No, I know what a halberd looks like. I also know that the lance at the top is typically not much narrower than that of a spear, neither is it bladed on the sides. So the puncture wound won't be large, and it doesn't have the possibility of cutting while its in the bear. It won't deal massive damage because, in all likelihood, you won't be able to hit the bear at the correct angle to even let it penetrate. The axehead gives you a much greater chance because it would strike with much more force.
So, the bear is just going to scream in agony the moment you pierce it and not at all attempt to get to you? And did you forget you acknowledging the fact that small arms fire, or even rounds from high-powered rifles for that matter, cannot penetrate a bear's skull at an angle? Do you really think your axe has more force behind it than a rifle round?
Please keep in mind that, in this scenario, the bear is out to kill you. It is not a normal bear, which would want to run away or drive you away. A bear out to actually kill someone is probably the greatest (land-based) force of nature alive on this planet today. If adrenaline and rage makes people utterly immune to multiple broken bones/limbs torn off/huge bullet wounds, then what do you think an enraged bear will be capable of?
I'm very familiar with this kind of weapon. It's fairly slow and unwieldy, as far as weapons go. Good luck getting in a hit. Additonally, it's quite accurate that this kind of weapon is designed to fight Plate armor, not the tough gritty muscle and thick fur of animal hide. I doubt you'll do any significant damage with the axe-head on this thing- it's not deisgned to penetrate the kind of target we're dealing with here. Again, you might get it to impale itself ont he spear, but that's a big maybe.
Throwing an axe at its skull will do nothing. Bear skulls have been known to deflect small arms fire. Your axe will bounce off, and that's about it.
Folks, you seem to forget,
Bullet's have a lot less mass and weight than an axe...
and BTW, I don't expect the bear to just sit there and wail in pain, I expect to be up close REPEATEDLY STABBING the thing wherever I can... Multiple lacerations and puncture wounds bleeding out, I could make the bear BLEED to death...
Bleeding out the bear couldn't possibly travel that quickly, giving me enough time to set up for a few axe-throws. I'm betting I could stick a few axes into its' flesh. Yeah, i was kinda exaggerating sticking one in its' skull, but still. Flesh = Weaker than bone.
Plus, I have more than just the halberd, Knives, Swords, Maces... Oh my... Weapons built specifically to BREAK BONES, shatter shields, etc.
if someone's saying a 2/4 wizard could beat the bear, I'm pretty sure 3/2 first strike wins.
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Bullet's have a lot less mass and weight than an axe...
and BTW, I don't expect the bear to just sit there and wail in pain, I expect to be up close REPEATEDLY STABBING the thing wherever I can... Multiple lacerations and puncture wounds bleeding out, I could make the bear BLEED to death...
A .50 BMG is considerably smaller than the axe-head of a halberd or an axe. A .50 BMG also happens to be more than capable of blowing through steel plates used as armor by military vehicles and many inches of concrete. Can your halberd do the same?
And my point is that a real-life grizzly bear will kill you in a single swipe, or at the very least break several bones and completely pulverize your muscles. I think that would prevent you from doing anymore than a stab or two.
And a dominarian bear is pictured to be breaking redwood trees in half in a single swipe. What do you think that'll do to your body?
You completely ignore the agency of the bear. You expect it to do nothing while you repeatedly stab it. You ignore the premise that the bear is out to murder you. This really is the problem I have with everyone who thinks they're a bad-ass. All they do is think about what they'll do and not what the opposing party will do. You'll stab the bear? Great, I'm sure you can. But what will the bear do? Nothing? Nope. It'll be aiming for your neck with its jaws, but before that it'll have at least hit you once with its paws that are the size of dinner plates and will have placed its entire body-weight onto you in a charge so that you are pinned. Do you honestly expect a human can survive that?
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is not out to murder your ass? If you're extremely skilled/knowledgeable about hunting bears and with the right tools (which are not halberds, btw), then maybe.
