No, he was right, when they come into play, planeswalkers double their counters, just like Fertilid and friends. It does not double the counters placed on it by their abilities since those are the cost of their abilities.
So then your saying that the gaining of loyalty due to the planeswalker coming into play counts as an effect? Cause that is the only way I can think of that a planeswalker would qualify to get additional counters when it comes into play.
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -- Varsuvius, Order of the Stick
Planeswalkers have a built-in replacement effect that modifies how they enter the battlefield. They enter the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters equal to their printed loyalty. This works exactly the same as a creature that comes into play with a number of +1/+1 counters, despite it having a written p/t of 0/0.
Planeswalkers have a built-in replacement effect that modifies how they enter the battlefield. They enter the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters equal to their printed loyalty. This works exactly the same as a creature that comes into play with a number of +1/+1 counters, despite it having a written p/t of 0/0.
fair enough, I will admit I was wrong. Still doesn't mean that it makes sense to me though...
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"As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero." -- Varsuvius, Order of the Stick
10/1/2005: Doubling Season affects cards that "come into play with" a certain number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would come into play with six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.
But, yeah, doubling season is a little confusing to a lot of people.
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Sig credited to my basic GIMP skills.
There's something about a homemade avvy that makes you feel proud no matter how much it sucks.
10/1/2005: Doubling Season affects cards that "come into play with" a certain number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would come into play with six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.
But, yeah, doubling season is a little confusing to a lot of people.
Doubling Cube is especially confusing to people that don't read the rules.
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"If you don't wear your seatbelt, the police will shoot you in the head."
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
wow... just wow. How could he have missed that? All you have to do it highlight the card and it tells you. He even names the card. I honestly want to know what he thought dark ritual did.
I honestly want to know what he thought dark ritual did.
Dark Ritual makes you play 3 swamps more, of course. It has 3 swamp symbols on it can't you see?!!:mad: If you don't have 3 swamps more in hand, it is pointless to play it. I think people should learn about the rules (esp. about old cards) before they jump into games. It's a shame that a card as simple as dark ritual is not understood clearly. Seriously, why does it have 3 swamp symbols on it if you can't play three swamps in an opponents turn for one swamp? and that is the sole advantage of playing dark ritual.
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Cult of the Succubi Eating Kitten and Brotherhood of Hamsters - Zombie One/Hulking One - Brotherhood of Hamsters disapproves of Damage on the Stack amputation, the corruption of Mythics, and the "Major changes to Extended" in July 2010. You aborted our cards., but we approve of the Modern format. Even if it doesn't ha ve Carrion Feeder or Caller of the Claw in it.
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It is now turn 10 (Fenix)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Fenix untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Fenix draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Fenix> Thinking
Fenix plays Ancient Tomb from Hand
Fenix taps Island
Fenix taps Ancient Tomb
Fenix's life total is now 16 (-2)
Fenix plays Tangle Wire from Hand
<Fenix> Ok?
<System> Player Lost
Tangle Wire will rape your babies and eat your soul.
This one was just sad. His game note was Vintage Serious 2/3 sb.
Here's what happened T1:
SKRules draws 7 cards
Destro draws 7 cards
<SKRules> Thinking
<SKRules> keep
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Destro> kp
SKRules plays Tropical Island from Hand
SKRules plays Mox Emerald from Hand
SKRules taps Tropical Island
SKRules taps Mox Emerald SKRules plays Tarmogoyf from Hand
<SKRules> Ok?
<Destro> ok
<SKRules> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (Destro)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Tarmogoyf is now 0/1
Destro untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Destro draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Destro plays Taiga from Hand
Destro taps Taiga Destro plays Mogg Fanatic from Hand <Destro> Ok? (He draws a red arrow from the Fanatic to my Goyf)
<SKRules> Ok <SKRules> Ok Tarmogoyf is now 1/2
<SKRules> Done?
<Destro> ..
<SKRules> ...
<Destro> kill or leaves
<System> Player Lost
I was afraid of what would happen the moment he played Fanatic. I knew what was coming :S
<Niv> hey hey
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
<Fuia> hi
Niv rolled a 10, using a 20 sided die
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia rolled a 2, using a 20 sided die
<Niv> play
Niv shuffles library
<Fuia> ..
Niv draws 7 cards
Fuia shuffles library Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
<Niv> Keep Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
Niv plays Vivid Creek from Hand
<Fuia> ok
Vivid Creek now has 2 (+2) counters.
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<Niv> Pass priority, end my turn. Fuia draws a card
<Niv> ?
Fuia plays Island from Hand <Niv> extra card?
Fuia taps Island
Fuia plays Ponder from Hand Fuia is looking its Grimorio...
<Niv> ....
Fuia draws a card
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia stops looking its Grimorio...
