeward Path
Sulfur Falls = Tolaria West
In addition, I'm missing two fetches and run Evolving Wilds and Exotic Orchard instead.
25.5.2015
-Cloud of Faeries+Gilded Drake
Trying to find Imperial Recruiter for the deck as well.
23.4.2016
-Kruphix, God of Horizons+Void Winnower
-Prophet of Kruphix+Seedborn Muse Trying to replace prophet. Requires Teferi as well (and Winding canyons and Alchemist's Refuge)
-Xenagos, God of Revels+Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
19.7.2018
-Izzet Boilerworks+Alchemist's Refuge
-Sylvan Ranger+Imperial Recruiter
-Sakura Tribe-Elder+Vizier of the Menagerie
I'm ok with that though, as now I do not need to carry all the wishable cards with me as well.
(My big deck has about 1000 cards as extras just to wish to play :). )
Hm, maybe I would use just Insurrection and Rise of the Dark Realms then. Just steal every creature on the board/graveyards, not win instantly :).
All three Primordials would be nice as well... but there are probably few hundred creatures that would be excellent with Marchesa :).
I still think Mana crypt would be good as well (costs a lot though, but so do dual lands as well).
You tried Jokulhaups, was it good when playing?
I was thinking that I would definitely add Jokulhaups and Obliterate to this deck, but maybe they are too expensive to cast?
If it has Jin, then some land destruction shouldn't be a big deal for the play group :). Even something like Damnation could be nice?
Obliterate should be game win right there if you have any board presence and Marchesa.
That is the hardest part for me in EDH games. PWs are always the first target for ANY creature on the table. They are "politically correct" targets to remove and all in the table are always in favour of it.
This is especially nasty when I try to play my No-creatures,PW's-only -deck.
If I had three PW's on the table, I think I would like Veil as well. 4+4 (or even 4 and next round 4) is still quite a hefty price to pay when I try to put out other PW's and also clear the board etc.
You really need a Sol ring. In addition, what would you think about Mana Crypt? That is the one thing even better than sol ring, especially as Marchesa kinda doesn't mind the damage once in a while?
I.e. the plan is to attack with them and then sac them, so they are permanently under your control after that.
Also wouldn't Grim tutor or maybe diabolic intent be better than beseech the queen? Even Diabolic tutor might be better (get anything from deck and no need to reveal it to others).
What is the reason for Amulet of Vigor?
I'm interested in Marchesa as well, just not sure what way to go with her.
Thank you for your work with this primer. Especially all the answers about different cards.
I took your deck but removed the sorceries and instants and added some other stuff (like expedition map in spot of crop rotation etc) and then topped it off with Primal Surge. I had already built enchantment-only deck and now had a thought to make creature-only deck and this was perfect opportunity.
I think I added Erayo and Bane of Progress myself to the empty spots, but what about Craterhoof Behemoth? Have you thought about trying it out? Would that work in the spot of Psychosis Crawler?
Edit:
Ah, and would it mess the deck too much to add Alchemist's Refuge as well? That way there would be two lands that would give flash capability to cards? But it doesn't give coloured mana.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/558828-gatheringmagic-preview-treasonous-ogre
Deck manacurve isn't very high so I'm not sure if this would give any big advantage. But the effect is powerful.