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is out to murder your ass? No. 10 men won't be able to kill that unless they have high-powered rifles.
A .50 BMG is considerably smaller than the axe-head of a halberd or an axe. A .50 BMG also happens to be more than capable of blowing through steel plates used as armor by military vehicles and many inches of concrete. Can your halberd do the same?
And my point is that a real-life grizzly bear will kill you in a single swipe, or at the very least break several bones and completely pulverize your muscles. I think that would prevent you from doing anymore than a stab or two.
And a dominarian bear is pictured to be breaking redwood trees in half in a single swipe. What do you think that'll do to your body?
You completely ignore the agency of the bear. You expect it to do nothing while you repeatedly stab it. You ignore the premise that the bear is out to murder you. This really is the problem I have with everyone who thinks they're a bad-ass. All they do is think about what they'll do and not what the opposing party will do. You'll stab the bear? Great, I'm sure you can. But what will the bear do? Nothing? Nope. It'll be aiming for your neck with its jaws, but before that it'll have at least hit you once with its paws that are the size of dinner plates and will have placed its entire body-weight onto you in a charge so that you are pinned. Do you honestly expect a human can survive that?
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is not out to murder your ass? If you're extremely skilled/knowledgeable about hunting bears and with the right tools (which are not halberds, btw), then maybe.be able to kill that unless they have high-powered rifles.
And you're expecting that I'll just sit there and take that?! Excuse me while
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is out to murder your ass? No. 10 men won't I
Seriously, you think i'm just going to sit there and LET the bear hit me with those claws?
I fully expect my halberd to not do that much, If I can get a good stab with it, and lodge it in between some of the bear's bones, it can make it VERY AWKWARD for the bear to move, ever try to walk on all-fours when there's a 8ft Halberd sticking out of you? It might not fully impale the bear, but it'll cause enough damage to slow it down, ergo giving me the perfect time to kill the bear, and yeah, I fully expect the thing to swing at me whilst I try to kill it... Go ahead, stretch out those claws, I'll break the bones in them while you try to swipe me.
Strategy is necessary when taking on a foe that is larger and stronger than you.
I'm not the strongest man in the world, but, I'm an excellent tactician. Given the tools i'd have on me, I could easily take down a bear.
The bear charges me, I have the halberd placed in the ground standing up, I pretend to be holding it, the bear lunges, I leap out of the way and voila, the bear gets a halberd sticking out of its' chest and I get the time and maneuverability to break its' bones or kill it how I see fit...
I'm fully expecting the bear to try to kill me. Except I'm smarter than the bear, therefore I'm deadlier.
Brains > Brawn...
Plus, with Guns, you're also talking about piercing damage, which is a lot less deadly to a bear than concussive force. Think about the difference between having a bullet shot through you and being hit with a War-Mace. One is meant to pierce through its' target at long distance, the other is meant to break bones in close-quarters combat.
Apples and oranges.
My goal is to tire out the bear enough so I can move in and kill it.
Most of the time in real life, when people die to grizzlies, they're not expecting anything to happen, really.
Here, I anticipate, I expect to be attacked, therefore I can react accordingly and survive.
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You remind me of a guy I knew in Grade 8. He was a black belt in taekwondo and was getting picked on by some bullies. He threatened to use his taekwondo skillz on them. One of the bigger bullies laughed and said he'd like to see that, so they set up the standard meet at the bike racks after school. The taekwondo black belt got the **** kicked out of him.
Moral of the story is, size matters. A lot. You think your halberd is going to be staying in your hands while you stab this monster that's three times your weight? No. You're going to stab it, it's going to be injured, then the bear's momentum is going to crush you. The end.
At this point in the conversation, I have zero doubt that Plaguefather is an effective troll.
But, because its more fun to discuss these things:
1) What a bullet lacks in mass/size compared to an axe, it more than makes up for in hydrostatic shock.
2) Hydrostatic shock, not to mention the bullet's energy via velocity and its range advantage, are the reasons why bear hunters rely on firearms over medieval weapons.