I just played this. The join note was "T1.5 Serious"
<-------- New Game Started -------->rrrrrru's Security Code: 92F14526 [Extended]
Blackblade_Initiate's Security Code: 808BDD8F [Type 1.5]
It is now turn 1 (Blackblade_Initiate)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
rrrrrru rolled a 1, using a 20 sided die <Blackblade_Initiate> hirrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
Blackblade_Initiate rolled a 18, using a 20 sided die <Blackblade_Initiate> i'll play <rrrrrru> kp
Blackblade_Initiate draws 7 cards <rrrrrru> okBlackblade_Initiate takes a mulligan
Blackblade_Initiate takes a mulligan <Blackblade_Initiate> i'll keep <rrrrrru> ok
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Blackblade_Initiate plays Polluted Delta from Hand
Blackblade_Initiate taps Polluted Delta
Blackblade_Initiate's life total is now 19 (-1)
Blackblade_Initiate sacrifices Polluted Delta
Blackblade_Initiate is looking its Library...
Blackblade_Initiate puts Bayou into play from Library
Blackblade_Initiate shuffles library
Blackblade_Initiate stops looking its Library...
Blackblade_Initiate taps Bayou <rrrrrru> lol <rrrrrru> bb <rrrrrru> its not t1.5 <rrrrrru> alfa <rrrrrru> -.- <Blackblade_Initiate> ? <rrrrrru> **** <rrrrrru> ****ing noob i say t 1.5
<System> Player Lost
Did I miss something? I assume the 1.5 in the join note was a typo.
I love seeing "player lost" right after I drop my win con, its what makes the deck so fun.
<L. E. Viana.> End my turn
It is now turn 13 (Vermillion)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Vermillion untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Vermillion draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion plays Oblivion Ring from Hand (targeting my Barren Glory)
Vermillion flips facedown card over
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Vermillion> gg
Vermillion taps Boros Garrison
Vermillion taps Sacred Foundry
Vermillion taps Mountain
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion plays Apocalypse from Hand
just had this happen...
its hard to really believe people are this oblivious.
saez draws a card (it's the very first turn, he draws a card, so instead of undoing it he removes it from the game for some reason)
saez plays Forest from Hand
saez puts Forest to RFG from Hand
<saez> damn
<saez> sry
saez taps Forest
saez plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
saez taps Llanowar Elves
saez plays Chatter of the Squirrel from Hand
saez puts a 1/1 Squirrel token into play
<saez> Ok?
<Vermillion> no
<Vermillion> considering your elf doesnt have haste <saez> it doesnt need
<Vermillion> lol...
Section 3. Nobody remembers how rules that used to be simple work anymore.
... Section 7. Anyone can make up rules that don't exist or ignore rules that do exist.
So it's been a little bit since I had a MWS Log to post, but that changed just a second ago.
Box o' Rhox taps Nettle Sentinel (Attacking)
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step (I declare my Elvish Visionary as a blocker.)
<Hix360> before dmg
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
Hix360 taps Birds of Paradise
It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
Hix360 plays Path to Exile from Hand
Hix360 puts Elvish Visionary to RFG from Play
Hix360 is looking its Library...
Hix360 puts Plains into play from Library
Hix360 taps Plains
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 stops looking its Library...
<Box o' Rhox> um
Hix360 puts Path to Exile to Graveyard from Play
<Box o' Rhox> sry
<Box o' Rhox> holdon
<Box o' Rhox> it doesnt work like that anymore
<Hix360> ?
<Box o' Rhox> they changed it from M10
<Hix360> I said before damage
<Box o' Rhox> before dmg resolves if theres no longer a blocker, it hits the person
<Hix360> meaning
<Hix360> at the end of the declare blockers step
<Hix360> It's still blocked...
<Box o' Rhox> sry like i said
<Box o' Rhox> its a M10 rule
<Box o' Rhox> that way you cant block & then sack
<Hix360> Dude, I'm a qualified Rules Advisor
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go look it up pls
<Hix360> and I judged the M10 release
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go look it up pls
<Hix360> I know what the m10 changes were
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go look it up pls
<Hix360> you go look it up
<Box o' Rhox> i did
<Hix360> ask on ANY forum
<Hix360> OR
<Box o' Rhox> thats why im tellin you
<Box o' Rhox> uhh forums are worthless, its all ppl (Because the rules were written by Lizards. Get it? Lizards of the Coast... -_- Bad Joke...)
<Hix360> I can go get the comp rules for you
<Hix360> and it'll be a few minutes
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go for it
<Hix360> ok
<Hix360> brb (And not even 5 seconds after I say this...)
