Okay people, here we are to create your characters. First off, I reccomend myth-weavers.com to host your sheets, it is greatly preffered by me as I so dislike reading forum-text-based sheets.
Please read the following list for my rulings
1)DnD 3.5, 3.0 things on request.
2)Standard campaign setting, with published adventures.
3)5 Players
4)Starting ECL 6, Gestalt
5)Starting wealth is 13000gp
6)Standard class allowance, with certain PrCs banned on mention (like 7)Dweomerkeeper, Incantatrix, Planar Shepard, etc.) Setting requirements removed, flavour requirements usually removed but recommended.
8)Standard races allowed
9)Ability Scores: Two sets of 5d6b3, seven times, choose the best one (and six); you may raise the highest stat to an 18 if it isn't already.
10)Health points are max first level, average for others.
11)No evil characters, please.
12)No multiclassing penalties, but no dual-progression prestige classes, such as Mystic Theruge.
13)Rolling should be done in spoilers.
14)I would like a backstory and description of your character, but you are not required to write more than a paragraph or two.
Most rules are allowed, but ask before assuming it's okay. You may take up to two flaws, if they effect you (i.e. no archers taking -2 melee attack flaw)
15)Make sure to mention where your gear, feats, spells, etc. are coming from.
Go go go! Make sure to ask me if you need anything!
The spread is thus 16-15-14-14-14-12 from the first set, as opposed to 16-14-14-14-13-12 from the second. Rounding up to 18, this gives me an 18-15-14-14-14-12 set of rolls to play with--much tougher than my standard character.
I'll dig around for a while before I choose. Are fire gnomes legal, and do they really have a level adjustment? The book says one way, but crystalkeep says the other.
Not 100% sure how die rolls work forum code wise(I do know that the rolls in 'Preview Post' are not the same values when you actually post, and the Editing a post changes the rolls). I'll just roll, and figure out the rest later(to avoid double posting).
That said, I'll wait a bit to see what classes other people choose, and fill in the role that's most needed afterwards.
Aw... but I wanted to sneak attack on a horse... (kidding.)
Let me describe what I want to play. I want a class that can be useful to the party in and out of combat. Honestly, a rogue or bard by himself would work, but I want to try this "gestalt" thing.
I want to be savvy and useful with puzzles and people, which is what attracts me to a rogue or bard. But... knight would make me harder to kill, giving me a juicy D12 hit die.
A friend suggested bard/barbarian, but that doesn't quite suit me...
Any ideas, guys?
I'll still do rogue/knight if losing sneak attack is worth it.
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I'll be sad if people don't start calling The Chain Veil "Fleetwood Mac."
Warblade, if you don't mind being a powerful class and hopefully not breaking it. Good intelligence synergy, too, in a warblade/rogue.
Eh... warblade sounds a little... testosterony? for me. I'm not really an "I live for battle!!" kind of guy. I can see how a warblade/rogue would be great in combat, though.
I'm also not seeing anything in the rogue class that suggests that I can't use sneak attack as a knight or as lawful good. Can you find a reference for that?
I'm talking to my old DM about lawful good... the way she's describing lawful good, it makes it sound like LG's have to be psychotic. I know LG paladins are usually annoying, but they're paladins. Would an LG knight really have to be a crazy zealot? Are there degrees of LG?
Maybe I should just pick a class where I don't have to worry so much about alignment and can just be a sane person.
its not the rogue class. You cannot gain flanking bonus or attack a flat-footed opponent without breaking your code of honor.
Ah. Alright, I think Knight has to go. I want to be neutral good or chaotic good.
Okay, unless there are objections, I'm playing a Neutral Good Bard/Soulknife. That's pretty much exactly what I want. I can roleplay as a bard, but have a fairly simple HD10 class to keep me alive and give me a few more tricks in combat.
Sounds good? I'm willing to reconsider if anyone is like "do NOT do that," but it seems like a good choice for me and for the party.
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I'll be sad if people don't start calling The Chain Veil "Fleetwood Mac."
It does sound good. Another possibility, though-bard/paladin of freedom. Its basically regular paladin, though with a couple of things turned around and chaotic good as the alignment required.
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Lawful Good... that stereotype is the Lawful-stupid paladin who hates his party because they do illegal/immoral things. Lawful Good does not have to be psychotic, you just have to respect order and good, but that's about it. You can still associate with chaotic people, or evil people. Don't feel that alignment is a constricting archetype, think of alignment as a simple stepping stone to your PC personality.