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You think a bullet is "piercing" damage. Clearly you do not understand how bullets work.
You think you can break a bear's bones with a mace. Clearly you do not how your very weapon works.
Hell, you do not understand how force works.
You think you can out-maneuver and tire out a bear.
You think you can dodge a swipe from a bear for Christ's sake.
I give up. Enjoy your delusions. I really hope you never run into a bear irl.
You remind me of a guy I knew in Grade 8. He was a black belt in taekwondo and was getting picked on by some bullies. He threatened to use his taekwondo skillz on them. One of the bigger bullies laughed and said he'd like to see that, so they set up the standard meet at the bike racks after school. The taekwondo black belt got the **** kicked out of him.
(Not taking sides, just touching on a point)
Size does matter.. But only to a limited extent.
Can you verify he was actually a black belt?
When I started in MMA I weighed 190ish at 6'2. A 5'6 140 pounder put a beat down on me.
After being trained (weighing 220 now though) it is incredibly easy to pick on bigger people.
(However, if we're talking 200 pounds vs 130 pounds, and the big guy is in mount, then it's over.. Most of the time)
Check out Keith Hackney vs Emmanuel Yarbrough. But no, I'm not saying get in a boxing match with a bear. You will lose.
As for me, we'd probably both live. I'd use my paracord bracelets to help get me up a tree. Maybe put some snares around it to deter or annoy the bear. As I go up, maybe prepare some branches to break if he tries to come up, have my knifes and other blades handy to swing at his face if he does come up...Unless doing a few IDPA matches means I get a .40. Then it's bear dinner.
When I started in MMA I weighed 190ish at 6'2. A 5'6 140 pounder put a beat down on me.
After being trained (weighing 220 now though) it is incredibly easy to pick on bigger people.
(However, if we're talking 200 pounds vs 130 pounds, and the big guy is in mount, then it's over.. Most of the time)
And someone who was smaller than me initially kicked my ass at judo. After 3-4 months, I kicked her ass.
I'm going to assume your case came from anything that involved the ground game, or the fellow would take you down instead of doing strictly stand-up.
It's a given that grappling comes down to skill moreso than strength and size, unless you're considerably stronger than the other fellow. But all that proves is that you need great strength in order to outright overpower people in grappling.
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Sparring is different from true, or even competition, fighting. You are taught not to press your weight while sparring because you do not learn or practice proper technique. Ergo, being larger does not necessarily do much. In an actual fight, everything goes, and size is far, far more important.
And someone who was smaller than me initially kicked my ass at judo. After 3-4 months, I kicked her ass.
I'm going to assume your case came from anything that involved the ground game, or the fellow would take you down instead of doing strictly stand-up.
It's a given that grappling comes down to skill moreso than strength and size, unless you're considerably stronger than the other fellow. But all that proves is that you need great strength in order to outright overpower people in grappling.
All aspects. Was just too fast on his feet for me to handle. Would land jabs the second my hand moved to strike. Sweet combos. Evaded my takedowns because he was quick. When it got to the ground I was shaking armbars until I got choked.
You think a bullet is "piercing" damage. Clearly you do not understand how bullets work.
You think you can break a bear's bones with a mace. Clearly you do not how your very weapon works.
Hell, you do not understand how force works.
You think you can out-maneuver and tire out a bear.
You think you can dodge a swipe from a bear for Christ's sake.
I give up. Enjoy your delusions. I really hope you never run into a bear irl.
You act like a bear is this LIGHTNING fast UBER QUICK MMA fighter...
You're clearly the delusional one.
BTW, did anyone even READ my strategy for taking down a bear with a halberd?
Step 1: Find bear
Step 2: Make sure there's enough distance between you and bear for Bear to get running speed.
Step 3: Plant the base of the halberd into the ground and stand there, holding the weapon ready while the bear charges.