Box o' Rhox puts a 0/0 NOOB token into play
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
<Hix360> hahaha
<Hix360> wow
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
<System> Player Lost
greetings... I just got mws to work (had had a lot of trouble before, stupid vista) so I started playing around with it. Got my first funny log right here. I specifically put in my new game tag: "t2, new to mws = ok, friendly, casual/testing" which, to most people, would mean i want a standard friendly game.
Here's the log, bold is the important part, green my commentary:
0:00:00 [jesteranime] <New Game: waiting for opponent>
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime shuffles library
0:00:00 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> I only know the basics of mws. Please be patient.
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime shuffles library
0:00:00 [sam] sam shuffles library
0:00:00 [sam] sam draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [jesteranime] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime's Security Code: 75FAF945 [Type 2] 0:00:00 [jesteranime] sam's Security Code: DB338FE1 [Type 1.5] Here I should have payed attention, but I was too busy doing pregame to see it.
0:00:00 [jesteranime] It is now turn 1 (jesteranime)
0:00:00 [jesteranime] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:03 [jesteranime] jesteranime rolled a 8, using a 20 sided die
0:00:09 [sam] sam shuffles library
0:00:13 [sam] sam puts Flight into play from Library Should have been my first clue >.<
0:00:13 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> hiya Note he doesn't respond to this.
0:00:14 [sam] sam puts Flight to Hand from Play
0:00:17 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:18 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:20 [jesteranime] jesteranime draws 7 cards
0:00:20 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:24 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:26 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:28 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:30 [jesteranime] jesteranime takes a mulligan
0:00:35 [sam] sam rolled a 17, using a 20 sided die
0:00:35 [jesteranime] jesteranime takes a mulligan
0:00:40 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> Keep
0:00:57 [sam] sam takes a mulligan
0:01:09 [sam] sam plays Plains from Hand
0:01:14 [sam] <sam> End my turn It's right about here I start to pay attention big time. Not phasing, even the first turn, is just sloppy.
0:01:18 [jesteranime] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:19 [jesteranime] jesteranime draws a card
0:01:19 [jesteranime] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:23 [jesteranime] jesteranime plays Forest from Hand
0:01:26 [jesteranime] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:01:29 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> End my turn
0:01:33 [sam] sam draws a card If what happened next hadn't happened, I would have told him about phasing.
0:01:37 [sam] sam plays Island from Hand
0:01:37 [sam] sam taps Plains
0:01:38 [sam] sam taps Island 0:01:41 [sam] sam plays Azorius First-Wing from Hand
0:01:43 [sam] <sam> End my turn
0:01:52 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> that t2? I know it wasn't type 2, but I played along to see if it was a mistake.
0:02:48 [sam] <sam> Ok?
0:03:01 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> i was asking if that was a type 2 legal card
0:03:27 [sam] <sam> c a toi de jouer
0:03:43 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> could you translate to english please?
0:04:03 [sam] <sam> you play or no
0:04:26 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> i asked for a type 2 game, so i'm just wondering if that's a type 2 card By now I realized that this was not going to end well...
0:04:54 [sam] <sam> Ok
0:05:11 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> you still haven't answered my question
0:05:36 [sam] <sam> End my turn
0:06:18 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> ok, that is an extended card, i'm looking for a standard match
0:06:37 [sam] <sam> Ok
0:06:54 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> do you know what sets are in standard?
0:07:47 [sam] <Opponent is requesting a new game>
0:00:00 [sam] sam shuffles library
0:00:00 [sam] sam draws 0 cards
It was at this point I hit F2. The program missed a few lines because the new game dialogue came up and his security code hadn't changed. I tried to call him on this when my program froze. I bet I looked like the quitter to him but I'm really not. >.<
EDIT: I figured I'd add this as I'd double post if i didn't. Apparently attacking planeswalkers isn't a kosher thing to do.
Croxas taps Island
Croxas plays Brainstorm from Hand
<Hix360> Wait!
<Hix360> That's not extended.
<Croxas> leave?
<Hix360> No, you leave.
<System> Player Lost
Croxas taps Island
Croxas plays Brainstorm from Hand
<Hix360> Wait!
<Hix360> That's not extended.
<Croxas> leave?
<Hix360> No, you leave.
<System> Player Lost
More like high five. I bet he "fooled" you with Type 1.5 next to his code. That one always gets me too - you can never be certain that they are just using old versions of cards or if they didn't read your game note. Most of the time it is just a false alarm or they don't speak English, love lag, and like people leaving their games.
