MTG Salvation

He said his opponent is on Enter the Infinite. Leyline is going to do exactly nothing in that case.

LOL at everyone getting mad at the baby

Quote from Lormador

Edit: did someone really just describe 2 Underground Sea as cheap?

Someone described the TES manabase as cheap. And it is very cheap compared to the manabase of other real legacy decks.


Anyway, just stop getting rid of legacy staples. Acquire new cards at whatever pace you're comfortable with, just don't get rid of the old ones.

Tombstalker's problem is that he's a non-bo with almost every other good Legacy creature.

Snapcaster
Goyf
Mongoose
Lavamancer
KotR
Deathrite
Bob
etc

Definitely not cracking any packs, but I'll be pretty happy to buy some non-foil, english, black bordered City of Brass for significantly less than Arabian Nights price.

Good luck with your studies man.

I know you said you've got the piles down, but questions like

How many lands do you need "untapped" after you've actually cost DD?
How many cantrips and/or mana spells do you need in your hand after DD is cast?

are actually just issues with knowledge of the different piles and their requirements. I don't mean that as any kind of insult, there are just a seemingly infinite number of different situations that can come up, and they're going to require different amounts of post-DDay mana and cards in hand. Even with just the standard pile, you can do it for 3 mana after DDay if your only cantrip is Top. Or you need 2 mana if you have a Probe in hand. Or zero mana if you have an LED plus Probe in hand or Top in play. etc etc etc

They obviously get more complex when you take into account what you have to play around and what you have available, but there's basically a pile for everything. You need to map out in your head how much storm you need and what you need to play around or deal with, then figure out the requirements for a pile that gives you those things.

Spanish Inquisition typically wins turn 1. As in the turn 1 percent is more than 50 (if you know what you're doing and are playing the Pact version).

re Emrakul (imho)

- After your first draw 14, entomb+reanimate effect is your easiest win. You can just as easily do this with Children, so Emrakul is taking up an extra slot
+ Sometimes you won't hit Entomb after you draw 14, this gives you +1 chance to end up with target+discard+reanimate effect
+ Reshuffles if Tendrils is in your last few cards and you for some reason can't cantrip into it (corner case)
+ Rushuffles if you can't net enough mana any other way or Tendrils is in the yard (corner case)
+ Sometimes opponent is at 15 life or less and he wins by himself
+ Gets around Leyline/other problem permanents
+ Resets the game if you're at low life (ie had you gone for Gris you would only be able to draw 7 after an attack and are unlikely to get there that turn)
+ Showboating, sometimes you want to draw a hundred cards
+ Randomly beats Painter without maindeck crypt game 1 (lol)

Quote from serenechaos

Sadly, Legacy Doomsday cannot use the coolest of all Doomsday piles, which is

Ancestral Recall
Dark Ritual
Black Lotus
Mind's Desire
Beacon of Destruction

haha Vintage doesn't use this pile anymore either, but I agree that it's the coolest.

Issues/suggestions for the primer: SDT is a core card, no one plays IGG and you don't need it to storm them out, no one plays IT, the "standard pile" is IU-LED-Probe-LED-Burning Wish, the Emrakul pile does not rely on Shelldock in hand, those lists are really weird builds (honestly just use Mendian's LabMan list and Lejay's 5C Wish list as the standards, I've never seen anything close to the two that are listed there now).

Listed the manabases from the RUG decks that top 8'd SCGs this year so far, just so you can see what other people decided to do. Mostly just 3/3 duals, a couple people added an island (one in place of a fetch, one guy as a 19th land). RUG needs very little land to operate, up to you whether it's worth it to have a land that's Waste-proof vs having another spell or a fetch to get burn/creatures online.


SCG LV - 6th
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

SCG LV - 8th (pending, I think)
1 Island
3 Flooded Strand
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

SCG CIN - 7th
1 Island
2 Flooded Strand
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

SCG SD - 2nd
4 Flooded Strand
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
1 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

SCG SD - 6th
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

SCG COL - 8th
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland

SCG GP DEV - 3rd
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
3 Tropical Island
3 Volcanic Island
4 Wasteland
2 Wooded Foothills

Quote from Richard Arschmann

I'm building a Tempo Threshold list. Can I swap out the Zendikar fetchlands for Onslaught fetchlands without compromising the deck? I have lots of Polluted Deltas and Flooded Strands, but no Scalding Tarns or Misty Rainforests.

Not having to purchase these cards would permit me to buy other Legacy staples for other decks. Both Delta and Strand will let me grab Volcanic Island and Tropical Island whenever I need them.

Thanks.

This totally depends on the fetchable lands that you're running. If you're on the standard configuration of 3x Trop and 3x Volcanic, then any combination of Flooded Strand, Misty Rainforest, Polluted Delta, Scalding Tarn and Wooded Foothills is fine. If you're worried about the 1/1000 games that someone is going to extract a fetch, then run 2-2-2-1-1. If you think you'll play against some inexperience people, you might want to run 4x Foothills and will likely catch a few people with an unexpected turn 1 Stifle/Daze/Pierce off of one.

I'll use online stores for one of the following reasons

1) If I need a whole bunch of cheap commons/uncommons. Would rather get them all in one place and have them all shipped at once. My time is more valuable than the savings I'd get from buying them seperately on eBay.
2) If the eBay price isn't much cheaper. All things being equal I would rather deal with an actual business. They are generally much more professional and have more at stake.
3) If I need to make sure I have something for a certain time. ABU Games will get my cards into my mailbox in 3 days everytime.

If none of those apply, eBay for the (much) cheaper prices.


It's snowing a little bit.

The ones in my signature. Except I think I took the cards for Merfolk out of their sleeves.