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A 1w evasive creature that found 3 copies of itself and also in a format with a brainstorm and suffle effects vs a grey ogre that finds 1 copy of itself.

There were creatures like squadron hawks before, the ability isnt new.

People love to hype stuff no matter what in the Magic community, its odd.

Legion Conquistador finds multiple copies of itself.

Maybe it said 1 when it was first spoiled, regardless the effect has been seen before, Squadron Hawks was great due to jace and fetches/shuffle effects plus the squadron hawks had the swords and were evasive.

Maybe it said one when it was first spoiled? What does that even mean? They spoiled it, and then retroactively changed it? I'm confused.

Also, I'm not arguing with you here. The effect has indeed been seen before, between Squadron Hawk and the Nesting Wurm cards from Nemesis. I don't think it's great, but I do think there could be some potential in an Oketra's Monument deck.

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A 1w evasive creature that found 3 copies of itself and also in a format with a brainstorm and suffle effects vs a grey ogre that finds 1 copy of itself.

There were creatures like squadron hawks before, the ability isnt new.

People love to hype stuff no matter what in the Magic community, its odd.

Legion Conquistador finds multiple copies of itself.

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Veteran Elves players, based on your experience what are the common mistakes one usually does when playing this deck? It could be for the GB, GW or Abzan build. I'm pretty sure Elf newbies like me can gain a lot from what you can contribute. Could be a general play or something we might do in a certain match up. Thanks in advance to anyone who will share their thoughts

By no means a veteran but I still feel like adding a little to this. I started playing GB Elves in November 2015 and have been playing it in paper still to this day. I've also assembled the GW Devoted Druid/Vizier combo deck online just the other day. I would say 100% my biggest problem with the deck is sequencing. I don't play the deck with as much frequency as I'm sure many people here do, nor as much as I would like to play it. But I still notice issues somewhat often where I'll pass the turn and realize that my sequencing was off and I could have done more that turn. This has been especially true with the GW combo version I've been playing online. I know as I practice I'll get much better, as I haven't even been playing the deck for a week yet. For example, my third ever match with the GW deck was against Boros Burn. I was at 7, they were tapped out, and I untapped with a bunch of stuff in hand. I had a Devoted Druid on the field, cast nearly everything in my hand, including a Vizier of Remedies, and passed. I realized that had I tapped my lands and Elves differently I also could have cast the Ezuri, Renegade Leader sitting in my hand and won the game that turn. I of course lost on their turn after passing (as I should have, lol). I noticed it as soon as I passed my turn. Sequencing errors can be very easy to miss, but often will show themselves soon after once you have a minute to think back on your play or turn once you're not in the heat of the moment trying to figure out what to do. I hope this makes sense and can help a little!

No I don't think I'm looking to pursue it, I wouldn't really know where to begin with that. Mostly just curious. It is mildly frustrating for that kind of information to be easily access from a piece of mail, but ultimately I'm not terribly concerned. Thank you for the info.

I have a strange question. I recently received an invoice from Pay by Plate Massachusetts because my transponder was apparently defective for a period of time. Before opening the letter, I noticed that in the clear window showing my name and address, you could visibly see the balance I owe them. I know that there is a "tap test" where you tap all sides of the envelope to make sure that the shipping info is always visible. The paper was all very snug inside the envelope, and there was no way to move the invoice within to hide the total from view through the clear window. When my girlfriend saw this, she told me of a case where a company displayed highly sensitive medical information about their patients through that clear window on the envelope, which allowed anyone who saw the letter that the person has HIV. This is obviously nowhere near as egregious as that, but it's still frustrating that private information like this is clearly visible. In addition to this, you can read nearly everything else on the invoice even without the aid of shining a source of light through the envelope. The envelope is just so thin that you can easily make out my license plate number, the invoice number, an my transaction activity; which shows the date, time, and locations of tolls I have passed through. This doesn't seem right to me at all. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks!

Okay, makes sense! Thank you very much!

So I saw some mention of a "combo" with Teferi's Protection, Lethal Vapors, and Grand Abolisher. I didn't see much of an explanation for how it worked, so I'm hoping someone here could explain to me how this interaction would work. Thanks!