It has got to the point that I have to tell people where I live to prevent them from joining if they live too far away (LAG). They still join anyways.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
I think he just got mad that my long and drawn out play likley won me the game
0:08:33 [Niv] It is now turn 13 (Niv)
0:08:33 [Niv] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:08:35 [Niv] Niv untaps his/her permanents
0:08:35 [Niv] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:08:39 [Niv] Niv puts Life from the Loam into play from Graveyard
0:08:41 [Niv] Niv puts Manabond to Graveyard from Library
0:08:42 [Niv] Niv puts Mishra's Factory to Graveyard from Library
0:08:44 [Niv] Niv puts Forest to Graveyard from Library
0:08:47 [Niv] Niv puts Manabond to Hand from Play
0:08:59 [Niv] Niv plays Manabond from Hand
0:09:01 [Niv] <Niv> sry
0:09:05 [Denis] <Denis> Ok
0:09:10 [Niv] Niv taps Riftstone Portal
0:09:11 [Niv] Niv taps Tranquil Thicket
0:09:21 [Niv] Niv puts Forest to Hand from Graveyard
0:09:21 [Niv] Niv puts Mishra's Factory to Hand from Graveyard
0:09:21 [Niv] Niv puts Forgotten Cave to Hand from Graveyard
0:09:22 [Denis] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:09:25 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:09:26 [Niv] Niv untaps Barbarian Ring
0:09:27 [Niv] Niv taps Taiga
0:09:30 [Niv] Niv reveals a Forgotten Cave 0:09:32 [Niv] Niv plays Forgotten Cave from Hand (Cycled)
0:09:36 [Niv] Niv puts Windswept Heath to Graveyard from Library
0:09:38 [Niv] Niv puts Tranquil Thicket to Graveyard from Library
0:09:39 [Niv] Niv puts Exploration to Graveyard from Library
0:09:43 [Niv] Niv puts Life from the Loam to Hand from Play
0:09:45 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Forgotten Cave
0:09:47 [Niv] Niv taps Tranquil Thicket
0:09:48 [Niv] Niv taps Rishadan Port
0:09:49 [Niv] Niv plays Life from the Loam from Hand
0:09:51 [Denis] Denis reveals a Force of Will
0:09:53 [Denis] Denis hides card in library
0:09:53 [Niv] <Niv> Ok
0:09:54 [Denis] <Denis> Ok
0:10:02 [Niv] Niv puts Forgotten Cave to Hand from Graveyard
0:10:02 [Niv] Niv puts Tranquil Thicket to Hand from Graveyard
0:10:02 [Niv] Niv puts Wooded Foothills to Hand from Graveyard
0:10:04 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Life from the Loam
0:10:10 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:10:11 [Niv] Niv untaps Barbarian Ring
0:10:12 [Niv] Niv taps Taiga
0:10:15 [Niv] Niv is cycling Forgotten Cave
0:10:21 [Niv] Niv is looking its Sideboard...
0:10:28 [Niv] Niv stops looking its Sideboard...
0:10:31 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:10:36 [Niv] Niv's life total is now 4 (-1)
0:10:38 [Niv] Niv taps Mishra's Factory
0:10:40 [Niv] Niv plays Burning Wish from Hand
0:10:41 [Niv] <Niv> Ok?
0:10:43 [Denis] <Denis> Ok
0:10:47 [Niv] Niv is looking its Sideboard...
0:10:51 [Niv] Niv puts Devastating Dreams into play from Sideboard
0:10:52 [Niv] Niv stops looking its Sideboard...
0:10:55 [Niv] Niv puts Devastating Dreams to Hand from Play
0:10:57 [Niv] Niv puts Burning Wish to RFG from Play
0:11:04 [Niv] <Niv> Thinking
0:11:17 [Niv] Niv taps Treetop Village
0:11:20 [Niv] Niv plays Tranquil Thicket from Hand
0:11:22 [Niv] Niv puts Life from the Loam into play from Graveyard
0:11:25 [Niv] Niv puts Maze of Ith to Graveyard from Library
0:11:26 [Niv] Niv puts Burning Wish to Graveyard from Library
0:11:28 [Niv] Niv puts Taiga to Graveyard from Library
0:11:32 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Tranquil Thicket
0:11:34 [Niv] Niv taps Treetop Village
0:11:35 [Niv] Niv taps Rishadan Port
0:11:45 [Niv] Niv puts Taiga to Hand from Graveyard
0:11:45 [Niv] Niv puts Maze of Ith to Hand from Graveyard
0:11:45 [Niv] Niv puts Windswept Heath to Hand from Graveyard
0:11:48 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Life from the Loam
0:11:50 [Niv] Niv plays Taiga from Hand
0:11:50 [Niv] Niv taps Taiga
0:11:51 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:11:55 [Niv] Niv plays Devastating Dreams from Hand
0:11:57 [Niv] <Niv> 5
0:12:00 [Denis] <Denis> Thinking
0:12:02 [Niv] Niv's life total is now 3 (-1)
0:12:06 [Niv] <Niv> Ok?
