Grand Prix Paris, to be held on February 15th-16th, will be capped at 2,000 players. Players are advised to register online here. If you're going to Paris, do so in good time - you don't want to show up to an event that is already full!
Grand Prix Paris, to be held on February 15th-16th, will be capped at 2,000 players. Players are advised to register online here. If you're going to Paris, do so in good time - you don't want to show up to an event that is already full!
It seems recently the European GPs are having strange restrictions. Japan and America seem plenty able to pull off 2,000 + GPs, why turn away customers?
This isn't regulation, it is about tournament location being of a certain size.
The last one was well over 2,000. Are you saying they can't find a building to accomodate the extra people. Why can everybody else solve that problem so easily?
The last one was well over 2,000. Are you saying they can't find a building to accomodate the extra people. Why can everybody else solve that problem so easily?
It may have nothing to do with "can't". They probably booked and paid for the venue without checking the population cap first. It is also possible that the venue had a higher cap, but local laws changed and upon inspection the cap was lowered (unlikely, but you never know).
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It may have nothing to do with "can't". They probably booked and paid for the venue without checking the population cap first. It is also possible that the venue had a higher cap, but local laws changed and upon inspection the cap was lowered (unlikely, but you never know).
I agree with this, but 2000 is too low for a GP cap, especially when the last one had over 2000. They should have been looking for a venue with a higher capacity from the beginning.
I played in that event, and the venue was terrible. It was essentially an underground car park, with the ceiling being about 2.50 meters above the ground. I was at the Paris GP before that too, in Disneyland, and the issue there was the location - it's not super easy to get to, and it's just vastly preferable to have the event in the actual city, instead of 30-40 minutes outside. So perhaps they figured that these two venues weren't suitable, and therefore decided to go for this one instead, even though it's slightly smaller in size (presumably). In other words, fewer players, but an improved tournament experience for those players. Which sounds totally reasonable to me.
I agree with this, but 2000 is too low for a GP cap, especially when the last one had over 2000. They should have been looking for a venue with a higher capacity from the beginning.
I agree with "should have", but I feel like organizers do not always think proactively enough. Another possible reasoning behind the low cap venue might have been that they got a deal to host it there.
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I played in that event, and the venue was terrible. It was essentially an underground car park, with the ceiling being about 2.50 meters above the ground. I was at the Paris GP before that too, in Disneyland, and the issue there was the location - it's not super easy to get to, and it's just vastly preferable to have the event in the actual city, instead of 30-40 minutes outside. So perhaps they figured that these two venues weren't suitable, and therefore decided to go for this one instead, even though it's slightly smaller in size (presumably). In other words, fewer players, but an improved tournament experience for those players. Which sounds totally reasonable to me.
This is just speculation, though!
In general I've found the American and Japanese GP's to not ever run into these sort of problems. For whatever reason.
In general I've found the American and Japanese GP's to not ever run into these sort of problems. For whatever reason.
Ups and downs. The actual venue for PT Seattle '12 was okay, but the location is the actual worst I've ever experienced for any Magic event. A remote pier without any food anywhere near, the entire place looked incredibly shady, and you needed a passport just to get into the pier. When we tried to walk there, it took us about an hour even though we were less than a kilometer away and had a map - that's how tedious it was.
The location they use for PTs/Worlds in San Francisco is also not incredible.
Some venues are great (like Philly, that one was really sweet), others just aren't, and I don't think that's unique to Europe at all
My problem with these events is that you have 2000 people coming and the prize is still only $10k and 4 PT slots. (Is it still only 4 w/ an event of that size?) Who collects the rake on a tournament of that size? The TO? Wizards?
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It's a Legacy format. WotC doesn't want it to seem that Legacy is the most popular format. Before GP Vegas (Modern Master Draft), GP Madrid (Legacy) was the largest in attendance.
All jokes aside though, it could be a venue and security issue. It is Legacy, the format's decks feature the most expensive lists (arguably more expensive than Vintage). Having a set number means they won't be guessing numbers for resources needed.
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I am convinced that WotC is "dumbing" the game because of all the stupid posts they come across on MTG-related forums
All jokes aside though, it could be a venue and security issue.
It's definitely a venue issue. From the site:
Dock Pullman is a 3200 sqm room that can comfortable sit 2000 players.
So as to make that tournament enjoyable to verybody, we will cap attendance at 2000 players. Remember that it's not possible to register on Saturday morning. Register online now!
Yeah, I don't think there is any controversy here. They got the story out with plenty of time to spare. And it doesn't really matter what the actual reason was that they couldn't find a better venue. It's in their interest to maximize the number or people that show up, so the fact that they can't means there must've been a reason. The only thing that matters is that they don't just spring it on people last minute like that other GP did.