Oh, forgot to mention, but you can ask to break alignment restrictions for classes, but it isn't automatic. For example, I allow chaotic monks and lawful bards, Paladins can be within one alignment step of their normal limit (with the variants allowed)
If anyone does play the LG-stupid archetype (or stupid of any alignment) they should expect discipline. Attempting to steal from party members usually allows the laws of random chance (and less-random chance) to kick you in the butt. Just sayin'
Well, all I know so far is I want to play some sort of blaster mage. Unfortunately, there isn't anything like the Pathfinder sorcerer (dragon bloodline) in regular D&D. Is anyone thinking of being a healer of any kind? Becuase if not, I may help out on that front.
Two normal classes. They don't stack exactly, but you get the best stuff from each of them (both their skillsets are class skills, you get the hitpoints from whichever one provides more, same with saves, and you get all the special abilities from each.)
Lawful Good... that stereotype is the Lawful-stupid paladin who hates his party because they do illegal/immoral things. Lawful Good does not have to be psychotic, you just have to respect order and good, but that's about it. You can still associate with chaotic people, or evil people. Don't feel that alignment is a constricting archetype, think of alignment as a simple stepping stone to your PC personality.
Oh, forgot to mention, but you can ask to break alignment restrictions for classes, but it isn't automatic. For example, I allow chaotic monks and lawful bards, Paladins can be within one alignment step of their normal limit (with the variants allowed)
If anyone does play the LG-stupid archetype (or stupid of any alignment) they should expect discipline. Attempting to steal from party members usually allows the laws of random chance (and less-random chance) to kick you in the butt. Just sayin'
Ah. It's nice to see that we see eye-to-eye on LG. Probably because we both read OOTS.
I was (past tense) thinking about doing a lawful good bard/knight and asking you if that was okay, but I'm actually quite happy with the way my bard/soulknife is looking.
I was of the understanding that NA was going to play some sort of blaster. I had actually planned a more gish/utility caster, but if we need me in blaster role I'm more than happy to oblige (though sad that I can't take my usual favorite caster prestige because it's dual progression).
Actually, a question-if I combine a dual progression casting class with a class that has *no* caster progression for its levels, can I use it? I mainly want ultimate magus for the metamagic abilities, not to cheat stack my caster levels entirely unfairly.
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Actually, a question-if I combine a dual progression casting class with a class that has *no* caster progression for its levels, can I use it? I mainly want ultimate magus for the metamagic abilities, not to cheat stack my caster levels entirely unfairly.
When I get to my books, I'll check. It's possible that I could make it a single-class progression class with the modifications to abilities and requirements.
I think what I'll do is make a dragon shaman/sorcerer or /warmage, depending. If Shinen can handle non-damage type casting (haste and glitterdust and whatnot) I'll just be half warmage. I should have my character ready in a day or so either way.
Please read the following list for my rulings
1)DnD 3.5, 3.0 things on request.
2)Standard campaign setting, with published adventures.
3)5 Players
4)Starting ECL 6, Gestalt
5)Starting wealth is 13000gp
6)Standard class allowance, with certain PrCs banned on mention (like 7)Dweomerkeeper, Incantatrix, Planar Shepard, etc.) Setting requirements removed, flavour requirements usually removed but recommended.
8)Standard races allowed
9)Ability Scores: Two sets of 5d6b3, seven times, choose the best one (and six); you may raise the highest stat to an 18 if it isn't already.
10)Health points are max first level, average for others.
11)No evil characters, please.
12)No multiclassing penalties, but no dual-progression prestige classes, such as Mystic Theruge.
13)Rolling should be done in spoilers.
14)I would like a backstory and description of your character, but you are not required to write more than a paragraph or two.
Most rules are allowed, but ask before assuming it's okay. You may take up to two flaws, if they effect you (i.e. no archers taking -2 melee attack flaw)
15)Make sure to mention where your gear, feats, spells, etc. are coming from.
Go go go! Make sure to ask me if you need anything!
Okay, so that's...14/14/14/12/10/12/11-14/14/14/12/12/11.
Or...
18/17/17/15/12/11/10-18/17/17/15/12/11.
Looks like I'm going with the second one.
Don't know what, exactly, but I'm probably going to fulfill some sort of caster roll.
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
Modern
WWWHatebearsWWW
I'll dig around for a while before I choose. Are fire gnomes legal, and do they really have a level adjustment? The book says one way, but crystalkeep says the other.
That said, I'll wait a bit to see what classes other people choose, and fill in the role that's most needed afterwards.
(Siggy adapted, DarkHunter1357 (deviantART))
Also, as I've said, this is my first forum DnD game, sooo if I'm doing anything terrible in character creation, let me know.
I'm kind of feeling, like... some kind of bard. Gestalt means that we are simulataneously two classes without multiclassing, right?
Maybe I'll be a bard/knight, and basically be a harder-to-kill bard. Anyone have opinions on that?
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Edit: Erg. Rolled 6 times instead of 7.
Or
13/15/9/15/14/15/11-18/15/15/14/13/11
First one, so 18/16/16/15/15/14.
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
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WWWHatebearsWWW
Ironically, this means that I'll be playing a Lawful Good Rogue Knight.
You realize you can't sneak attack then, right?
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
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WWWHatebearsWWW
Aw... but I wanted to sneak attack on a horse... (kidding.)
Let me describe what I want to play. I want a class that can be useful to the party in and out of combat. Honestly, a rogue or bard by himself would work, but I want to try this "gestalt" thing.
I want to be savvy and useful with puzzles and people, which is what attracts me to a rogue or bard. But... knight would make me harder to kill, giving me a juicy D12 hit die.
A friend suggested bard/barbarian, but that doesn't quite suit me...
Any ideas, guys?
I'll still do rogue/knight if losing sneak attack is worth it.
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
Modern
WWWHatebearsWWW
Eh... warblade sounds a little... testosterony? for me. I'm not really an "I live for battle!!" kind of guy. I can see how a warblade/rogue would be great in combat, though.
I'm also not seeing anything in the rogue class that suggests that I can't use sneak attack as a knight or as lawful good. Can you find a reference for that?
I'm talking to my old DM about lawful good... the way she's describing lawful good, it makes it sound like LG's have to be psychotic. I know LG paladins are usually annoying, but they're paladins. Would an LG knight really have to be a crazy zealot? Are there degrees of LG?
Maybe I should just pick a class where I don't have to worry so much about alignment and can just be a sane person.
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
Modern
WWWHatebearsWWW
Ah. Alright, I think Knight has to go. I want to be neutral good or chaotic good.
Okay, unless there are objections, I'm playing a Neutral Good Bard/Soulknife. That's pretty much exactly what I want. I can roleplay as a bard, but have a fairly simple HD10 class to keep me alive and give me a few more tricks in combat.
Sounds good? I'm willing to reconsider if anyone is like "do NOT do that," but it seems like a good choice for me and for the party.
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
Modern
WWWHatebearsWWW
Oh, forgot to mention, but you can ask to break alignment restrictions for classes, but it isn't automatic. For example, I allow chaotic monks and lawful bards, Paladins can be within one alignment step of their normal limit (with the variants allowed)
If anyone does play the LG-stupid archetype (or stupid of any alignment) they should expect discipline. Attempting to steal from party members usually allows the laws of random chance (and less-random chance) to kick you in the butt. Just sayin'
Shinen: caster/blaster mage
Nevinrryal Ascendant: fire gnome
Promatim: Neutral good bard/soulknife
I can take up a healer's roll. From my understanding of Gestalt, you pick two core classes, or a core class and a prestige class?
(Siggy adapted, DarkHunter1357 (deviantART))
How many people are in the campaign? 5?
(Siggy adapted, DarkHunter1357 (deviantART))
Ah. It's nice to see that we see eye-to-eye on LG. Probably because we both read OOTS.
I was (past tense) thinking about doing a lawful good bard/knight and asking you if that was okay, but I'm actually quite happy with the way my bard/soulknife is looking.
I believe we have 4 people not counting the DM. A healer would be quite nice, or a tank. Feel free to play what you want.
In that case, Cleric/Paladin or Cleric/Monk seem to be the best choices, with the latter sounding like alot of fun.
(Siggy adapted, DarkHunter1357 (deviantART))
Actually, a question-if I combine a dual progression casting class with a class that has *no* caster progression for its levels, can I use it? I mainly want ultimate magus for the metamagic abilities, not to cheat stack my caster levels entirely unfairly.
UUUJin-Gitaxias, Core AugurUUU
Modern
WWWHatebearsWWW
5, one can't be super-active.
When I get to my books, I'll check. It's possible that I could make it a single-class progression class with the modifications to abilities and requirements.