0:12:14 [Denis] <Denis> Thinking
0:13:02 [Denis] <Denis> alrdy played a land this turn
0:13:06 [Denis] <Denis> no taiga
0:13:10 [Niv] <Niv> looking
0:13:21 [Denis] <Denis> forgotten cave
0:13:51 [Niv] <Niv> no
0:13:53 [Denis] <Denis> "Niv plays forgotten cave from Hand"
0:13:53 [Niv] <Niv> cycled
0:14:05 [Niv] <Niv> went imeadatally to grave
0:14:13 [Niv] <Niv> no cave in play
0:14:18 [Denis] <Denis> sry thats not i want to play
0:14:21 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
So then your saying that the gaining of loyalty due to the planeswalker coming into play counts as an effect? Cause that is the only way I can think of that a planeswalker would qualify to get additional counters when it comes into play.
fair enough, I will admit I was wrong. Still doesn't mean that it makes sense to me though...
10/1/2005: Doubling Season affects cards that "come into play with" a certain number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would come into play with six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.
But, yeah, doubling season is a little confusing to a lot of people.
Doubling Cube is especially confusing to people that don't read the rules.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
Dark Ritual makes you play 3 swamps more, of course. It has 3 swamp symbols on it can't you see?!!:mad: If you don't have 3 swamps more in hand, it is pointless to play it. I think people should learn about the rules (esp. about old cards) before they jump into games. It's a shame that a card as simple as dark ritual is not understood clearly. Seriously, why does it have 3 swamp symbols on it if you can't play three swamps in an opponents turn for one swamp? and that is the sole advantage of playing dark ritual.
Cult of the Succubi Eating Kitten and Brotherhood of Hamsters - Zombie One/Hulking One - Brotherhood of Hamsters disapproves of Damage on the Stack amputation, the corruption of Mythics,
and the "Major changes to Extended" in July 2010. You aborted our cards., but we approve of the Modern format. Even if it doesn't ha ve Carrion Feeder or Caller of the Claw in it.Dex: http://deckbox.org/users/Egementium_instructoid
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Fenix untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Fenix draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Fenix> Thinking
Fenix plays Ancient Tomb from Hand
Fenix taps Island
Fenix taps Ancient Tomb
Fenix's life total is now 16 (-2)
Fenix plays Tangle Wire from Hand
<Fenix> Ok?
<System> Player Lost
Tangle Wire will rape your babies and eat your soul.
Here's what happened T1:
SKRules draws 7 cards
Destro draws 7 cards
<SKRules> Thinking
<SKRules> keep
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Destro> kp
SKRules plays Tropical Island from Hand
SKRules plays Mox Emerald from Hand
SKRules taps Tropical Island
SKRules taps Mox Emerald
SKRules plays Tarmogoyf from Hand
<SKRules> Ok?
<Destro> ok
<SKRules> End my turn
It is now turn 2 (Destro)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Tarmogoyf is now 0/1
Destro untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Destro draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Destro plays Taiga from Hand
Destro taps Taiga
Destro plays Mogg Fanatic from Hand
<Destro> Ok? (He draws a red arrow from the Fanatic to my Goyf)
<SKRules> Ok
<SKRules> Ok
Tarmogoyf is now 1/2
<SKRules> Done?
<Destro> ..
<SKRules> ...
<Destro> kill or leaves
<System> Player Lost
I was afraid of what would happen the moment he played Fanatic. I knew what was coming :S
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
Niv shuffles library
<Fuia> hi
Niv rolled a 10, using a 20 sided die
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia rolled a 2, using a 20 sided die
<Niv> play
Niv shuffles library
<Fuia> ..
Niv draws 7 cards
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
<Niv> Keep
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
Fuia draws a card
Niv plays Vivid Creek from Hand
<Fuia> ok
Vivid Creek now has 2 (+2) counters.
It is now the End Phase, Cleanup Step
<Niv> Pass priority, end my turn.
Fuia draws a card
<Niv> ?
Fuia plays Island from Hand
<Niv> extra card?
Fuia taps Island
Fuia plays Ponder from Hand
Fuia is looking its Grimorio...
<Niv> ....
Fuia draws a card
Fuia shuffles library
Fuia stops looking its Grimorio...
Wow. so much wrong, I didn't even bother.
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
Blackblade_Initiate's Security Code: 808BDD8F [Type 1.5]
It is now turn 1 (Blackblade_Initiate)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
rrrrrru rolled a 1, using a 20 sided die
<Blackblade_Initiate> hirrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
rrrrrru draws a card
Blackblade_Initiate rolled a 18, using a 20 sided die
<Blackblade_Initiate> i'll play
<rrrrrru> kp
Blackblade_Initiate draws 7 cards
<rrrrrru> okBlackblade_Initiate takes a mulligan
Blackblade_Initiate takes a mulligan
<Blackblade_Initiate> i'll keep
<rrrrrru> ok
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Blackblade_Initiate plays Polluted Delta from Hand
Blackblade_Initiate taps Polluted Delta
Blackblade_Initiate's life total is now 19 (-1)
Blackblade_Initiate sacrifices Polluted Delta
Blackblade_Initiate is looking its Library...