Step 4: When bear is right upon you and you he's not really slowing down, you jump to the side when the bear lunges at you and instead of getting you, it gets a chestful-of Halbard/pike. Essentially having the thing stuck inside of it. It might not die immediately, but it's been severely wounded, to the point where it's movement slows down immensely. enough to where I could dodge any kind of swipe it made. Blood Loss is definately not fun dude... I've seen many animals that get injured and lose a lot of blood act very differently, they move differently, slower, more aloof.
Now, what if I also happened to have a toxic substance on the blade of that weapon too? Maybe metal polish residue gets into the wound, etc.
One way or another, that bear is going down and it's not taking me with it...
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You act like a bear is this LIGHTNING fast UBER QUICK MMA fighter...
You're clearly the delusional one.
BTW, did anyone even READ my strategy for taking down a bear with a halberd?
Step 1: Find bear
Step 2: Make sure there's enough distance between you and bear for Bear to get running speed.
Step 3: Plant the base of the halberd into the ground and stand there, holding the weapon ready while the bear charges.
Step 4: When bear is right upon you and you he's not really slowing down, you jump to the side when the bear lunges at you and instead of getting you, it gets a chestful-of Halbard/pike. Essentially having the thing stuck inside of it. It might not die immediately, but it's been severely wounded, to the point where it's movement slows down immensely. enough to where I could dodge any kind of swipe it made. Blood Loss is definately not fun dude... I've seen many animals that get injured and lose a lot of blood act very differently, they move differently, slower, more aloof.
Now, what if I also happened to have a toxic substance on the blade of that weapon too? Maybe metal polish residue gets into the wound, etc.
One way or another, that bear is going down and it's not taking me with it...
Do you not know of the documented stories worldwide of bears responding to physical injuries including close-up gunshot wounds to the head by becoming angrier and killing their attackers? Your method of attack is a fairy tale and you would die.
Speaking of which, by mtg standards a barbarian halberdier is 3/1, 3R with first strike. Can kill bear. Hopefully no one ever has to test that in a real life situation, no matter how much medieval weapons training they have.
I've been trained by my father, an expert marksman, since I was 12. I possess a Benelli shotgun capable of handling some of the hottest magnum slugs known to man. If I get the jump on the bear, I win.
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hmm dunno, got a S&W 500 revolver .50 caliber and other rifles and interesting guns, the guns definitly big enough if i dont kill it it least it will be really deaf. or ill be really deaf and pull a rabbit foot out of my ass, my family has a habit of that, and surviving things we really shouldn't.
I'm trained to drive a car, and I once saw an ad that called car keys and alcohol a loaded weapon, and I've also heard that people talking on their cell phones while driving drive as poorly as drunk drivers, and I used to talk on my phone while driving on rare occasions back when it was legal, therefore by the transitive property, I should be dropped into this scenario in the drivers seat of my 2007 Honda Odyssey LX with my android based smart phone, so after I put on my seat belt, adjust the mirrors, find something good on the radio and call up my friend Scott to talk about my latest idea for an EDH deck, all I need to do when I see the bear is keep my hands on 10 and 2 and bear-ace for impact! Then I'd also back over it a couple times to make sure it's actually "defeated" while telling Scott "dude I totally just hit a bear! No! I'm swear I'm serious man I'll text you a picture of it even!".
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I'd almost feel bad. The bear never even had a chance.
Considering I never leave the house with out my sword cane (bad knee) and am pretty damn good with it, I think it's safe to say that it's a tie. Except that a lot of the fencers in magic have first or double strike. Maybe I'll win and have to hunt down the sadist that tried to maul me via proxy.
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Folks, you seem to forget,
Bullet's have a lot less mass and weight than an axe...
and BTW, I don't expect the bear to just sit there and wail in pain, I expect to be up close REPEATEDLY STABBING the thing wherever I can... Multiple lacerations and puncture wounds bleeding out, I could make the bear BLEED to death...
Bleeding out the bear couldn't possibly travel that quickly, giving me enough time to set up for a few axe-throws. I'm betting I could stick a few axes into its' flesh. Yeah, i was kinda exaggerating sticking one in its' skull, but still. Flesh = Weaker than bone.
Plus, I have more than just the halberd, Knives, Swords, Maces... Oh my... Weapons built specifically to BREAK BONES, shatter shields, etc.
if someone's saying a 2/4 wizard could beat the bear, I'm pretty sure 3/2 first strike wins.
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A .50 BMG is considerably smaller than the axe-head of a halberd or an axe. A .50 BMG also happens to be more than capable of blowing through steel plates used as armor by military vehicles and many inches of concrete. Can your halberd do the same?
And my point is that a real-life grizzly bear will kill you in a single swipe, or at the very least break several bones and completely pulverize your muscles. I think that would prevent you from doing anymore than a stab or two.
And a dominarian bear is pictured to be breaking redwood trees in half in a single swipe. What do you think that'll do to your body?
You completely ignore the agency of the bear. You expect it to do nothing while you repeatedly stab it. You ignore the premise that the bear is out to murder you. This really is the problem I have with everyone who thinks they're a bad-ass. All they do is think about what they'll do and not what the opposing party will do. You'll stab the bear? Great, I'm sure you can. But what will the bear do? Nothing? Nope. It'll be aiming for your neck with its jaws, but before that it'll have at least hit you once with its paws that are the size of dinner plates and will have placed its entire body-weight onto you in a charge so that you are pinned. Do you honestly expect a human can survive that?
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is not out to murder your ass? If you're extremely skilled/knowledgeable about hunting bears and with the right tools (which are not halberds, btw), then maybe.
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is out to murder your ass? No. 10 men won't be able to kill that unless they have high-powered rifles.
And you're expecting that I'll just sit there and take that?! Excuse me while
Can you kill a grizzly bear that is out to murder your ass? No. 10 men won't I
Seriously, you think i'm just going to sit there and LET the bear hit me with those claws?
I fully expect my halberd to not do that much, If I can get a good stab with it, and lodge it in between some of the bear's bones, it can make it VERY AWKWARD for the bear to move, ever try to walk on all-fours when there's a 8ft Halberd sticking out of you? It might not fully impale the bear, but it'll cause enough damage to slow it down, ergo giving me the perfect time to kill the bear, and yeah, I fully expect the thing to swing at me whilst I try to kill it... Go ahead, stretch out those claws, I'll break the bones in them while you try to swipe me.
Strategy is necessary when taking on a foe that is larger and stronger than you.
I'm not the strongest man in the world, but, I'm an excellent tactician. Given the tools i'd have on me, I could easily take down a bear.
The bear charges me, I have the halberd placed in the ground standing up, I pretend to be holding it, the bear lunges, I leap out of the way and voila, the bear gets a halberd sticking out of its' chest and I get the time and maneuverability to break its' bones or kill it how I see fit...
I'm fully expecting the bear to try to kill me. Except I'm smarter than the bear, therefore I'm deadlier.
Brains > Brawn...
Plus, with Guns, you're also talking about piercing damage, which is a lot less deadly to a bear than concussive force. Think about the difference between having a bullet shot through you and being hit with a War-Mace. One is meant to pierce through its' target at long distance, the other is meant to break bones in close-quarters combat.
Apples and oranges.
My goal is to tire out the bear enough so I can move in and kill it.
Most of the time in real life, when people die to grizzlies, they're not expecting anything to happen, really.
Here, I anticipate, I expect to be attacked, therefore I can react accordingly and survive.
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You remind me of a guy I knew in Grade 8. He was a black belt in taekwondo and was getting picked on by some bullies. He threatened to use his taekwondo skillz on them. One of the bigger bullies laughed and said he'd like to see that, so they set up the standard meet at the bike racks after school. The taekwondo black belt got the **** kicked out of him.
