I don't think *I* would call it the spiritual successor to Tempest.
As for the colors:
The top banner is beige, the side bar is seafoam green, the using the wiki is eggshell, announcements is mint green, and the bottom bar is gray.
The only color I can't identify is the mtg news bracket...
I thought Tempest and Odyssey block had something to do with each other but I realised repeats, even of cycles, aren't necessarily reflective of them being of the same vein.
The colors are okay, though, yeah? I tried to have the colors allude to the five colors of Magic. White was tough, so I went with yellow. Pink/red was difficult; dark reds were eye-rape whereas light reds didn't look so right on all of my monitors. The rest were easy.
The colors are okay, though, yeah? I tried to have the colors allude to the five colors of Magic. White was tough, so I went with yellow. Pink/red was difficult; dark reds were eye-rape whereas light reds didn't look so right on all of my monitors. The rest were easy.
Added two new things.
Yeah, the colors are easy on the eyes but distinctive enough not to be boring.
Please feed me information for Odyssey block's storyline.
If anyone is interested, we can collab; you can do the heavy lifting and I can do the trivial stuff.
I am considering the merging of storyline character stub articles, such as those supporting and minor characters. I don't know how I'll address the categorization of these pages. I've just worked that out. It's a brilliant solution.
Please feed me information for Odyssey block's storyline.
If anyone is interested, we can collab; you can do the heavy lifting and I can do the trivial stuff.
I am considering the merging of storyline character stub articles, such as those supporting and minor characters. I don't know how I'll address the categorization of these pages. I've just worked that out. It's a brilliant solution.
I could see some stub pages being merged for minor characters involved in each storyline, but they should DEFINITELY be separated by whence they were involved.
In essence, There is no good reason Kamigawa characters should be sharing the page with Dominarian characters.
Even then, you should probably run the list by me so I can fact check and compare their significance. Some character are significant enough to warrant their own page, even if it is a stub.
Others could totally be justified in being on a page headed with "minor characters from XXXX"
As for Oddyssey's storyline, giving me some time to compile. Essentially it went "Don't be ****in' with the Mirari, you complete morons."
Alternatively "Hit it til it stops twitching." but that's exclusively from Kamahl's perspective.
I could see some stub pages being merged for minor characters involved in each storyline, but they should DEFINITELY be separated by whence they were involved.
A long, long, long time ago, I was on Wikipedia and I chanced upon their pages on MTG and associated things, such as its storyline and its characters. While I get that it's not a specialist wiki, we can do much better by breaking things down into blocks or cycles. I'm quite hopeful actually that we'll do good.
In essence, There is no good reason Kamigawa characters should be sharing the page with Dominarian characters.
Totally.
Even then, you should probably run the list by me so I can fact check and compare their significance. Some character are significant enough to warrant their own page, even if it is a stub.
Okay.
Others could totally be justified in being on a page headed with "minor characters from XXXX"
List of {BLOCK CYCLE} characters.
I think this, or something similar to this, would be a good fit:
This is a list of characters appearing in the {[I]BLOCK CYCLE[/I]} novels.
__TOC__
==Major characters==
===Kamahl===
{{Main|Kamahl}}
...
==Minor characters==
'''Thriss''' is a bad-arse nantuko.
==Other characters==
(For inanimate characters or those not exactly featured, such as the Ur-Dragon or the dragon engine from Masques... or something.)
As for Oddyssey's storyline, giving me some time to compile. Essentially it went "Don't be ****in' with the Mirari, you complete morons."
Alternatively "Hit it til it stops twitching." but that's exclusively from Kamahl's perspective.
I can probably read Odyssey and Chainer's Torment, as I've got those. I don't have Judgment, however.
I'm familiar with the storyline but only from reading others' posts and stuff, and that's a secondary source from what I remember of History.
This is a list of characters appearing in the {[I]BLOCK CYCLE[/I]} novels.
__TOC__
==Major characters==
===Kamahl===
{{Main|Kamahl}}
...
==Minor characters==
'''Thriss''' is a bad-arse nantuko.
