We will start at level 20 gestalt. Standard wealth for that level.
Your character needs to have a backstory along with allies, family, friends, contacts, stuff like that. Childhood, upbringing, training, and notable moments are good. And you also need a single event that would be considered "legendary". This is a low-level world, and you guys are some of the most powerful beings in it. You've had to do something that people are still talking about.
We'll be using AoK's HP system. Full HP for odd levels, half HP for even, adding Con as usual.
Sorcerer's get Eschew Materials as a bonus feat at 1st level, and bonus feats exactly like a Wizard.
Sorcerers can take Draconic feats in place of the normal bonus Wizard feats.
Wizards, and only Wizards, can take Spell Focus, Improved Spell Focus, Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration, and Augment Summoning as bonus feats in addition to their normal bonus feats.
Vorpal will not decapitate enemies on a natural 20, but will instead double your critical hit damage. So if a weapon would do x3 on a critical, a vorpal version of that weapon would do x6. And the enchantment price equivilant is reduced to +3 instead of +5.
No non-standard races, and if you want a race with LA, the maximum is +2. NO MONSTER CLASSES.
No custom items. Don't even ask. I'll say no, and tell you to read the rules more carefully next time. By custom items, I mean items with unique abilities or items that can't be created by using the standard item-creation rules.
No Legacy items or aritfacts. See above.
No items with a non-enhancement bonus to an ability score. See above.
I'm gonna be pretty strict about classes. I don't want anyone to break the game, so if your character looks ridiculous, I'll deny it. Nothing personal.
I'm the DM. I reserve the right to mod-kill characters, god-mod characters, or do anything else to your characters that I see fit. Which brings me to another point: I'm the DM. Please don't argue with me about something that doesn't make sense to you. I know what I'm doing. Trust me.
That said, I'm only human, and as a human, I make mistakes. If you see something that looks like a mistake on my part, feel free to point it out. If it is a mistake, I'll correct it. If it's something deliberate, I'll let you know with a cryptic remark.
I'd prefer only people who have D&D experience. This won't be a beginner's game.
I'm a pretty brutal DM. I won't pull my punches. Your enemies want you D-E-A-D dead. They will do anything in their power to make it happen. If that means throwing an entire army at you, then that's exactly what they'll do.
32-point Mamelon Point Buy system for ability scores.
I'm looking for five players.
Confirmed Players-
1) Yukora
Leadership is not allowed. Too much trouble/game breakery.
I'll probably edit this post with updates as I think of them, so check back here often. I'll also post again with a brief intro and small background.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
I'm thinking of a rogue-ish-gish that might or might not contain Swordsage.
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Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Ok then in order to be sure Sceluk's idea can be used i have to ask something then: If Progression A picks a PrC that increases Spellcasting (Either Divine and/or Arcane) but Progression A does not have any such spellcasting class can i then select a class in Progression B?
or to make it clearer, Eldritch Theurge increases both Warlock and another Arcane Spellcasting Class, but in sceluks case theres no other Arcane Class in Progression A, can he then pick the sorcerer from Progression B as the beneficiary of the Theurge ability? if no then are we to assume he wastes the spellcasting increase?
Oh and im almost done the benefits of having things planed out with Yukora
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I assumed I could choose a class from any side of the progression to benefit from the spellcasting increase, that's why I did three seperate spellcasting classes.
If it's not allowed, well I'll just have to rebuild (everything)
Thanks for pointing that out Sep.
You may want to hold off on approval for that.
Just from the conversations I had to convince Caex to let me play an UM, I had to have the dual-progression class work out as if it was only one one side of the progression.
Basically, I don't think you can just cherry-pick caster levels like that, otherwise you can essentially have full spellcasting in three classes, which is ridiculous. Gestalt's bad enough with two classes, you're essentially trying to get three.
Now, on a personal note, we're only going to get five guys, and so far, we're looking at three full casters and a gish. That's either overkill, or it's just asking for us to spend half a campaign in an AMF.
Also, this may sound petty, but I kind of want to be the only ultimate magus. When I convinced Caex to make this campaign, I got rolling with my character's backstory, and I'm about 3/4 of the way there. The entire shtick I've been using is that he's the first person to discover a way to not only combine spontaneous and prepared arcane casting, but also have them feed off of one another.
That would kind of looks ridiculous and empty if there's not only another UM in the party, but it's also got a higher CL than him.