It's a Legacy format. WotC doesn't want it to seem that Legacy is the most popular format. Before GP Vegas (Modern Master Draft), GP Madrid (Legacy) was the largest in attendance.
All jokes aside though, it could be a venue and security issue. It is Legacy, the format's decks feature the most expensive lists (arguably more expensive than Vintage). Having a set number means they won't be guessing numbers for resources needed.
I've said that the logistics of organizing large events was a harder "cap" to Legacy growth than the actual supply of staples. Looks like this is the case.
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Speaking from some experience in the US, downtown convention space in a city such as New York or Chicago is more expensive than convention space outside the city. New York City is especially absurd in this regard. I assume Paris is similar. The ability to accommodate all comers, comes at a cost. It doesn't make sense to book all the space you could possibly want (which might be cost prohibitive even if you came close to meeting your high end expectation for attendance).
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I wouldn't be surprised if they reached the cap or came close.
Since it is a Legacy event, and decks can range from $250 (Burn/Dredge) to $10,000+ (super pimped 3 color decks) I hope they have adequate security in place for this. Even if the average deck value is $1,000, that would be $2,000,000 worth of MTG cards if 2,000 players should up...which seems conservative, and that doesn't include trade binders and EDH decks that people will bring.
For the record, the previous GP Paris had 2,182 players.
It seems recently the European GPs are having strange restrictions. Japan and America seem plenty able to pull off 2,000 + GPs, why turn away customers?
The last one was well over 2,000. Are you saying they can't find a building to accomodate the extra people. Why can everybody else solve that problem so easily?
It may have nothing to do with "can't". They probably booked and paid for the venue without checking the population cap first. It is also possible that the venue had a higher cap, but local laws changed and upon inspection the cap was lowered (unlikely, but you never know).
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I will always firmly stand by the belief that Magic is a game first and a collectable second.
I agree with this, but 2000 is too low for a GP cap, especially when the last one had over 2000. They should have been looking for a venue with a higher capacity from the beginning.
I played in that event, and the venue was terrible. It was essentially an underground car park, with the ceiling being about 2.50 meters above the ground. I was at the Paris GP before that too, in Disneyland, and the issue there was the location - it's not super easy to get to, and it's just vastly preferable to have the event in the actual city, instead of 30-40 minutes outside. So perhaps they figured that these two venues weren't suitable, and therefore decided to go for this one instead, even though it's slightly smaller in size (presumably). In other words, fewer players, but an improved tournament experience for those players. Which sounds totally reasonable to me.
This is just speculation, though!
I agree with "should have", but I feel like organizers do not always think proactively enough. Another possible reasoning behind the low cap venue might have been that they got a deal to host it there.
― Anthony Bourdain, Kitchen Confidential
I will always firmly stand by the belief that Magic is a game first and a collectable second.
In general I've found the American and Japanese GP's to not ever run into these sort of problems. For whatever reason.
Ups and downs. The actual venue for PT Seattle '12 was okay, but the location is the actual worst I've ever experienced for any Magic event. A remote pier without any food anywhere near, the entire place looked incredibly shady, and you needed a passport just to get into the pier. When we tried to walk there, it took us about an hour even though we were less than a kilometer away and had a map - that's how tedious it was.
The location they use for PTs/Worlds in San Francisco is also not incredible.
Some venues are great (like Philly, that one was really sweet), others just aren't, and I don't think that's unique to Europe at all
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/263e
http://www.wizards.com/magic/TCG/Events.aspx?x=mtgcom/protour/howtoqualify
All jokes aside though, it could be a venue and security issue. It is Legacy, the format's decks feature the most expensive lists (arguably more expensive than Vintage). Having a set number means they won't be guessing numbers for resources needed.
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It's definitely a venue issue. From the site:
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Thanks for digging that information up. I can respect this better now that I know the reasoning behind it.
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To be fair
I've said that the logistics of organizing large events was a harder "cap" to Legacy growth than the actual supply of staples. Looks like this is the case.
Legacy
UWR Miracles UWR
GWB Maverick GWB
GB Elves GB
UBR ANT UBR
RG Combo Lands RG
Vintage
BUG BUG Fish BUG
Modern
GBW
Junk PodMagic: the BuylistingSince it is a Legacy event, and decks can range from $250 (Burn/Dredge) to $10,000+ (super pimped 3 color decks) I hope they have adequate security in place for this. Even if the average deck value is $1,000, that would be $2,000,000 worth of MTG cards if 2,000 players should up...which seems conservative, and that doesn't include trade binders and EDH decks that people will bring.
WBG Karador GBW
R Daretti R
RG Omnath GR
WRG Modern Burn GRW
WB Modern Tokens BW
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