W/e dude you would do it to. YOUR NOT SWINDLING IF YOU BOTH THINK IT IS FAIR. How is it unfair gain when your both happy.
No, and I have had the opportunity, as most have, to do such things. He wasn't aware of the cards value. People get hyped up all the time over a card they need to finish a deck. That doesn't in and of itself denote that the card is a couple hundred dollars more valuable. Most of the time the difference in value is negligible and both parties are aware of the few dollars difference between say the $8-10 birds and the $4-5 Path. Then commonly they will either agree to be owed cards of the difference in value, or take a few dollars loss to finish the trade. The fairness lies in the awareness of all the information by both parties. This guy probably assumed that it was a hard to come by card or that Taylor needed it to finish a blue control deck of some sort, but probably wasn't aware that it was worth quite that much.
I agree with what you're saying Goku, but I guess I am more of an opportunist. I believe that if the person was old enough to buy his own cards with his own money, and was of seemingly sound mind, I wouldn't argue with them when they told me what they wanted for the card. I still think it is the responsibility of the owner to set a price for their stuff. If you sell your $20,000 car for $10,000, don't blame the guy who bought it, blame yourself. I can't say I was there and of course did not see anything misleading that happened in the trade, but I would be 100% guilt free if I ask someone what they want for something, and they tell me without hesitation what they want.
Story at one pre-release:
"at my game store a 12 year old kid siting next to me in a draft passed a ancestrial recal i gave it back to the kid and told the store owner what hapened. then everyone in the store was trying to take it from him. me and like 3 other people had to keep everyone back well the dad came to pick up the card, because everyone was trying to take it,"
Good for them, it's people like that who keep the community alive. Lately in our community, there has been a couple of people who've been taking advantage, preying off of some newer players.
Props to you man, people like you are what the magic community needs
Summary of Treasures found to date from MTG Salvation:
Canada:
Mana Drain opened in Edmonton
Autographed Savannah (Revised) opened in Edmonton
signed, white-bordered Scrubland in Edmonton
Unlimited, signed Timetwister in Montreal
USA:
Force of Will in Asheville, NC
Threre was a Sinkhole pulled and a Cyclopean Tomb both at the same Store in Greenwood, IN
UNL sinkhole pulled in sealed deck in huntsville, Alabama
black lotus opened in Corvallis, OR there was also a badlands...there were only 28 players...WTF!!
Tolarian Academy and a Tundra pulled in Idaho
SW VA, had a revised Savannah
103 person prerelease in Lincoln, one Savanah and a signed Savanah
Burnsville, MN a Mana Crypt and Badlands opened
In Texas Old Man of the Sea opened
Beta Swords to Plowshares in Albuquerque NM
Black lotus at the Great Escape in the rivergate area of Nashville
Tropical Island opened in East Lansing Michigan
Alpha Swords To Plowshares In Columbus
Mox Sapphire opened in Richmond, VA
Mana Crypt and Badlands opened in Minnesota
unlimited Mox Sapphire in Frackville, PA
Time Walk and Mox Pearl opened at Pre-release philly
Badlands opened in Bristol PA
Force of Will opened in Jacksonville, FL
Other:
unlimited Tundra in mexico with 63 players
In Spain 1 The Abyss, 1 Force of Will and 1 Grindstone
In Ghent, Belgium: 50-55 players, one Tolarian Academy opened
Roma, Italia. 2 Pre-releases. 70 players, 1 drop of honey pulled
(location unknown) Illusionary Mask pulled at event were 73 people played, at which there were also 6 drafts...about 16 boxes were opened and only one treasure found.
volcanic island opened in Belgium
Story at one pre-release:
"at my game store a 12 year old kid siting next to me in a draft passed a ancestrial recal i gave it back to the kid and told the store owner what hapened. then everyone in the store was trying to take it from him. me and like 3 other people had to keep everyone back well the dad came to pick up the card, because everyone was trying to take it,"
The unlucky ones...
- Prerelease Munich + Gauting (Germany) 144 Participants - no treasure
- Toronto this weekend, 7 flights later still no treasure
- Over 800 boosters opend in Victoria British Columbia to date and still no treasure to be found...yaaaar!
Note: There were quite a few posts where people didn't say where they were from (where the card was opened) so I didn't bother inlcuding them. Please update your comment with a location and card name. It would be cool if we kept track of these.
At the prerelease in Bethesda, MD, I heard reports that someone opened a Mox Ruby and someone else opened a Scrubland. I believe it was Unlimited and Revised, didn't get to see the conditions. There were somewhere around 350-400 people at that prerelease.
Mr. Orange posted on his twitter a pic from outside of Dream Wizards (Rockville, MD - store that hosted the regional prerelease in Bethesda) of someone who had opened a Time Walk.
Question for foreign members (assuming your packs were non-English): were the priceless treasures in English or the same language as the cards?
Gnome Games in Green Bay, WI had multiple release events over the weekend, and I can report a Mox Sapphire as well as a single dual land over the weekend. This is out of about 200 players over multiple release events Saturday and Sunday!
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Unlimited (I thought it was Revised but I'm I don't know my sets but it's white bordered) Ancestral Recall ripped after my LA prerelease on Saturday night. WOOT!!
I'm opening several cases (ten cases from one vendor, two from another, bought them to cover advance orders), so I ought to see at least a few of those things.
With the 1 per 20 box approximation, I'd give 3 to 4 of these as a reasonable approximation.
An important mathematical note:
The probability is small enough (~0.0014) that even several hundred packs may not be a good sample size.
According to a common statistical principle, AFAIK, it goes like this:
The probability of failure multiplied by the sample size, as well as the probability of success multiplied by the sample size, must both be greater than or equal to 10 in order for the sample to be considered normal.
