this is the biggest lie you could call your self. It is no different then "pro poker players". You would have to go to hundreds of tournaments in a year and hope that you win at least one to cover your expenses. It is not a viable career choice.
Let us do a little run down shall we.
People who play magic professionally have other sources of income. E.G. Writing, sponsorship, videos, etc.
There is a large stipend for platinum level pros to attend events. They are already making money by going to each pro tour.
Back when there was elo rating, players got 3 byes at 2050 rating, but there were many that were above this threshold. Now if the average elo at a grand prix is 1750, then a player at a rating of 2050-2200 can expect a win rate of 85-93%. So it is not as unlikely to win as you make it out to be. This is why you constantly see the same pros top 8 and top 16 pro tours and grand prix.
Thirdly, about being a pro poker player, many poker players, professional and semi-professional, make their income online. The more games you play, the less impact variance has on your overall income. You are able to play at high stakes with very minimal rake (none if you are sponsored by the site to play there) so you can make lots of money of a 2-5% edge. You do have to get lucky to win a live event, but the prize money is not the only reason why pros attend the WSOP, Aussie Millions, WPT, etc. If you'll notice, they advertise their sponsor on their shirts and get **** ton of money for it, especially if they sit at featured tables.
Sorry for the wall of text. Your comment was so absurd it needed to be addressed.
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Thirdly, about being a pro poker player, many poker players, professional and semi-professional, make their income online. The more games you play, the less impact variance has on your overall income. You are able to play at high stakes with very minimal rake (none if you are sponsored by the site to play there) so you can make lots of money of a 2-5% edge. You do have to get lucky to win a live event, but the prize money is not the only reason why pros attend the WSOP, Aussie Millions, WPT, etc. If you'll notice, they advertise their sponsor on their shirts and get **** ton of money for it, especially if they sit at featured tables.
Is this still true? I thought the US had shot down most of the online poker sites.
Is this still true? I thought the US had shot down most of the online poker sites.
No, the DOJ shut down Pokerstars, Full Tilt, Party Poker, and maybe a few others. There are many to play on in the US, but none have as much traffic as PS/FT used to. However, a lot of poker players have moved to tax haven countries or Canada to play online.
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1. Have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
2. Stubbornly argue for at least 1 page of posts.
3. Regurgitate things you read on Starcitygames or Channelfireball.
4. Hate all netdeckers
5. Claim your 2nd place FNM deck broke the format and Delver is not even that good.
6. Tell everybody that MBC is coming back every time a new black card is released.
Seriously higher_zero, three byes are ONLY 72 points!
One bye is possible to get even without attending to GP, so I'll skip this level.
So points for byes at GP is only 10% of what you need to get two byes for another GP. If you want "chaining" 3 byes into 3 byes every tournament, those byes will get you only 5% of what you need.
You still need to win like at least 5 more games to get reasonable amount of PWP if you want to get to 750 or 1500 PWP.
8 * 3 * 8 = 192 points, 250 points with participation points. You still need to earn 500 point throught the season to get 2 byes next season. That means you have to either go to other GPs (and have 3 byes or do very well) or play all PTQs, GPTs and FNMs available (and do well at them). And it's still only 2 byes, so you are not chaining 3-into-3-into-3.
If I played at GPT and won it, I want to be rewarded. If I regularly play in GPT, PTQs, FNMs and attend to GP or two I want to be rewarded. Not giving PWP for byes is dumbest idea I have ever heard.
Your idea is like this: "Hey, I give you a warm coat for winter so you don't have to buy one yourself. But you can wear it only if you are travelling by foot, not by car."
What kind of reward is this coat?
I feel like I should offer a perspective from someone that previously had no clue what this whole "bye" nonsense was about.
I went to my first GP in San Antonio a few weeks ago with no byes and day 2'd, and suddenly I'm interested in the number of planeswalker points that I have. I went 10-6 overall, and I think I ended up getting like 270 points off just the one event. That, and all the FNMs I go to, got me to 450 points in the 5 months since I got back into the game.