==Other characters==
(For inanimate characters or those not exactly featured, such as the Ur-Dragon or the dragon engine from Masques... or something.)
Yeah, that's a page that could be used as a good resource.
Though Time Spiral would be absolute mayhem so it should only probably contain characters involved with the story. The "other characters" would be so hard to put together as to be nigh unworkable.
I can probably read Odyssey and Chainer's Torment, as I've got those. I don't have Judgment, however.
I wouldn't wish that upon you (Though Torment isn't bad) as the Otaria books are some of the worst produced.
Yeah, that's a page that could be used as a good resource.
I think it wouldn't too bad.
Though Time Spiral would be absolute mayhem so it should only probably contain characters involved with the story. The "other characters" would be so hard to put together as to be nigh unworkable.
Definitely. Time Spiral has my head spinning. I can't make sense of that storyline arc...
I wouldn't wish that upon you (Though Torment isn't bad) as the Otaria books are some of the worst produced.
I feel stoned having devoured the books. I see words but don't really get it.
Wanted: suggestions as to how to best resolve this 'Category: Creature types', 'Category: Species and races' dilemma
As I see it, one is related to the game. The other is related to the storyline.
Creature types is easy. There are, like, three hundred creature types. Species and races is tricky. Logically, we should also have an occupations, classes, or whatever category as well. Orrr... we can have species and races (what's the difference between these or what are the definitions of these?) and occupations, classes, etc. nested within creature types, which is an umbrella for all things relating to who you are?
Creature types is easy. There are, like, three hundred creature types. Species and races is tricky. Logically, we should also have an occupations, classes, or whatever category as well. Orrr... we can have species and races (what's the difference between these or what are the definitions of these?) and occupations, classes, etc. nested within creature types, which is an umbrella for all things relating to who you are?
Race and Creature type are the same thing, but for creature type, it cares more about the game. Like if you were a character in the world, you wouldn't go up to somebody and ask them what creature type they are. You would ask them their race (which is commonly the same thing as species in fantasy settings.)
I'd suggest not even touching the issue of occupations/classes or anything like that. For anything on the card, they can do a card search for relevant legendaries of a particular type in magiccards.info or gatherer. For all the rest, there is no way to accurately determine what the difference between a soldier or a warrior is or with shamans or druids and etc etc.
If they don't have a card, it leads to wild mass guessing... and I hate speculation of that nature.
For example, for characters such as Kamahl, my vision is this:
{{Infobox character
|Species = Human
|Class = He-Man <small>(''Odyssey'' and ''Chainer's Torment'')</small>,<BR>Hug-a-Tree <small>(''Judgment'' and Onslaught Cycle)</small>
For a number of characters that are very clear-cut, this is feasible, particularly, as class/occupation/etc. would be use conditional coding.
I think we should group classes into groups, such as magical fighters, melee fighters, and others. Granted, some are trickier to categorise on a listing.
Race and Creature type are the same thing, but for creature type, it cares more about the game. Like if you were a character in the world, you wouldn't go up to somebody and ask them what creature type they are. You would ask them their race (which is commonly the same thing as species in fantasy settings.)
I beg to differ, as race is not species.
Loxodons are a race of the species elephant.
Okay, we need both species and race. Humans are humans and goblins are goblins but there is geographic variation in culture, phenotype, etc.
I'd suggest not even touching the issue of occupations/classes or anything like that. For anything on the card, they can do a card search for relevant legendaries of a particular type in magiccards.info or gatherer. For all the rest, there is no way to accurately determine what the difference between a soldier or a warrior is or with shamans or druids and etc etc.
If they don't have a card, it leads to wild mass guessing... and I hate speculation of that nature.
I hate listings and trivial trivia as much as the next person.
There are some references and style guides for creature types.
For example, for characters such as Kamahl, my vision is this:
{{Infobox character
|Species = Human
|Class = He-Man <small>(''Odyssey'' and ''Chainer's Torment'')</small>,<BR>Hug-a-Tree <small>(''Judgment'' and Onslaught Cycle)</small>
For a number of characters that are very clear-cut, this is feasible, particularly, as class/occupation/etc. would be use conditional coding.