10/0.0014 = 7143 packs, or 33 cases
So we're *really* going to have to work in the aggregate here.
By comparison, the odds of a particular (nonfoil) Mythic is 1/121, or 0.0083. That requires a sample of a mere ~1200 packs
Video of opening or it didn't happen, because creating a rumor is as easy as 1-2-3!
1.Open booster pack.
2. Take out basic land.
3. Replace with old card.
I really wish this would be true, but I don't see it happening.
Also, if you notice, the candelabra is sleeved.
I'm not saying I 100% believe this, but if I pulled a Candelabra in a pack, then I'd sleeve it right away...I mean, even if I pulled a fetch-land, I'd sleeve it right away.
A mox of some sort (jet??) in Auckland and in Hamilton I saw a guy I know that plays magic at work last night and he said he pulled a beta black lotus mint condition. He's a pretty serious guy who wouldn't lie about it. He said the lotus looked so new it could have just been printed. Crazy huh
At the pre-release this Saturday in the Philadelphia Convention Center someone pulled Mox Diamond. When me and my friend were filling out our registration slips, we heard an extremely loud outburst of cheering and yelling, and few minutes later a judge walked outside to the lobby where me and my friend were to tell other judges what had happened.
As for me, I pulled a foil Sorin Markov, a regular Chandra Ablaze and rare white/red land. No "priceless treasures" for me
(On a somewhat related note I live in an apartment with very thin walls and the internet meme "Surprise buttsecks!!" isn't just on the internet anymore. Man that girl sounded pissed off.)
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I'm not saying I 100% believe this, but if I pulled a Candelabra in a pack, then I'd sleeve it right away...I mean, even if I pulled a fetch-land, I'd sleeve it right away.
30 pages of "We had treasure opened at our event!" and you don't believe it 100% still...
Anyways, We had 30 people for sealed and an 8 man draft + prize after (256 packs) with nothing. Not surprised though considering the average is 1/700. I am hoping I will get lucky when I crack my 5 boxes. I saw that some of the treasure is less than $5 even... a couple less than $1... I don't think they should have put anything worth less than $10 really, otherwise it's not really treasure and its soooo rare already anyways. Just my opinion.
we had a beta sinkhole at All-Star Comics in Nederland, Texas... it was played but in good shape. Then i can confirm the one at Skirmish since a friend of mine who was there called me when they cracked it. At our pre, we had 26 players.
No, and I have had the opportunity, as most have, to do such things. He wasn't aware of the cards value. People get hyped up all the time over a card they need to finish a deck. That doesn't in and of itself denote that the card is a couple hundred dollars more valuable. Most of the time the difference in value is negligible and both parties are aware of the few dollars difference between say the $8-10 birds and the $4-5 Path. Then commonly they will either agree to be owed cards of the difference in value, or take a few dollars loss to finish the trade. The fairness lies in the awareness of all the information by both parties. This guy probably assumed that it was a hard to come by card or that Taylor needed it to finish a blue control deck of some sort, but probably wasn't aware that it was worth quite that much.
Sinkhole in Valdosta, GA as well
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Good for them, it's people like that who keep the community alive. Lately in our community, there has been a couple of people who've been taking advantage, preying off of some newer players.
Props to you man, people like you are what the magic community needs
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Mr. Orange posted on his twitter a pic from outside of Dream Wizards (Rockville, MD - store that hosted the regional prerelease in Bethesda) of someone who had opened a Time Walk.
Question for foreign members (assuming your packs were non-English): were the priceless treasures in English or the same language as the cards?
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Stop asking, people! They're in ENGLISH!
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I really hope I'm wrong.:D But I doubt it. Why would they be in any other language? Certainly not the ones before Legends, and even then...
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With the 1 per 20 box approximation, I'd give 3 to 4 of these as a reasonable approximation.
An important mathematical note:
The probability is small enough (~0.0014) that even several hundred packs may not be a good sample size.
According to a common statistical principle, AFAIK, it goes like this:
The probability of failure multiplied by the sample size, as well as the probability of success multiplied by the sample size, must both be greater than or equal to 10 in order for the sample to be considered normal.
10/0.0014 = 7143 packs, or 33 cases
So we're *really* going to have to work in the aggregate here.
By comparison, the odds of a particular (nonfoil) Mythic is 1/121, or 0.0083. That requires a sample of a mere ~1200 packs
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Errr... you are very correct indeed. It's white bordered. So that would make it.... I look it up. Unlimited.
So an unlimited Ancestral Recall.
I'm not saying I 100% believe this, but if I pulled a Candelabra in a pack, then I'd sleeve it right away...I mean, even if I pulled a fetch-land, I'd sleeve it right away.
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A mox of some sort (jet??) in Auckland and in Hamilton I saw a guy I know that plays magic at work last night and he said he pulled a beta black lotus mint condition. He's a pretty serious guy who wouldn't lie about it. He said the lotus looked so new it could have just been printed. Crazy huh
As for me, I pulled a foil Sorin Markov, a regular Chandra Ablaze and rare white/red land. No "priceless treasures" for me
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White Bordered Tundra, factory mint
30 pages of "We had treasure opened at our event!" and you don't believe it 100% still...
Anyways, We had 30 people for sealed and an 8 man draft + prize after (256 packs) with nothing. Not surprised though considering the average is 1/700. I am hoping I will get lucky when I crack my 5 boxes. I saw that some of the treasure is less than $5 even... a couple less than $1... I don't think they should have put anything worth less than $10 really, otherwise it's not really treasure and its soooo rare already anyways. Just my opinion.