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I play stax strategies for the same reason any other player in the game plays any strategy: I find it fun. If you and/or your play group find that these cards lead to games that no one enjoys, ban them. But they exist in the game, they appeal to some players, so those players choose to play them.

These threads pop up almost daily at this point. Rather than getting upset and policing what other players do, have a civil dialogue with those that you play with. If you don't like infinite combos, talk to the player that wins every game the exact same way with an infinite combo. If you don't like stax, talk to the player locking everyone out of the game and taking a long time to win. If you don't like the mono blue player countering everything you do, talk to them. Coming here doesn't change anything. Let people play the cards they want to play with, let them have fun. If you're not having fun, just talk to them. It's really that simple.

No, it doesn't, but it is an interesting topic I'd like to discuss, which is why I'm on an online forum in the first place. This thread was posted in response to my buddy and I discussing a discard themed Nath stax deck he wants to build, and my response of overt disgust that someone would want to ruin MTG for everyone else. I fully intend on countering it with hardcore Arcum combo or a Grand Arbiter tax build, but that's not the point of this thread. I want to peek into the brain of people who actually like this type of build.

Not a thread directly about stax, but a thread with one person complaining about another person's choice in deck. My Nath deck is also a stax build, I love it.

What always bothers me are these statements: "my response of overt disgust that someone would want to ruin MTG for everyone else." Sorry you feel that way? That's just your opinion. I have always loved playing against stax. That is what drew me to the archetype years and years ago. Which, of course, is my opinion. I understand not everyone likes everything.

But I remember back in the day a friend of mine had a black and red stax deck with cards like Smokestack, Winter Orb, Sinkhole, and Mishra's Helix. Games with a turn one Dark Ritual into Duress and Sinkhole were crazy. It was fascinating (and frustrating, but mostly fascinating) to see those explosive, aggressive early plays, and then watch someone skillfully balance cards like Smokestack and Tangle Wire to their advantage, while I praying on top decks like Uktabi Orangutan to possibly get me out of the situation. It's sort of like a balancing act. I love making sure I am properly managing my resources and watching my opponent's board and hand shrink, so I can set up my win.

I play stax strategies for the same reason any other player in the game plays any strategy: I find it fun. If you and/or your play group find that these cards lead to games that no one enjoys, ban them. But they exist in the game, they appeal to some players, so those players choose to play them.

These threads pop up almost daily at this point. Rather than getting upset and policing what other players do, have a civil dialogue with those that you play with. If you don't like infinite combos, talk to the player that wins every game the exact same way with an infinite combo. If you don't like stax, talk to the player locking everyone out of the game and taking a long time to win. If you don't like the mono blue player countering everything you do, talk to them. Coming here doesn't change anything. Let people play the cards they want to play with, let them have fun. If you're not having fun, just talk to them. It's really that simple.

Where is the discussion coming from of Walking Ballista getting banned? I don't see it as a problem card whatsoever.

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@Syreal94
How does Mirror Entity protect against Anger of the Gods?

It can turn all your elves in to 4/4s.

Right but his post said you save them from Anger then kill them next turn. Won't they all die EOT when the effect wears off and the damage kills the elves?

The damage from anger and Mirror entity's ability wear off simultaneously so they live.

It's the same as using a pump spell to have a creature survive lightning bolt... if I'm understanding you correctly.

Okay yeah I got it. Must be having a brain fart. Thanks!

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@Syreal94
How does Mirror Entity protect against Anger of the Gods?

It can turn all your elves in to 4/4s.

Right but his post said you save them from Anger then kill them next turn. Won't they all die EOT when the effect wears off and the damage kills the elves?

@Syreal94
How does Mirror Entity protect against Anger of the Gods?

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And people complain about Jace getting one new card in Ixalan. Damn I'm getting tired of female Planeswalkers. Samut over Djeru next, then the native Ixalan PW is… female and the face character is… Vraska.

Why does this matter at all? Seems incredibly sexist for legitimately no reason whatsoever. Just that you hate women....

Not to seem rude but how did you have a hard time finding these? They're easy to find. Just google "Urza's Saga preconstructed decks." I Googled "Urza's Saga" and clicked the second link, which was the link to the Card Archive and Products page on the Wizards website. Can easily do the same for Legacy and Destiny.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/game-info/products/card-set-archive/urzas-saga-theme-decklists