I think we should group classes into groups, such as magical fighters, melee fighters, and others. Granted, some are trickier to categorise on a listing.
I'm advising you not to try this. I'm not seeing a lot of upside since the definition would almost be entirely arbitrary.
I beg to differ, as race is not species.
Loxodons are a race of the species elephant.
Okay, we need both species and race. Humans are humans and goblins are goblins but there is geographic variation in culture, phenotype, etc.
I hate listings and trivial trivia as much as the next person.
Regardless of your thoughts on the matter, Race IS used as a synonym for species in a fantasy context. All you have to do is look at the way it is commonly used.
What's more, Loxodon are not a Race of the species elephant. If you were to get technical, they would be a totally different species.
This is a situation where the convention of the genre has already hemmed things in, even if you don't much care for it.
I'm advising you not to try this. I'm not seeing a lot of upside since the definition would almost be entirely arbitrary.
I can code it and it can be left empty, though.
Regardless of your thoughts on the matter, Race IS used as a synonym for species in a fantasy context. All you have to do is look at the way it is commonly used.
Please explain these terms to me.
What do you mean, "Race IS used as a synonym for species in a fantasy context"? The "in a fantasy context" has me doing things with my caterpillars of eyebrows.
I'm not touching this for the time being. When you're less busy, we'll do something. For the time being, I'm stuck on doing things and things on sets.
What do you mean, "Race IS used as a synonym for species in a fantasy context"? The "in a fantasy context" has me doing things with my caterpillars of eyebrows.
I'm not touching this for the time being. When you're less busy, we'll do something. For the time being, I'm stuck on doing things and things on sets.
Well, Race is used for sapient life in either a science fiction or fantasy setting to create empathy with the consumer. Species is a dehumanizing term that isn't commonly used both because of its severely scientific nature and the fact that it objectifies characters and peoples that the author is trying to create a commonality with.
But, amongst the easiest examples to point out is Dungeons and Dragons, where things such as "Orc" and "Dwarf" or "Goblin" are not denotations of species, but denotations of race, not because they are related to Humanity, but because it creates a sense of humanity to them.
But there are other examples I could drag up where Race is commonly used when referencing non-hominid beings.
In essence, fantasy and science fiction writers use race as a synonym for species because species has negative connotations to it.
Aside from that, they actively use "race" this way in Magic.
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Can someone link me to helpful and handy Odyssey block threads, including, but not solely, storyline ones?
As for the colors:
The top banner is beige, the side bar is seafoam green, the using the wiki is eggshell, announcements is mint green, and the bottom bar is gray.
The only color I can't identify is the mtg news bracket...
I thought Tempest and Odyssey block had something to do with each other but I realised repeats, even of cycles, aren't necessarily reflective of them being of the same vein.
The colors are okay, though, yeah? I tried to have the colors allude to the five colors of Magic. White was tough, so I went with yellow. Pink/red was difficult; dark reds were eye-rape whereas light reds didn't look so right on all of my monitors. The rest were easy.
Added two new things.
Yeah, the colors are easy on the eyes but distinctive enough not to be boring.
If anyone is interested, we can collab; you can do the heavy lifting and I can do the trivial stuff.
I am considering the merging of storyline character stub articles, such as those supporting and minor characters.
I don't know how I'll address the categorization of these pages.I've just worked that out. It's a brilliant solution.I could see some stub pages being merged for minor characters involved in each storyline, but they should DEFINITELY be separated by whence they were involved.
In essence, There is no good reason Kamigawa characters should be sharing the page with Dominarian characters.
Even then, you should probably run the list by me so I can fact check and compare their significance. Some character are significant enough to warrant their own page, even if it is a stub.
Others could totally be justified in being on a page headed with "minor characters from XXXX"
As for Oddyssey's storyline, giving me some time to compile. Essentially it went "Don't be ****in' with the Mirari, you complete morons."
Alternatively "Hit it til it stops twitching." but that's exclusively from Kamahl's perspective.