I think I'll move to heavier melee, although one that still doesn't love AMF's.
My plan includes creating a golem, awakening it and Mind Switch (True)-ing it to get a cool shiny body so I can live forever. (Without lichdom.)
I'll probably be one or two levels down in experience because of the crafting costs and stuff, but it's so gonna be worth it.
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Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Amadi we all know thats idiotically cheese and you are honestly gonna ruin all the fun, you can just as well pick a Warforged and get the immortal thingy going on and not be the 15 layers of stupid we all know you are trying to weasel out of this.
So do this game a favor and think within reason ok?
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Call me old fashioned, but an evil ascension to power just isn't the same without someone chanting faux Latin in the background.
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That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
My plan includes creating a golem, awakening it and Mind Switch (True)-ing it to get a cool shiny body so I can live forever. (Without lichdom.)
I'll probably be one or two levels down in experience because of the crafting costs and stuff, but it's so gonna be worth it.
Over my broken, burned, and impaled DM corpse.
Seriously though. No. Just because it's possible, doesn't mean I'm gonna stand by and let you do it. I already said I'm going to be strict about classes. Consider it expanded to stupid stuff like this as well.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
Ok then now that the retroactive thing has been answered i will spend my gold and finish the crunch after which i can start the bio, so i should be done by sunday at worst.
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Oreo, Glazing people better than Dunkin' Donuts since 2009
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
Meh, damn. I just take another rocket-tag player, then, as anything that can survive a wizard's blast to the face is probably banned, I might as well throw those blasts myself.
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Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
I'd like to join, but I'm the sixth person to express interest, so I'll understand if I can't.
(Also, you guys look like you could benefit from having a player who doesn't even like playing casters ;).)
This may come off as rude, but are you certain you're going to be able to devote time on a long-term basis for this campaign? I really don't want to run into long lulls and lost interest because people stopped posting.
I just got another idea that is not a pure caster and is just evil enough.
I can hint that it includes using Antimagic Field quite a bit.
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creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Seconded.
And I really hope this won't die, cause every campaign I get in seems to go flop.
Edit: And can we sneak attack with spells? or SLA's?
If you have a spell that can be considered a ranged attack or a Ranged Touch Attack such as Eldritch Blast or one of the multitude of ray spells and you are within 30ft of the target and said target also has all the requirements for Sneak Attack then yes you are perfectly capable of Sneak Attacking with Spells or SLA's
This may come off as rude, but are you certain you're going to be able to devote time on a long-term basis for this campaign? I really don't want to run into long lulls and lost interest because people stopped posting.
No offense taken, that is another thing I was thinking of, I just forgot to write it in my post. I'm not certain I'd be able to get back into habitual posting again right away.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
Dude either you post your build or quit being a tease because honestly every time you do i feel like cringing.
That's half the fun, Sepiriel.
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producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
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Amadi, as long as you don't AMF us 'by mistake', I'd be happy.
What about AMF'ing us on intention?
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creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
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As long as you explain about it afterwards (and as long as it doesn't kill us...) I'm happy.
What about MDJ, then?
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Trust me, it will go much more smoothly if you give a basic outline of your proposed build here. Because I've already said any player who makes a broken-looking build (which is entirely based on my subjective opinion), I'll deny it.
This is my first gestalt game, and I want it to be fun AKA not broken.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
im actually done just need to finish the BIO which i will do once i catch Yukora online, do feel free to check it over at my notes thread, ill post a formal link once the BIO is done, fun fact about my character his milestone achievement involves him saving the Lord of the land from an assasin although everyone thinks it was his crime fighting alter ego thanks to a few crafty illusions, that event is also the worst event of his career because everyone got his name wrong and they made the jester (aka him) taste all dishes for poison which led to severe food poisoning the day after
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Call me old fashioned, but an evil ascension to power just isn't the same without someone chanting faux Latin in the background.
Oreo, Glazing people better than Dunkin' Donuts since 2009
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange eons even death may die.
The Sage is occupied with the unspoken
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Its basically down to you, yes not getting 9th level spells hurts and can be somewhat dangerous in epic but its not a requirement for it either, so as long as its something you want to do nothing wrong with that.