Blackblade_Initiate puts Bayou into play from Library
Blackblade_Initiate shuffles library
Blackblade_Initiate stops looking its Library...
Blackblade_Initiate taps Bayou
<rrrrrru> lol
<rrrrrru> bb
<rrrrrru> its not t1.5
<rrrrrru> alfa
<rrrrrru> -.-
<Blackblade_Initiate> ?
<rrrrrru> ****
<rrrrrru> ****ing noob i say t 1.5
Did I miss something? I assume the 1.5 in the join note was a typo.
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It is now turn 13 (Vermillion)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
Vermillion untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
Vermillion draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion plays Oblivion Ring from Hand (targeting my Barren Glory)
Vermillion flips facedown card over
It is now the Combat Phase, Beginning Of Combat Step
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Vermillion> gg
Vermillion taps Boros Garrison
Vermillion taps Sacred Foundry
Vermillion taps Mountain
Vermillion taps Plains
Vermillion plays Apocalypse from Hand
Reckless Waif; It's the red Delver of Secrets.
its hard to really believe people are this oblivious.
saez plays Forest from Hand
saez puts Forest to RFG from Hand
<saez> damn
<saez> sry
saez taps Forest
saez plays Llanowar Elves from Hand
saez taps Llanowar Elves
saez plays Chatter of the Squirrel from Hand
saez puts a 1/1 Squirrel token into play
<saez> Ok?
<Vermillion> no
<Vermillion> considering your elf doesnt have haste
<saez> it doesnt need
<Vermillion> lol...
WUT
Reckless Waif; It's the red Delver of Secrets.
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step (I declare my Elvish Visionary as a blocker.)
<Hix360> before dmg
It is now the Postcombat Main Phase
Hix360 taps Birds of Paradise
It is now the Combat Phase, Combat Damage Step
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
Hix360 plays Path to Exile from Hand
Hix360 puts Elvish Visionary to RFG from Play
Hix360 is looking its Library...
Hix360 puts Plains into play from Library
Hix360 taps Plains
Hix360 shuffles library
Hix360 stops looking its Library...
<Box o' Rhox> um
Hix360 puts Path to Exile to Graveyard from Play
<Box o' Rhox> sry
<Box o' Rhox> holdon
<Box o' Rhox> it doesnt work like that anymore
<Hix360> ?
<Box o' Rhox> they changed it from M10
<Hix360> I said before damage
<Box o' Rhox> before dmg resolves if theres no longer a blocker, it hits the person
<Hix360> meaning
<Hix360> at the end of the declare blockers step
<Hix360> It's still blocked...
<Box o' Rhox> sry like i said
<Box o' Rhox> its a M10 rule
<Box o' Rhox> that way you cant block & then sack
<Hix360> Dude, I'm a qualified Rules Advisor
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go look it up pls
<Hix360> and I judged the M10 release
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go look it up pls
<Hix360> I know what the m10 changes were
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go look it up pls
<Hix360> you go look it up
<Box o' Rhox> i did
<Hix360> ask on ANY forum
<Hix360> OR
<Box o' Rhox> thats why im tellin you
<Box o' Rhox> uhh forums are worthless, its all ppl (Because the rules were written by Lizards. Get it? Lizards of the Coast... -_- Bad Joke...)
<Hix360> I can go get the comp rules for you
<Hix360> and it'll be a few minutes
<Box o' Rhox> ok
<Box o' Rhox> go for it
<Hix360> ok
<Hix360> brb (And not even 5 seconds after I say this...)
Box o' Rhox puts a 0/0 NOOB token into play
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
Box o' Rhox duplicates NOOB
<Hix360> hahaha
<Hix360> wow
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
Hix360 is now the controller of NOOB
<System> Player Lost
Release Events are REL-Absolutely Nothing, so anyone can "Judge" one.
REALLY? So I could judge one without being a Rules Advisor or a Judge? Cause I don't think that would be fair to the players
Here's the log, bold is the important part, green my commentary:
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime shuffles library
0:00:00 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> I only know the basics of mws. Please be patient.
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime shuffles library
0:00:00 [sam] sam shuffles library
0:00:00 [sam] sam draws 0 cards
0:00:00 [jesteranime] <-------- New Game Started -------->
0:00:00 [jesteranime] jesteranime's Security Code: 75FAF945 [Type 2]
0:00:00 [jesteranime] sam's Security Code: DB338FE1 [Type 1.5] Here I should have payed attention, but I was too busy doing pregame to see it.