Totally.
Okay.
List of {BLOCK CYCLE} characters.
I think this, or something similar to this, would be a good fit:
I can probably read Odyssey and Chainer's Torment, as I've got those. I don't have Judgment, however.
I'm familiar with the storyline but only from reading others' posts and stuff, and that's a secondary source from what I remember of History.
I'll sit on this at the moment. Thanks. A long, long, long time ago, I was on Wikipedia and I chanced upon their pages on MTG and associated things, such as its storyline and its characters. While I get that it's not a specialist wiki, we can do much better by breaking things down into blocks or cycles. I'm quite hopeful actually that we'll do good.
Yeah, that's a page that could be used as a good resource.
Though Time Spiral would be absolute mayhem so it should only probably contain characters involved with the story. The "other characters" would be so hard to put together as to be nigh unworkable.
I wouldn't wish that upon you (Though Torment isn't bad) as the Otaria books are some of the worst produced.
Definitely. Time Spiral has my head spinning. I can't make sense of that storyline arc...
I feel stoned having devoured the books. I see words but don't really get it. I think it wouldn't too bad.
As I see it, one is related to the game. The other is related to the storyline.
Creature types is easy. There are, like, three hundred creature types. Species and races is tricky. Logically, we should also have an occupations, classes, or whatever category as well. Orrr... we can have species and races (what's the difference between these or what are the definitions of these?) and occupations, classes, etc. nested within creature types, which is an umbrella for all things relating to who you are?
Race and Creature type are the same thing, but for creature type, it cares more about the game. Like if you were a character in the world, you wouldn't go up to somebody and ask them what creature type they are. You would ask them their race (which is commonly the same thing as species in fantasy settings.)
I'd suggest not even touching the issue of occupations/classes or anything like that. For anything on the card, they can do a card search for relevant legendaries of a particular type in magiccards.info or gatherer. For all the rest, there is no way to accurately determine what the difference between a soldier or a warrior is or with shamans or druids and etc etc.
If they don't have a card, it leads to wild mass guessing... and I hate speculation of that nature.
For a number of characters that are very clear-cut, this is feasible, particularly, as class/occupation/etc. would be use conditional coding.
I think we should group classes into groups, such as magical fighters, melee fighters, and others. Granted, some are trickier to categorise on a listing.
I beg to differ, as race is not species.
Loxodons are a race of the species elephant.
Okay, we need both species and race. Humans are humans and goblins are goblins but there is geographic variation in culture, phenotype, etc.
I hate listings and trivial trivia as much as the next person.
There are some references and style guides for creature types.
Again, conditional variables.
I'm advising you not to try this. I'm not seeing a lot of upside since the definition would almost be entirely arbitrary.
Regardless of your thoughts on the matter, Race IS used as a synonym for species in a fantasy context. All you have to do is look at the way it is commonly used.
What's more, Loxodon are not a Race of the species elephant. If you were to get technical, they would be a totally different species.
This is a situation where the convention of the genre has already hemmed things in, even if you don't much care for it.
Please explain these terms to me.
What do you mean, "Race IS used as a synonym for species in a fantasy context"? The "in a fantasy context" has me doing things with my caterpillars of eyebrows.
I'm not touching this for the time being. When you're less busy, we'll do something. For the time being, I'm stuck on doing things and things on sets.
Well, Race is used for sapient life in either a science fiction or fantasy setting to create empathy with the consumer. Species is a dehumanizing term that isn't commonly used both because of its severely scientific nature and the fact that it objectifies characters and peoples that the author is trying to create a commonality with.
But, amongst the easiest examples to point out is Dungeons and Dragons, where things such as "Orc" and "Dwarf" or "Goblin" are not denotations of species, but denotations of race, not because they are related to Humanity, but because it creates a sense of humanity to them.
But there are other examples I could drag up where Race is commonly used when referencing non-hominid beings.
In essence, fantasy and science fiction writers use race as a synonym for species because species has negative connotations to it.
Aside from that, they actively use "race" this way in Magic.