So I guess the point I'm making is that it doesn't take much to get to the first bye. It takes a little more to get the the 2nd and 3rd and I imagine if you go to more than one non-FNM you'll get there. Obviously you can't do stuff like x-9 Day 1 of a GP, you actually have to win a few rounds.
But I'm on the side of people saying that you should get points for byes. It rewards "pro" players. It was a smart idea to cap byes at 3, and make it so that things reset from season to season. They've set it up so that if you play the game and do well in tournaments, you are going to be set. Nothing wrong with that... the people that are going to be getting 3 byes every season are probably people that play a lot of major events and do well in a few of them. And those people deserve it over "scrubs" like me that just went there for their first GP.
Certainly it isn't easy, but basically to get 450 just going to a bunch of FNMs and then Day 2-ing just one GP. That's what I mean by it doesn't take much. I'm not saying that anyone can Day 2 major events, but if you are a pro-player that travels to a lot of these tournaments, you are going to be able to do it easily. I'm on your side in that Byes should give you points.
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Let us do a little run down shall we.
People who play magic professionally have other sources of income. E.G. Writing, sponsorship, videos, etc.
There is a large stipend for platinum level pros to attend events. They are already making money by going to each pro tour.
Back when there was elo rating, players got 3 byes at 2050 rating, but there were many that were above this threshold. Now if the average elo at a grand prix is 1750, then a player at a rating of 2050-2200 can expect a win rate of 85-93%. So it is not as unlikely to win as you make it out to be. This is why you constantly see the same pros top 8 and top 16 pro tours and grand prix.
Thirdly, about being a pro poker player, many poker players, professional and semi-professional, make their income online. The more games you play, the less impact variance has on your overall income. You are able to play at high stakes with very minimal rake (none if you are sponsored by the site to play there) so you can make lots of money of a 2-5% edge. You do have to get lucky to win a live event, but the prize money is not the only reason why pros attend the WSOP, Aussie Millions, WPT, etc. If you'll notice, they advertise their sponsor on their shirts and get **** ton of money for it, especially if they sit at featured tables.
Sorry for the wall of text. Your comment was so absurd it needed to be addressed.
1. Have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
2. Stubbornly argue for at least 1 page of posts.
3. Regurgitate things you read on Starcitygames or Channelfireball.
4. Hate all netdeckers
5. Claim your 2nd place FNM deck broke the format and Delver is not even that good.
6. Tell everybody that MBC is coming back every time a new black card is released.
Is this still true? I thought the US had shot down most of the online poker sites.
No, the DOJ shut down Pokerstars, Full Tilt, Party Poker, and maybe a few others. There are many to play on in the US, but none have as much traffic as PS/FT used to. However, a lot of poker players have moved to tax haven countries or Canada to play online.
1. Have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
2. Stubbornly argue for at least 1 page of posts.
3. Regurgitate things you read on Starcitygames or Channelfireball.
4. Hate all netdeckers
5. Claim your 2nd place FNM deck broke the format and Delver is not even that good.
6. Tell everybody that MBC is coming back every time a new black card is released.
I feel like I should offer a perspective from someone that previously had no clue what this whole "bye" nonsense was about.
I went to my first GP in San Antonio a few weeks ago with no byes and day 2'd, and suddenly I'm interested in the number of planeswalker points that I have. I went 10-6 overall, and I think I ended up getting like 270 points off just the one event. That, and all the FNMs I go to, got me to 450 points in the 5 months since I got back into the game.
So I guess the point I'm making is that it doesn't take much to get to the first bye. It takes a little more to get the the 2nd and 3rd and I imagine if you go to more than one non-FNM you'll get there. Obviously you can't do stuff like x-9 Day 1 of a GP, you actually have to win a few rounds.
But I'm on the side of people saying that you should get points for byes. It rewards "pro" players. It was a smart idea to cap byes at 3, and make it so that things reset from season to season. They've set it up so that if you play the game and do well in tournaments, you are going to be set. Nothing wrong with that... the people that are going to be getting 3 byes every season are probably people that play a lot of major events and do well in a few of them. And those people deserve it over "scrubs" like me that just went there for their first GP.