0:00:00 [jesteranime] It is now turn 1 (jesteranime)
0:00:00 [jesteranime] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:00:03 [jesteranime] jesteranime rolled a 8, using a 20 sided die
0:00:09 [sam] sam shuffles library
0:00:13 [sam] sam puts Flight into play from Library Should have been my first clue >.<
0:00:13 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> hiya Note he doesn't respond to this.
0:00:14 [sam] sam puts Flight to Hand from Play
0:00:17 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:18 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:20 [jesteranime] jesteranime draws 7 cards
0:00:20 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:24 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:26 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:28 [sam] sam draws a card
0:00:30 [jesteranime] jesteranime takes a mulligan
0:00:35 [sam] sam rolled a 17, using a 20 sided die
0:00:35 [jesteranime] jesteranime takes a mulligan
0:00:40 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> Keep
0:00:57 [sam] sam takes a mulligan
0:01:09 [sam] sam plays Plains from Hand
0:01:14 [sam] <sam> End my turn It's right about here I start to pay attention big time. Not phasing, even the first turn, is just sloppy.
0:01:18 [jesteranime] It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
0:01:19 [jesteranime] jesteranime draws a card
0:01:19 [jesteranime] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:01:23 [jesteranime] jesteranime plays Forest from Hand
0:01:26 [jesteranime] It is now the End Phase, End Of Turn Step
0:01:29 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> End my turn
0:01:33 [sam] sam draws a card If what happened next hadn't happened, I would have told him about phasing.
0:01:37 [sam] sam plays Island from Hand
0:01:37 [sam] sam taps Plains
0:01:38 [sam] sam taps Island
0:01:41 [sam] sam plays Azorius First-Wing from Hand
0:01:43 [sam] <sam> End my turn
0:01:52 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> that t2? I know it wasn't type 2, but I played along to see if it was a mistake.
0:02:48 [sam] <sam> Ok?
0:03:01 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> i was asking if that was a type 2 legal card
0:03:27 [sam] <sam> c a toi de jouer
0:03:43 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> could you translate to english please?
0:04:03 [sam] <sam> you play or no
0:04:26 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> i asked for a type 2 game, so i'm just wondering if that's a type 2 card By now I realized that this was not going to end well...
0:04:54 [sam] <sam> Ok
0:05:11 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> you still haven't answered my question
0:05:36 [sam] <sam> End my turn
0:06:18 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> ok, that is an extended card, i'm looking for a standard match
0:06:37 [sam] <sam> Ok
0:06:54 [jesteranime] <jesteranime> do you know what sets are in standard?
0:07:47 [sam] <Opponent is requesting a new game>
0:00:00 [sam] sam shuffles library
0:00:00 [sam] sam draws 0 cards
It was at this point I hit F2. The program missed a few lines because the new game dialogue came up and his security code hadn't changed. I tried to call him on this when my program froze. I bet I looked like the quitter to him but I'm really not. >.<
EDIT: I figured I'd add this as I'd double post if i didn't. Apparently attacking planeswalkers isn't a kosher thing to do.
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I judged at nationals without any qualifications apart from they trusted me.
Croxas taps Island
Croxas plays Brainstorm from Hand
<Hix360> Wait!
<Hix360> That's not extended.
<Croxas> leave?
<Hix360> No, you leave.
<System> Player Lost
More like high five. I bet he "fooled" you with Type 1.5 next to his code. That one always gets me too - you can never be certain that they are just using old versions of cards or if they didn't read your game note. Most of the time it is just a false alarm or they don't speak English, love lag, and like people leaving their games.
It has got to the point that I have to tell people where I live to prevent them from joining if they live too far away (LAG). They still join anyways.