Ranger isn't bad for the other progression, since a few of the the bow feats and favored enemy apply to EB (not many just a few), that being said theres no need to go all the way with ranger, level 12 is the most you truly need, then you can start with some other class or a Ranger PrC or something, something that adds to the ranged damage perhaps? things to consider Rogue 15/Scout 3/ Something 2 take the feat that allows rogue levels to stack with Scout for skirmish and you have a rather powerful EB since Skirmish and Sneak Attack can be applied to EB.
I am slightly worried about the lack of healing (because honestly even if Amadi does the healing he will be so cheesed up either the healing is rendered irrelevant or we dont get healed because he finds the healing irrelevant), Caex if we need a healer but you dont want to go through the process of making an NPC let me know and ill make a secondary sheet.
The Sage is occupied with the unspoken
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Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
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We will start at level 20 gestalt. Standard wealth for that level.
Your character needs to have a backstory along with allies, family, friends, contacts, stuff like that. Childhood, upbringing, training, and notable moments are good. And you also need a single event that would be considered "legendary". This is a low-level world, and you guys are some of the most powerful beings in it. You've had to do something that people are still talking about.
We'll be using AoK's HP system. Full HP for odd levels, half HP for even, adding Con as usual.
Sorcerer's get Eschew Materials as a bonus feat at 1st level, and bonus feats exactly like a Wizard.
Sorcerers can take Draconic feats in place of the normal bonus Wizard feats.
Wizards, and only Wizards, can take Spell Focus, Improved Spell Focus, Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration, and Augment Summoning as bonus feats in addition to their normal bonus feats.
Vorpal will not decapitate enemies on a natural 20, but will instead double your critical hit damage. So if a weapon would do x3 on a critical, a vorpal version of that weapon would do x6. And the enchantment price equivilant is reduced to +3 instead of +5.
No non-standard races, and if you want a race with LA, the maximum is +2. NO MONSTER CLASSES.
No custom items. Don't even ask. I'll say no, and tell you to read the rules more carefully next time. By custom items, I mean items with unique abilities or items that can't be created by using the standard item-creation rules.
No Legacy items or aritfacts. See above.
No items with a non-enhancement bonus to an ability score. See above.
I'm gonna be pretty strict about classes. I don't want anyone to break the game, so if your character looks ridiculous, I'll deny it. Nothing personal.
I'm the DM. I reserve the right to mod-kill characters, god-mod characters, or do anything else to your characters that I see fit. Which brings me to another point: I'm the DM. Please don't argue with me about something that doesn't make sense to you. I know what I'm doing. Trust me.
That said, I'm only human, and as a human, I make mistakes. If you see something that looks like a mistake on my part, feel free to point it out. If it is a mistake, I'll correct it. If it's something deliberate, I'll let you know with a cryptic remark.
I'd prefer only people who have D&D experience. This won't be a beginner's game.
I'm a pretty brutal DM. I won't pull my punches. Your enemies want you D-E-A-D dead. They will do anything in their power to make it happen. If that means throwing an entire army at you, then that's exactly what they'll do.
32-point Mamelon Point Buy system for ability scores.
I'm looking for five players.
Confirmed Players-
1) Yukora
Leadership is not allowed. Too much trouble/game breakery.
I'll probably edit this post with updates as I think of them, so check back here often. I'll also post again with a brief intro and small background.
{Magic: The RPG}
The X will be some combination of the Paragnostic Apostle, Loremaster, and Archmage prestige classes.
I'm thinking of a rogue-ish-gish that might or might not contain Swordsage.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Will be playing a Chaos Gnome Illusionist 5/Master Specialist 10/ Nightmare Spinner 4//Bard 6/Lyrical Thaumaturge 10/ Seeker of the Song 3.
(unless you are ok with me dispossing the SLA's for a reduction in LA in which case it would be full spinner and Seeker to level 4)
Edit:
Question, are we gonna do retroactive Skill Points for permanent Int Increases or not?
Also in case someone who is not aware joins standard 20th level wealth is 760.000 gp
or to make it clearer, Eldritch Theurge increases both Warlock and another Arcane Spellcasting Class, but in sceluks case theres no other Arcane Class in Progression A, can he then pick the sorcerer from Progression B as the beneficiary of the Theurge ability? if no then are we to assume he wastes the spellcasting increase?
Oh and im almost done the benefits of having things planed out with Yukora
worst case scenario you would have to dip a level into something else like bard or wu-jen on the Warlock side.
yeah that rule is the basis for my question.
You may want to hold off on approval for that.
Just from the conversations I had to convince Caex to let me play an UM, I had to have the dual-progression class work out as if it was only one one side of the progression.
Basically, I don't think you can just cherry-pick caster levels like that, otherwise you can essentially have full spellcasting in three classes, which is ridiculous. Gestalt's bad enough with two classes, you're essentially trying to get three.
Now, on a personal note, we're only going to get five guys, and so far, we're looking at three full casters and a gish. That's either overkill, or it's just asking for us to spend half a campaign in an AMF.
Also, this may sound petty, but I kind of want to be the only ultimate magus. When I convinced Caex to make this campaign, I got rolling with my character's backstory, and I'm about 3/4 of the way there. The entire shtick I've been using is that he's the first person to discover a way to not only combine spontaneous and prepared arcane casting, but also have them feed off of one another.
That would kind of looks ridiculous and empty if there's not only another UM in the party, but it's also got a higher CL than him.
My plan includes creating a golem, awakening it and Mind Switch (True)-ing it to get a cool shiny body so I can live forever. (Without lichdom.)
I'll probably be one or two levels down in experience because of the crafting costs and stuff, but it's so gonna be worth it.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
So do this game a favor and think within reason ok?
Yes.
Over my broken, burned, and impaled DM corpse.
Seriously though. No. Just because it's possible, doesn't mean I'm gonna stand by and let you do it. I already said I'm going to be strict about classes. Consider it expanded to stupid stuff like this as well.
No LA buyoff, becuase I hate it with an unholy passion.
You can't craft any of your starting items/spells or anything. You'll be given ample time and/or bonus exp to craft.
Also: NO FLAWS.
In fact, nothing from Unearthed Arcana unless given express permission.
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(Also, you guys look like you could benefit from having a player who doesn't even like playing casters ;).)
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
This may come off as rude, but are you certain you're going to be able to devote time on a long-term basis for this campaign? I really don't want to run into long lulls and lost interest because people stopped posting.
I can hint that it includes using Antimagic Field quite a bit.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
If you have a spell that can be considered a ranged attack or a Ranged Touch Attack such as Eldritch Blast or one of the multitude of ray spells and you are within 30ft of the target and said target also has all the requirements for Sneak Attack then yes you are perfectly capable of Sneak Attacking with Spells or SLA's
Dude either you post your build or quit being a tease because honestly every time you do i feel like cringing.
No offense taken, that is another thing I was thinking of, I just forgot to write it in my post. I'm not certain I'd be able to get back into habitual posting again right away.
That's half the fun, Sepiriel.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
What about AMF'ing us on intention?
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
What about MDJ, then?
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Up until it gets denied for being cheesy?
Trust me, it will go much more smoothly if you give a basic outline of your proposed build here. Because I've already said any player who makes a broken-looking build (which is entirely based on my subjective opinion), I'll deny it.
This is my first gestalt game, and I want it to be fun AKA not broken.
No fractal BAB/Saves. Just take the best BAB/Saves from your two progression sides and use them.
Then you get to meet an NPC named Nicholas. And then you'll all die.
{Magic: The RPG}
It's allright.
I just persist AMF instead, and if they happen to walk into it it's their problem.
Since you wanted the build..
Classes1: Cleric 11 / Contemplative 2 / Hierophant 3 / Cleric 4
Classes2: Swordsage 20
With a bit of VoP thrown in.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.
Ranger isn't bad for the other progression, since a few of the the bow feats and favored enemy apply to EB (not many just a few), that being said theres no need to go all the way with ranger, level 12 is the most you truly need, then you can start with some other class or a Ranger PrC or something, something that adds to the ranged damage perhaps? things to consider Rogue 15/Scout 3/ Something 2 take the feat that allows rogue levels to stack with Scout for skirmish and you have a rather powerful EB since Skirmish and Sneak Attack can be applied to EB.
I am slightly worried about the lack of healing (because honestly even if Amadi does the healing he will be so cheesed up either the healing is rendered irrelevant or we dont get healed because he finds the healing irrelevant), Caex if we need a healer but you dont want to go through the process of making an NPC let me know and ill make a secondary sheet.
and acts without effort.
Teaching without verbosity,
producing without possessing,
creating without regard to result,
claiming nothing,
the Sage has nothing to lose.