Moral of the story is, size matters. A lot. You think your halberd is going to be staying in your hands while you stab this monster that's three times your weight? No. You're going to stab it, it's going to be injured, then the bear's momentum is going to crush you. The end.
But, because its more fun to discuss these things:
1) What a bullet lacks in mass/size compared to an axe, it more than makes up for in hydrostatic shock.
2) Hydrostatic shock, not to mention the bullet's energy via velocity and its range advantage, are the reasons why bear hunters rely on firearms over medieval weapons.
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You think you can break a bear's bones with a mace. Clearly you do not how your very weapon works.
Hell, you do not understand how force works.
You think you can out-maneuver and tire out a bear.
You think you can dodge a swipe from a bear for Christ's sake.
I give up. Enjoy your delusions. I really hope you never run into a bear irl.
(Not taking sides, just touching on a point)
Size does matter.. But only to a limited extent.
Can you verify he was actually a black belt?
When I started in MMA I weighed 190ish at 6'2. A 5'6 140 pounder put a beat down on me.
After being trained (weighing 220 now though) it is incredibly easy to pick on bigger people.
(However, if we're talking 200 pounds vs 130 pounds, and the big guy is in mount, then it's over.. Most of the time)
Check out Keith Hackney vs Emmanuel Yarbrough. But no, I'm not saying get in a boxing match with a bear. You will lose.
As for me, we'd probably both live. I'd use my paracord bracelets to help get me up a tree. Maybe put some snares around it to deter or annoy the bear. As I go up, maybe prepare some branches to break if he tries to come up, have my knifes and other blades handy to swing at his face if he does come up...Unless doing a few IDPA matches means I get a .40. Then it's bear dinner.
And someone who was smaller than me initially kicked my ass at judo. After 3-4 months, I kicked her ass.
I'm going to assume your case came from anything that involved the ground game, or the fellow would take you down instead of doing strictly stand-up.
It's a given that grappling comes down to skill moreso than strength and size, unless you're considerably stronger than the other fellow. But all that proves is that you need great strength in order to outright overpower people in grappling.
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Sparring is different from true, or even competition, fighting. You are taught not to press your weight while sparring because you do not learn or practice proper technique. Ergo, being larger does not necessarily do much. In an actual fight, everything goes, and size is far, far more important.
All aspects. Was just too fast on his feet for me to handle. Would land jabs the second my hand moved to strike. Sweet combos. Evaded my takedowns because he was quick. When it got to the ground I was shaking armbars until I got choked.
You act like a bear is this LIGHTNING fast UBER QUICK MMA fighter...
You're clearly the delusional one.
BTW, did anyone even READ my strategy for taking down a bear with a halberd?
Step 1: Find bear
Step 2: Make sure there's enough distance between you and bear for Bear to get running speed.
Step 3: Plant the base of the halberd into the ground and stand there, holding the weapon ready while the bear charges.
Step 4: When bear is right upon you and you he's not really slowing down, you jump to the side when the bear lunges at you and instead of getting you, it gets a chestful-of Halbard/pike. Essentially having the thing stuck inside of it. It might not die immediately, but it's been severely wounded, to the point where it's movement slows down immensely. enough to where I could dodge any kind of swipe it made. Blood Loss is definately not fun dude... I've seen many animals that get injured and lose a lot of blood act very differently, they move differently, slower, more aloof.
Now, what if I also happened to have a toxic substance on the blade of that weapon too? Maybe metal polish residue gets into the wound, etc.
One way or another, that bear is going down and it's not taking me with it...
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Do you not know of the documented stories worldwide of bears responding to physical injuries including close-up gunshot wounds to the head by becoming angrier and killing their attackers? Your method of attack is a fairy tale and you would die.
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Speaking of which, by mtg standards a barbarian halberdier is 3/1, 3R with first strike. Can kill bear. Hopefully no one ever has to test that in a real life situation, no matter how much medieval weapons training they have.
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I'd almost feel bad. The bear never even had a chance.
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