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
0:08:33 [Niv] It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
0:08:35 [Niv] Niv untaps his/her permanents
0:08:35 [Niv] It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
0:08:39 [Niv] Niv puts Life from the Loam into play from Graveyard
0:08:41 [Niv] Niv puts Manabond to Graveyard from Library
0:08:42 [Niv] Niv puts Mishra's Factory to Graveyard from Library
0:08:44 [Niv] Niv puts Forest to Graveyard from Library
0:08:47 [Niv] Niv puts Manabond to Hand from Play
0:08:59 [Niv] Niv plays Manabond from Hand
0:09:01 [Niv] <Niv> sry
0:09:05 [Denis] <Denis> Ok
0:09:10 [Niv] Niv taps Riftstone Portal
0:09:11 [Niv] Niv taps Tranquil Thicket
0:09:21 [Niv] Niv puts Forest to Hand from Graveyard
0:09:21 [Niv] Niv puts Mishra's Factory to Hand from Graveyard
0:09:21 [Niv] Niv puts Forgotten Cave to Hand from Graveyard
0:09:22 [Denis] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:09:25 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:09:26 [Niv] Niv untaps Barbarian Ring
0:09:27 [Niv] Niv taps Taiga
0:09:30 [Niv] Niv reveals a Forgotten Cave
0:09:32 [Niv] Niv plays Forgotten Cave from Hand (Cycled)
0:09:36 [Niv] Niv puts Windswept Heath to Graveyard from Library
0:09:38 [Niv] Niv puts Tranquil Thicket to Graveyard from Library
0:09:39 [Niv] Niv puts Exploration to Graveyard from Library
0:09:43 [Niv] Niv puts Life from the Loam to Hand from Play
0:09:45 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Forgotten Cave
0:09:47 [Niv] Niv taps Tranquil Thicket
0:09:48 [Niv] Niv taps Rishadan Port
0:09:49 [Niv] Niv plays Life from the Loam from Hand
0:09:51 [Denis] Denis reveals a Force of Will
0:09:53 [Denis] Denis hides card in library
0:09:53 [Niv] <Niv> Ok
0:09:54 [Denis] <Denis> Ok
0:10:02 [Niv] Niv puts Forgotten Cave to Hand from Graveyard
0:10:02 [Niv] Niv puts Tranquil Thicket to Hand from Graveyard
0:10:02 [Niv] Niv puts Wooded Foothills to Hand from Graveyard
0:10:04 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Life from the Loam
0:10:10 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:10:11 [Niv] Niv untaps Barbarian Ring
0:10:12 [Niv] Niv taps Taiga
0:10:15 [Niv] Niv is cycling Forgotten Cave
0:10:21 [Niv] Niv is looking its Sideboard...
0:10:28 [Niv] Niv stops looking its Sideboard...
0:10:31 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:10:36 [Niv] Niv's life total is now 4 (-1)
0:10:38 [Niv] Niv taps Mishra's Factory
0:10:40 [Niv] Niv plays Burning Wish from Hand
0:10:41 [Niv] <Niv> Ok?
0:10:43 [Denis] <Denis> Ok
0:10:47 [Niv] Niv is looking its Sideboard...
0:10:51 [Niv] Niv puts Devastating Dreams into play from Sideboard
0:10:52 [Niv] Niv stops looking its Sideboard...
0:10:55 [Niv] Niv puts Devastating Dreams to Hand from Play
0:10:57 [Niv] Niv puts Burning Wish to RFG from Play
0:11:04 [Niv] <Niv> Thinking
0:11:17 [Niv] Niv taps Treetop Village
0:11:20 [Niv] Niv plays Tranquil Thicket from Hand
0:11:22 [Niv] Niv puts Life from the Loam into play from Graveyard
0:11:25 [Niv] Niv puts Maze of Ith to Graveyard from Library
0:11:26 [Niv] Niv puts Burning Wish to Graveyard from Library
0:11:28 [Niv] Niv puts Taiga to Graveyard from Library
0:11:32 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Tranquil Thicket
0:11:34 [Niv] Niv taps Treetop Village
0:11:35 [Niv] Niv taps Rishadan Port
0:11:45 [Niv] Niv puts Taiga to Hand from Graveyard
0:11:45 [Niv] Niv puts Maze of Ith to Hand from Graveyard
0:11:45 [Niv] Niv puts Windswept Heath to Hand from Graveyard
0:11:48 [Niv] Niv sacrifices Life from the Loam
0:11:50 [Niv] Niv plays Taiga from Hand
0:11:50 [Niv] Niv taps Taiga
0:11:51 [Niv] Niv taps Barbarian Ring
0:11:55 [Niv] Niv plays Devastating Dreams from Hand
0:11:57 [Niv] <Niv> 5
0:12:00 [Denis] <Denis> Thinking
0:12:02 [Niv] Niv's life total is now 3 (-1)
0:12:06 [Niv] <Niv> Ok?
0:12:14 [Denis] <Denis> Thinking
0:13:02 [Denis] <Denis> alrdy played a land this turn
0:13:06 [Denis] <Denis> no taiga
0:13:10 [Niv] <Niv> looking
0:13:21 [Denis] <Denis> forgotten cave
0:13:51 [Niv] <Niv> no
0:13:53 [Denis] <Denis> "Niv plays forgotten cave from Hand"
0:13:53 [Niv] <Niv> cycled
0:14:05 [Niv] <Niv> went imeadatally to grave
0:14:13 [Niv] <Niv> no cave in play
0:14:18 [Denis] <Denis> sry thats not i want to play
0:14:21 [<System>] <System> Player Lost
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC